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Loen
post Mar 29 2017, 02:23 AM

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Cyberjaya Hospital still on track. Completion postponed to 2020.

Cyberview is hiring the Project Manager -> Project Manager for Cyberjaya Hospital


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post Apr 25 2017, 02:10 AM

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Progress of Tamarind Square.

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post May 30 2017, 02:44 AM

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post Jun 14 2017, 02:23 AM

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Some new pictures from Tamarind Square:

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post Jun 15 2017, 02:04 AM

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No signs of renovation for the retail outlets yet. I think they're taking their time. No point opening if half the place is empty.

Nevertheless, the gardens within looks better and better on every visit.

QUOTE(Soros007 @ Jun 14 2017, 06:52 AM)
Thx bro loen.
Any sign of renovation there so far?
Seen Grocer village and book store ready for action?
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post Jun 24 2017, 01:13 AM

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Another TOD in Cyberjaya in the making with even more towers.

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Source: Cyberjaya North Design by Lead 8

Masterplan: Cyberjaya North Masterplan

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post Jul 12 2017, 02:16 AM

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New interchange from ELITE to Gamuda Cove and SCV/Cyberjaya in the works.

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post Jun 23 2019, 03:12 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jun 22 2019, 03:12 PM)
When all wip towers are completed, cbj population need to more than doubled to occupy all units. The question is how long will it take?
Ans: Currently, Cyberjaya has a population of 127,000 people and the number is expected to increase to 500,000 by 2035.
If 16 years is projected to quadruple the population, 4 to 5 years is probably required to double the current population.


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post Jun 23 2019, 03:30 AM

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Jun 22 2019, 12:12 PM)
Based on the masterplan, it appears the high rises have been a collection of mistakes. The market has spoken, landed development should be priority over the high rises. This is rather bad town planning. Why would you build so many high-rises when there are plenty of land available, and so far away from the city center?

Those who bought the high rises got burned. The developers who sold them these units already got away. But now they are facing the same issues - property overhang.

Not sure if the city will recover. There is unlikely to be a critical mass of population anytime soon. I am afraid those condos will end up being so run down due to the maintenance backlog

The master plan needs to be ammended.
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A quick glance at the list below shows two things:
1) There seems to be more landed property under auction across the whole of Selangor, KL and Seremban. Financial stress affecting property owners cut across both landed and high rises and across all segments.
2) Relative to other areas across Selangor and KL, Cyberjaya seems to have lesser auctions. Granted, the list may not be comprehensive and its updated on a weekly basis.

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post Jun 24 2019, 02:51 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jun 23 2019, 03:40 AM)
Until population is more than doubled, overhang will remain and price stay suppressed.

believe population projection is derived from property development; given national population growth is slowing, mean overhang is likely to widen.
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Suppression of price is good news as it's a buyers market anyway. Speculative activities is almost non existent as pointed out by BNM.

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Anyone who is buying now are either buying to stay or opportunistic investors. Those who bought since 2011 with short term view or pure speculation would have sold or eventually have to sell or be forced to sell. The market is undergoing a correction and when the correction is completed, a new cycle will begin.

In spite of the slowing population, the city does not stay static. The migration from rural and semi rural areas to urban areas will continue. The growth in population projection would not happen if there are no pull factors and profit driven developers would not build if there are no demand (more so at the current depressed state).

The fact is development will continue to persist in Cyberjaya as the stakeholders are Government and State backed. You don't built a RM400m hospital when there is another big one just 10 mins next door. Whether demand catch up with the supply as per the Government's projection, let's wait and see.
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post Jun 24 2019, 02:58 AM

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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ Jun 23 2019, 03:48 AM)
Too wide actually coz the group consist of all type of property. As other places will have old property be it PPR or low cost flats or landed houses.

Just zoom in for newly completed property falling straight into lelong.
Jalan Ampang actually is at the top if zoom at very specific zone/area. M City and The Elements until today (3 years or more after VP), still got never ending auction units. Joining in by Arte+ and 3 towers. Newly completed.

p/s: This is a better website to do a quick search: https://www.lelongtips.com.my/search/cyberjaya/?page=1
Few landed property. Majority high rise.
Lakefront, Eclipse, Tamarind, Kenwingston all newly completed.
Cyberia, Mutiara Ville and Sawtelle Suites never ending available in lelong market.
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Thanks for clarifying. I believe the author has curated the list where it is deemed as hot. From your findings, it would be reasonable to conclude that specific high-rises sees repeat auctions probably because the development had a much bigger percentage of speculators/investors than those buying to stay. The slew of auction results that you have helpfully posted are nevertheless healthy and a good price discovery mechanism. Your contribution is much appreciated.
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post Jun 25 2019, 12:04 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jun 24 2019, 10:10 AM)
Property is illiquid; from loan approval to vp takes a few years. number of borrowers with 3 or more housing loan may have dropped in last 2 years but there are still substantial numbers within the system.

correction is complete when property overhang is reduced substantially, which is not in sight yet.

malaysia urbanization is among the highest in asia, number of potential migration from countryside is limited.

cbj has been the playground of ft minister in last administration. population growth was derived from planned number of units/development. cbj hospital will likely end up as white elephant.
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No doubt the multiple loan borrowers remains in the system. It is fortunate than BNM recognise this trend early and instituted macro-prudential measures which resulted in a relatively benign default rate as illustrated below

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We do not know whether the correction is completed as yet but we do see some evidence of a bottoming in trend

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Urbanization is what made KV what it is today and what caused the property boom. High prices in city caused and will continue to drive a migration to sub-urban areas which is now expanded as GKV. Hence, even if migration from countryside is limited, areas outside of PJ, SJ and KL will continue to grow simply because of affordability reason.

Cyberjaya is not a Federal Territory. FT ministers playground is Putrajaya not Cyberjaya.

Why would an institution that provides free and/or subsidized medical services becomes a white elephant unless the building is abandoned? If anything, there will be a clamour for B40 and M40 from surrounding areas to go to Cyberjaya Hospital (if indeed they are allowed to).
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post Jun 25 2019, 12:25 AM

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Jun 24 2019, 11:36 AM)
You forgot those who are stuck in a limbo - they are not forced to sell as they are able to pay off the installments even out-of-pocket, but at the same time they cannot sell because the MV has dropped considerably. This is apparent in Cyberjaya as since the 2011, plenty of mini-developers who bought small parcels of land from Setia Haruman are only able to "build-upwards" to maximize the value of their purchase. Unfortunately this happened all at the same time, and now the "market-correction" is punishing everyone who didn't think things through before buying the high-rises in Cyberjaya.

It is very likely that the investors failed to do the numbers, they got emotional with their purchases/investments. Someone with a sound mind would be able to thoroughly see what Cyberjaya high-rise properties would eventually be, based on the expected oversupply of all the projects that most wouldn't be able to keep up with.

Consider this: Take a look at the nearby city Puchong the number of high-rises pale compared to the number of landed units. Not many are interested in staying in high-rises unless required to do so, and if they had a choice, they would go for landed. Even Puchong that is more developed and closer to PJ and KL do not have as high ratio of high-rise:landed properties; what makes Cyberjaya think they can sell all their high-rises? The supply outstrip the demand, and now everyone is reaping what they sow.

The RM400m hospital was also built to reduce dependency on the Putrajaya Hospitals and for other cities surrounding Cyberjaya, this new hospital will cater to everyone south of Putrajaya who goes to Putrajaya Hospital to get their medical services.
So you are saying that hey have not fixed the electrical box for months on end?
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Those that are not forced to sell are either buy-to-stay owners or seasoned investors. Those that cannot sell (but really want to) and does not fall in previous categories will eventually be forced to sell if @icemanfx prediction comes true i.e. prices will remain suppressed until overhang clears. If your intention is to help these so call "emotional buyers who didn't think through" their buying decision, then it is likely more helpful for you to connect these sellers to your buyers. On the other hand, current buyers have choice pickings and time to assess and learn from the doomed buyers since 2011. @Askarperang's postings have shown that there is a price to everything and for choice properties, probably a 20% to 30% reduction is the price to pay to cut loss if the seller so wish.

Profit driven mini-developers are no different from any other profit driven capital market players. They build because there was demand. Demand may be genuine or speculative. If someone wants to get rich fast and got hook, line and sinker to all the promises of quick riches from an illiquid asset, they are no different from those who chase bitcoin, gold or speculative stock counters. Investment history has plenty to show for failed investors and history will always repeat as long as there are greedy investors. Your sound mind person is with hindsight and in any case, the stock market have proven that there are plenty of fools.

I agree with your assessment of the RM400m hospital but according to your like minded fellow forumer, it will be a white elephant.

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post Jan 15 2020, 01:00 AM

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New ECRL tracks running alongside ERL tracks in Cyberjaya.
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And integrated directly with Putrajaya Sentral Station.
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More transportation options in 6 years time.
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post Jan 16 2020, 02:08 AM

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Nope. The track will be elevated.

QUOTE(ketupatlazat @ Jan 15 2020, 05:57 AM)
This track is going underground? Cant see any spaces left on the land if they were to do it above the ground
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post Oct 19 2021, 07:45 PM

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Microsoft Data Center Region location in Malaysia. Confirm its Cyberjaya.

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Microsoft announces plans to establish its first datacenter region in Malaysia as part of “Bersama Malaysia” initiative to support inclusive economic growth]

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post Oct 21 2021, 12:28 AM

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More new luxury towers coming to Cyberjaya.

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post Oct 25 2021, 01:54 AM

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QUOTE(Judashow @ Oct 24 2021, 10:33 AM)
I wonder if MSFT will change mind since Malaysia disallows the fiber cable thing.
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The point on MSFT changing mind does not arise. The investment has been formally announced and endorsed by both MSFT and the Government. The construction work for the data center has also started.

 

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