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shinkawa
post Aug 7 2017, 12:40 PM

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One fishy thing is regenerative braking feature, i swear it was mentioned on blogs and reviews when the car came out but i cant seem to find any further info from Perodua on it. Because we should not just swap other alternators or batteries with those that are designed for regenerative braking and start-stop system, it's supposed to have a specific charge/discharge profile and buck/boost converters designed to prolong the lifespan and for proper operation of this specific system. Modifying could make the system inefficient.

Wet or dry doesn't really matter, it's how the system is designed to give best performance and lifespan. No point putting a different battery if the system is not designed to ensure it's charged and maintained properly, because the discharge depth and recovery time of a different battery will not be similar to the stock one. If we do have regenerative braking, it may change the alternator 'engage' time too. Too much risk for me on uncertain and unproven technology, all for the sake of dimming lights bangwall.gif bangwall.gif Personally, I would just ignore lar, even the voltage stabilizer, not sure of it's long term effects, manatau solve the dimming but need replace that expensive battery every year. Plus this light dimming thing, it occurs in other cars from different manufacturers as well rclxub.gif So far what i know is from what i read online to understand how these stuffs works, just my personal thoughts and understanding la. If any p2 engineer lurking here, please enlighten us  biggrin.gif
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i got question, Understanding that regenerative braking are useful for eco idle and hybrid cars.
But does premium X also use that brake system?

Here's what i read at motortraders

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Another high-end technology in the Bezza is Regenerative Braking which was initially only found in hybrid cars. This system draws the energy that is normally ‘lost’ during braking and deceleration and uses it to recharge the battery and keep it fully charged. By using this approach, the alternator does not need to be used so much and as the alternator is driven by the engine, less use means less load on the engine. This helps to improve fuel efficiency as well.

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QUOTE(shinkawa @ Aug 7 2017, 12:40 PM)
i got question, Understanding that regenerative braking are useful for eco idle and hybrid cars.
But does premium X also use that brake system?

Here's what i read at motortraders
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No regenerative breaking only for Advance Model only. As quoted from pautan

In addition to Eco Idle,the 1.3 Advance gets regenerative braking. During deceleration and braking, energy is used to charge the car’s battery, which means that during acceleration and cruising, the load on the alternator and engine is reduced.

<a href='http://<link removed>/2016/07/14/driven-perodua-bezza-1-0l-1-3l/' target='_blank'>http://<link removed>/2016/07/14/driven-perod...ezza-1-0l-1-3l/</a>

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QUOTE(andrew9292 @ Aug 5 2017, 11:06 PM)
Mine too, after a month or so. It could be the fan motor. I also realise that when on the highway or high speed, the AC cools very well. In jams or low speed, not too good. This can mean that the airflow pulled by the fan is not enough at low speed. It can be by design or just poor quality and inefficient motor/design.

Nevertheless installing voltage stabilizer is just a 'plaster on a wound'. If the fan takes too much power to spool up, the fan should be replaced with a new one or a 3rd party high efficiency, high airflow fan. One other thing to look into is the alternator and the 'big 3' wiring.

One fishy thing is regenerative braking feature, i swear it was mentioned on blogs and reviews when the car came out but i cant seem to find any further info from Perodua on it. Because we should not just swap other alternators or batteries with those that are designed for regenerative braking and start-stop system, it's supposed to have a specific charge/discharge profile and buck/boost converters designed to prolong the lifespan and for proper operation of this specific system. Modifying could make the system inefficient.

Wet or dry doesn't really matter, it's how the system is designed to give best performance and lifespan. No point putting a different battery if the system is not designed to ensure it's charged and maintained properly, because the discharge depth and recovery time of a different battery will not be similar to the stock one. If we do have regenerative braking, it may change the alternator 'engage' time too. Too much risk for me on uncertain and unproven technology, all for the sake of dimming lights bangwall.gif bangwall.gif Personally, I would just ignore lar, even the voltage stabilizer, not sure of it's long term effects, manatau solve the dimming but need replace that expensive battery every year. Plus this light dimming thing, it occurs in other cars from different manufacturers as well rclxub.gif So far what i know is from what i read online to understand how these stuffs works, just my personal thoughts and understanding la. If any p2 engineer lurking here, please enlighten us  biggrin.gif
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The regenerative breaking you can view to the link below and btw the slide show for regenerative breaking like copy from Mazda I ELOOP technology. Base on what I read I think bezza use different technology which is recharge the battery instead of fitting in a high capacity capacitor like in Mazda I ELOOP.

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http://autoworld.com.my/news/2016/07/25/pe...u-need-to-know/

http://www.mazda.com/en/innovation/technology/env/i-eloop/

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what is the latest promotion on bezza now? what is the interest rate now? plan to get new bezza, thanks

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Regenerative brake technology from formula one lol.
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QUOTE(hddexpreso @ Aug 7 2017, 04:02 PM)
The regenerative breaking you can view to the link below and btw the slide show for regenerative breaking like copy from Mazda I ELOOP technology. Base on what I read I think bezza use different technology which is recharge the battery instead of fitting in a high capacity capacitor like in Mazda I ELOOP.

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http://autoworld.com.my/news/2016/07/25/pe...u-need-to-know/

http://www.mazda.com/en/innovation/technology/env/i-eloop/
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regen braking doesn't work on ordinary batteries as it will kill the battery really fast, hence only bezza advance has the regen braking with the "start stop battery".
unlike mazda i Eloop that employ high tech stuffs, bezza start stop strategy is pretty simple, a deep charge battery, with smart alternator, and a tandem drive starter ( i don't know what's this though, just know its a starter).

The regenerative braking uses engine power to pull the alternator to generate electricity to charge the battery whenever you lift off the throttle, when the battery is discharged slightly, the alternator won't engage during normal driving. Regen braking works best if you have a tractor battery like those on hybrids. it wasn't put to full use of it on normal car like bezza.

try check out year 2008 toyota passo 1NR-FE dual vvti 1.33 engine with start stop, that's the one employed on bezza albeit toyota version of engine coding. smile.gif
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QUOTE(singk @ Aug 8 2017, 03:01 PM)
regen braking doesn't work on ordinary batteries as it will kill the battery really fast, hence only bezza advance has the regen braking with the "start stop battery".
unlike mazda i Eloop that employ high tech stuffs, bezza start stop strategy is pretty simple, a deep charge battery, with smart alternator, and a tandem drive starter ( i don't know what's this though, just know its a starter).

The regenerative braking uses engine power to pull the alternator to generate electricity to charge the battery whenever you lift off the throttle, when the battery is discharged slightly, the alternator won't engage during normal driving. Regen braking works best if you have a tractor battery like those on hybrids. it wasn't put to full use of it on normal car like bezza.

try check out year 2008 toyota passo 1NR-FE dual vvti 1.33 engine with start stop, that's the one employed on bezza albeit toyota version of engine coding.  smile.gif
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good stuff! thumbsup.gif

Mazda iEloop is actually a bank of super capacitors that gets charged quickly to be used during the drive. The battery remains relatively untouched during stop/start until the capacitors are depleted.

Bezza, like you said uses a deep cycle battery. Basically it is a battery that can withstand high draw situations longer. it still functions like a regular car for most parts. Apart from the regen braking, tandem drive starter and alternator

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QUOTE(angel of deauth @ Aug 8 2017, 03:10 PM)
good stuff!  thumbsup.gif

Mazda iEloop is actually a bank of super capacitors that gets charged quickly to be used during the drive. The battery remains relatively untouched during stop/start until the capacitors are depleted.

Bezza, like you said uses a deep cycle battery. Basically it is a battery that can withstand high draw situations longer. it still functions like a regular car for most parts. Apart from the regen braking, tandem drive starter and alternator
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yea bro.... the pain point for bezza advance is the battery that cost RM500++, yet the life span is still like ordinary battery except it can last high draw situation.
If i being honest, the start stop thing is like a fancy feature, in the end you pay addtional RM300 (give or take) for the theoretical additional 1km per liter (i'm comparing bezza advance vs non advance), and bear in mind, start stop only works when certain criteria is being met, if you always on the run, the potential saving you going to get will be on the regen braking but not start stop, and for that it defeat the purpose by 50% for the regen braking. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(singk @ Aug 8 2017, 03:18 PM)
yea bro.... the pain point for bezza advance is the battery that cost RM500++, yet the life span is still like ordinary battery except it can last high draw situation.
If i being honest, the start stop thing is like a fancy feature, in the end you pay addtional RM300 (give or take) for the theoretical additional 1km per liter (i'm comparing bezza advance vs non advance), and bear in mind, start stop only works when certain criteria is being met, if you always on the run, the potential saving you going to get will be on the regen braking but not start stop, and for that it defeat the purpose by 50% for the regen braking.  laugh.gif
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my takeaway would be that, you don't waste as much fuel when you're at traffic lights. a little gimmicky, i agree.

electrification of cars (or even parts of cars) is the future, this is just a taste of what things will be like. expensive battery is just part of the cost of running this car, you get a longer lasting alternator & starter in return. for everything else it is perhaps among the better valued cars in the market.


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QUOTE(angel of deauth @ Aug 8 2017, 03:39 PM)
my takeaway would be that, you don't waste as much fuel when you're at traffic lights. a little gimmicky, i agree.

electrification of cars (or even parts of cars) is the future, this is just a taste of what things will be like. expensive battery is just part of the cost of running this car, you get a longer lasting alternator & starter in return. for everything else it is perhaps among the better valued cars in the market.
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well agreed.
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hi, i'm due for my first inspection soon. My car mileage is just slightly above 2000 km.

anything i should prepare or does anyone the cost required for first service?

i've searched perodua's website but they only show a minimum of 20k mileage service.

thanks !
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QUOTE(dreamers1016 @ Aug 9 2017, 09:27 AM)
hi, i'm due for my first inspection soon. My car mileage is just slightly above 2000 km.

anything i should prepare or does anyone the cost required for first service?

i've searched perodua's website but they only show a minimum of 20k mileage service.

thanks !
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First inspection must be done within 1k-2k something. No need prepare anything, just go service centre to check, then they will replace new engine oil which is for 20,000km interval to replace new engine oil again.
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QUOTE(jusbella @ Aug 9 2017, 09:34 AM)
First inspection must be done within 1k-2k something. No need prepare anything, just go service centre to check, then they will replace new engine oil which is for 20,000km interval to replace new engine oil again.
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??? i thought first inspection was 5k or 3 month. which ever come first.
Not sure if they change the rules. Better email or call them than wasting time go there.
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QUOTE(shinkawa @ Aug 9 2017, 09:53 AM)
??? i thought first inspection was 5k or 3 month. which ever come first.
Not sure if they change the rules. Better email or call them than wasting time go there.
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Bezza engine is different from old engine, engine oil also updated not like old day engine oil technology.
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QUOTE(jusbella @ Aug 9 2017, 09:34 AM)
First inspection must be done within 1k-2k something. No need prepare anything, just go service centre to check, then they will replace new engine oil which is for 20,000km interval to replace new engine oil again.
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The first inspection is due at 5,000km in mileage or 3 months, whichever comes first. You can refer to the service booklet for inspection and service intervals.
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QUOTE(_Zephyre_ @ Aug 9 2017, 10:00 AM)
The first inspection is due at 5,000km in mileage or 3 months, whichever comes first. You can refer to the service booklet for inspection and service intervals.
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yup. as far as i know, bezza is 5k mileage or 3 months whichever comes first. just concerned of the hidden unnecessary cost that might pop up during the first inspection. anything to be aware of? haha
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QUOTE(dreamers1016 @ Aug 9 2017, 10:25 AM)
yup. as far as i know, bezza is 5k mileage or 3 months whichever comes first. just concerned of the hidden unnecessary cost that might pop up during the first inspection. anything to be aware of? haha
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Not sure, I haven't reached 5,000 km/3 months yet. laugh.gif

My SA said the 1st inspection is free, so I wouldn't worry about needing to pay anything unless there's something that needs fixing.
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QUOTE(dreamers1016 @ Aug 9 2017, 10:25 AM)
yup. as far as i know, bezza is 5k mileage or 3 months whichever comes first. just concerned of the hidden unnecessary cost that might pop up during the first inspection. anything to be aware of? haha
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They might want to change your cabin filter in the first inspection. And some small small stuff like washer fluid and battery terminal protector. You can say no to all those things.
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post Aug 10 2017, 01:38 PM

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For advance currently the battery model is Yuasa YBX7054. Wonder if in Malaysia got sell this battery (M-42)?

http://www.yuasa.co.uk/batteries/automotiv...es/ybx7054.html


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