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post Mar 15 2007, 09:39 AM

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Mar 14 2007, 02:45 PM)
It's a movie based on a retelling of history, adapted and modernized by the pages of Frank Miller's work in 300 The Graphic Novel. The author takes his own liberties when describing what's Persian and what's Greek. Take it as that, simple. In fact, modern Persians and Greeks would be grateful that people are intrigued to know the retelling of their ancient history, rather than it remained within the dust-laden confines of a forgotten section in a library. Sure, it is hyper-realized, it is stylized , and it is changed, it is a freaking ADAPTATION of history retold. It has gone through time, nobody but the real participants of the battle would really know what happened there. All we have to rely on are scriptures and stories retold, and stories retold have the effect being exaggerated and altered to suit the context of the storyteller and the period of time it's being retold. Not a surprise that modern storytellers like Frank Miller tells this story as it is now in "300", im sure his intentions are for the audience to remember the main gist of the battle and the reasons why it is fought. It's sad that the audience nowadays are more readily tie things to politics and nitpicking small details than reflecting on the real message the movie wants to put across.
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So how is it a 'retelling of history' when the portrayal of a particular culture is wrong?

It is a comic adaptation. And the storyline of the comic itself (like all graphic novels and comics) is really based very loosely on actual facts, with a heavy dose of fact-twisting in play (I am an avid comic/graphic novel reader myself).

People are incensed with the movie not because of what they are wearing, as your earlier example, but rather the portrayal of a particular mindset that wasn't true.

As to your assertion that it is not political - modern propaganda machines are far more subtle than your typical Stalinistic efforts.

I am now in a position where I deal daily with older teens, and I can safely say that a mindset bred on Hollywood movies and MTV doesn't really add much to the grey matter, nor do they possess the capability of separating the impression gained on a certain topic in the movies, from actual fact.

One can identify that a particular movie isn't actually factual, but the deeper psychological effect that takes root is harder to identify and it most often results in shaping one's idea of a certain topic - isn't that what propaganda is all about?

Additionally, as someone who is fortunate enough to be in the know of certain political agendas, I can most certainly say that EVERYTHING is political (not only in ours). A tool is a tool, regardless of whether it is a movie shown to the public. Taking entertainment as just that, is a fallacy.

You can disagree all you want, which you will doubtlessly do in the next few posts, but until I see sociological, psychological and political studies/reports that tell me differently, I will be inclined to hold a contrarian view to yours.

Have a nice day.
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post Mar 15 2007, 10:55 AM

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I did not call 300 pro-American.

In case you missed it, my post was a broadbrush sweep in general. It could be pro-Middle Eastern, pro-Singaporean, pro-Malaysian - whatever.

And good then, we'll agree to disagree.
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post Mar 15 2007, 04:47 PM

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Mar 15 2007, 02:58 PM)
Hahahahah, i dont even have to come in here for other to rebuke your post, dear Diazepam.
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'Rebuke' my post? You're joking, right?

QUOTE(stringfellow @ Mar 15 2007, 02:58 PM)
What's happening in this movie is the the very lightest of tainting of the truth, the only reason why propagandist like you marked it as important is because it is a popular medium of telling a story, market a product, spread your messages across, political notwithstanding.
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Are we resorting to name-calling now?

Is it an assumption on your part or do you have concrete proof of my role as a 'propagandist'? I don't believe we've even had any sort of internet communication prior to this.

QUOTE(stringfellow @ Mar 15 2007, 02:58 PM)
So, if you fancy everything to be POLITICAL and laced with CONSPIRACY, then feel free to to think as such.
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Yes, I have already said that I WILL hold a contrarian view to yours.

QUOTE(stringfellow @ Mar 15 2007, 02:58 PM)
Have fun at your movies, im sure our next summer movies like Spider-Man 3, Pirates of Caribbean 3, or even poor Shrek 3 will get politicized by you every time you step into that cinema hall. Me? I just wanna enjoy Spider-Man beating the crap outta Sandman, Captain Jack Sparrow's faceoff with SaoFeng, and Shrek finding King Arthur in these movies. Zero political agendas, maximum enjoyment. Sorry if that sound a little shallow, but i treat my movies as such, unless they are laden with meanings and messages worth pondering for. Pity that you cant enjoy the movie "as it is" and had to insert whatever political angles you care to debate in it. Enjoy! laugh.gif
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Again, I am unable to understand how you can assume so much with so little information about me.

QUOTE(stringfellow @ Mar 15 2007, 02:58 PM)
Do they IMMEDIATELY think of the American/Iraq/Iran and tie them to specific groups in the movie,
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Yes, to have them not equate it to politics is the general intention.

QUOTE(stringfellow @ Mar 15 2007, 02:58 PM)
or are they only thinking as such, when avid propagandist like you bring them up.
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Yet again.

QUOTE(stringfellow @ Mar 15 2007, 02:58 PM)
Once that comes to mind, then only people like you will bring politics into the equation, when there are no such intentions.
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I did not bring politics to anything, did I? I was responding to your post that was already laden with politics.

QUOTE(stringfellow @ Mar 15 2007, 02:58 PM)
It is people like you who would like to bring those convoluted crap back into our faces, when things like these are the matters that divides peace-loving people like us.
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And yet again. Do you even know me? Who ARE people like 'me'?

QUOTE(stringfellow @ Mar 15 2007, 02:58 PM)
If you read more into that, then i suggest you exercise that brain power on something more worthwhile, rather than hatching endless political skews.
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And you know that I don't because? And you know I 'hatch endless political skews' because?

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It is pretty obvious that you are unable to have a civil discussion with a divergence of opinions without resorting to an infantile need to name-call and to assume based on a shallow intepretation of what have been posted.

As a 'peace-loving people', do you not find that neutrality is needed? Should you have any problems comprehending my earlier post, may I suggest that you read it again with an open mind - and not one tainted with your own personal bias.

I specifically said to YOU that you will doubtlessly disagree and that you will attempt to reply precisely because of the kind of response that was forthcoming - I have read your other posts in this forum. If I was as confident about the others' inability to hold a civil discussion, I would have addressed it to everyone - which I didn't. Nor did I feel that no one else would post replies to my post.

Unlike you, I do not feel the need to lambast every single reply that are polar opposites of mine, so please do note that I have mostly chosen to question/reply you on statements that have been directed towards me at a personal level, which I feel should have been unnecessary, given your self-admitted bias towards 'peace'.

Once again, have a nice day. nod.gif

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