other than subang jaya which considered nearest city to Cyber... the other places i considered as main cities are KL and PJ areas like KD or Damansara Uptown.... even go subang parade also need 40 mins wor.... based on actual driving experience... wonder your 20-25 mins is to which city? kajang, puchong, sri petaling?

its just a benchmark for subang CBD area... i can put empire subang or others as well....    and i'm just replying to the forummer posting on '20-25 mins can reach every main cities in KL &  selangor'... have no intention to debate on the distance to KL and etc...

I live in Cyber and my office is in Philedo Damansara so i would be taking that route... it is all nice and dandy when there is no traffic. But the morning or even the early afternoon traffice is crazy... double that time on your google map to get to my office if I am lucky

lol... nice to see you defending your township so strongly... as usual... resort to personal judgement when being defensive without anymore points...    u will be surprise how much i knew about cyberjaya and how often i travelling in and out from there...

but anyway... continue defend your township strongly with personal judgement in the forum...   

lol... when did i denied your facts... did i ever attacked your beloved township? look at all my previous postings... for the record, i just asked a valid question to his statement of '20-25 mins to main cities in Kl and selangor' and did i direct to you this question initially...? what the heck are you go and respond to other stuffs and be so defensive... do you think i care what your thought about whether cyberian need go to subang or not? joker la you....

i always travel to/from cyberjaya and i never say its far from KL city center to anyone... and i am using real experience of travelling to kajang/ puchong/sri petalling... you just googling map and wanna use it as fact... how often you really travel from pavillion to cyberjaya on a weekend...? wanna be defensive be abit rational la dei... give some relevant facts other than keep harping on distance to KL and google map la....

Setia eco glades always looks to barren and empty. Barely any activity around that area.

New international in Cyberjaya opening soon. Boarding school which can accommodate 1500 students.

Cyber will go into next gear once the gov hospital completed after 2020 end. The new hospital will make an impact to cyberjaya development as it will definitely increase demand and population in that area especially mutiara ville, pangea condo which is directly next to it. yea they seem dead now but you will see in the next few years.

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why so sensitive, only 2nd floor not yet finish build.

When you cannot afford a house in the middle, you either go north or south. Same reason why Puncak Alam/Denai Alam is getting the hots. It's the same reason why Cyberjaya still finds some buyers. They do call themselves Puchong South

I dont mind you bashing Serenia because it is still a young town with 0 resident.

Cyber has been proven for being a failed city, especially failing at living up to its expectations even with great federal government support in its early years

Now it is a den of failed unsold residential projects.

Like I said,

1. Serenia 1st Phase Amani, fully sold out
2. Serenia 2nd Phase Adiva, fully sold out
3. Serenia 3rd Phase Adiva 2, 90% sold out

Sime Darby doesnt need to use contracted property agents peddling unsold developer units because it has fully sold all of its units

You guys can get back to defending your Cyberjaya against my fair criticisms, or you can derail the topic by talking about Serenia. I am game.

I was about to leave you guys alone in your bubble of losses but no, you guys keep talking behind my back. I guess I am here to stay, I am currently a Cyberjaya resident afterall.

Ya I like Tamarind  too...just to buy few items and then exit the place....with .free parking

Thats the idea. SEG, being supported by Setia has proper planning - not much different to SD and their townships. Unfortunately SEG didnt get too big a land area for development, otherwise they would have turned the city around. Imagine their cities like Setia Alam. It is in a middle of nowhere, closer to Klang than PJ, but it is bustling with activities. They planned that city well (jam due to small road after the toll but they have reserved land for the road), limited and controlled the levels of commercial and industrial activities, seggregated the residential areas sensibly, etc.



That is in contrast to Cyberjaya as a whole, with its mini developers. Every developers working to maximize their own profit turning the city into a den of unsold high-rise properties. I feel sorry for the buyers... In any bubble crashes, the developers would end of rich as they are the first to be paid. The buyers/investors end up having to deal with the banks and the outstanding balance backed by bad/depreciated assets

Also, you just admitted that Cyber condo units are overpriced. "Entry price so high, high-rise somemore."

Btw which phase are they selling? I know Atyqa by SEG still being peddled by their staff/agents in Dpulze (each time I walk by LG near Jaya Groxer i get harrassed by Cyberjaya agents)

The population of Cyberjaya may not increase rapidly..but more home stayed population is noted, and less " overseas" people as compared to before.

For me, it is a " positive " growth

Where u get info LKW closing? They r one of the biggest exhibitor at Education Fair.

To the newcomers, judge for yourself. I speak with facts, figures, and photos. These Cyberjaya defenders can only rely on name calling and would avoid addressing the real concerns as a resident as well as an investor (or would be investor)

1. I already noticed the issues with Cyberjaya (and investment properties in general) way before I bought something nearby. Success of that city is not hinged on Cyberjaya failures. Cyberjaya has already failed in their attempt to be an IT city and property investment city. There are tons of other cities surrounding Cyberjaya but you wont hear me complaining about them because

a. As mentioned, i am not doing this just because i bought a nearby property. I never brought that up, you guys were the ones who were obsessed to find faults where there are none - if you want to complain about Serenia, feel free toncome over the thread. You are going way off-topic by doing that here. No comparisons were made to compare Serenia vs Cyberjaya coming from me, it was all from you

b. I live in Cyberjaya, and i get to see the general and specific faults of the city. All i am doing is sharing my thoughts on this city

2. Missed the property boat? There are plenty of investment vehicles that are giving better returns than properties, as well having other advantages such as liquidity, small-ticket sizes, etc . One of the problems with proeprties is that it has very low liquidity and can usually only be bought with a mortgage.

There are tons of people who got into the so-called boat that have in turn "drowned" in debt. Please do yourself a favor and look at the amount of bankruptcies among these investors. A good number of them are in Cyberjaya - these auction properties are brand-new, never been tenanted before. This means that the owners most likely bought them for investments, and are unable to flip or rent out. Take a look at the empty condos in the early evenings in weekdays. Take a look at the vacant residential parking lots. Do understand that:

a. These properties have owners who are likely bleeding cash each month to serve the installments and maintenance fees

b. These properties are unsold developer units, which are being sold with discounts and rebates, making them much cheaper than subsale units available in the secondary market.

Properties bought a few years ago are being auctioned for less than 50% of their SPA prices. These people are not here to share their miseries, but you can look at the proclamation of sales and do the maths.

I suggest you all stick to the topic. I was ready to talk about the facilities in great detail and you guys come out with that Serenia talk lah, name-calling lah. Grow up and be a little more civilized please.

Have you considered your inabilities to listen or consider opposing views resulted to your being roped in to invest in properties that have now lost their values? You only wanted to hear the positive things, which are usually what the sales people would say. You refused to see the realities at the time of purchase and signed on the dotted lines.

Now the bubble is bursting (dropping prices) and you are angry at those who are just stating the facts, sharing the figures, and posting the photos

Well, if have school nearby and abundance IT company for sure its gonna be my top choice.

Edit: ops for retirement right? Yeahhh, why not. If serenia got what we want, we can consider it