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darklord95
post Mar 21 2017, 06:00 AM, updated 4 months ago
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So Malaysia is a country, and our country has several states like Kuala Lumpur, Sabah, Sarawak, the list goes on..

What about UK? Is UK considered a country or a kingdom? like UK is the country and there are 3 provinces which are england, scotland, wales and ireland?

a little bit confused here cuz i heard their province/state system works differently than ours
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post Mar 21 2017, 06:06 AM
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QUOTE(darklord95 @ Mar 21 2017, 06:00 AM)
So Malaysia is a country, and our country has several states like Kuala Lumpur, Sabah, Sarawak, the list goes on..

What about UK? Is UK considered a country or a kingdom? like UK is the country and there are 3 provinces which are england, scotland, wales and ireland?

a little bit confused here cuz i heard their province/state system works differently than ours
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post Mar 21 2017, 06:11 AM
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i tembak aja
https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-differenc...nce-and-a-state
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Province comes from the Latin word Provincia, which means territories outside of Italy that were ruled by Roman magistrates. The provinces are subordinates to the central power sitting in the capital. Provinces are merely administrative conveniences and can be abolished/merged at will by the central government. Russia, China, Indonesia and Canada all have provinces.

State comes from the Latin word status which signifies a social/political order. A state has a government and an identity. It is not merely an administrative unit. While a non-sovereign state surrenders some of the powers to the central government, it is not considered subservient to the centre. It cannot be easily abolished or merged without the consent of its government. US, India, Germany, Malaysia and Australia all have states.

While Canada formally has provinces, in practice they work more like states with their own key powers and autonomy. While India switched from provinces to states in 1950, its Constitution still provides the central government more leeway in breaking/merging the states.




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post Mar 21 2017, 06:20 AM
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QUOTE(darklord95 @ Mar 21 2017, 06:00 AM)
So Malaysia is a country, and our country has several states like Kuala Lumpur, Sabah, Sarawak, the list goes on..

What about UK? Is UK considered a country or a kingdom? like UK is the country and there are 3 provinces which are england, scotland, wales and ireland?

a little bit confused here cuz i heard their province/state system works differently than ours
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states and provinces

States are
#1 states formed with independance sultan
#2 they later joined together and form a larger entity later such as Malaysia
#3 google "the forming of malaysia"
#4 malaysia has many sultans ... p.s. brunei sultan didnt want to join Malaysia

Provinces are
#1 States conquered many land under 1 ruler/party/king
#2 for easier control, they split their country into parts known as provinces
#3 in the state of selangor, the negeri has provinces but since it is small enough to govern, they terus tembak "District"? (correct me if wrong)
[edit] sorry i tembak salah

"As nouns the difference between district and province is that district is an administrative division of an area while province is a subdivision of government usually one step below the national level; (canada) one of ten of canada's federated entities, recognized by the constitution and having a separate representative of the sovereign (compare territory). "

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post Mar 21 2017, 07:21 AM
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of course different mah ....

our system is different from the UK.... why want to be same?
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post Mar 21 2017, 07:24 AM
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https://www.amazon.com/50-Years-Malaysia-Fe...k/dp/B00TQMHGZA

Brexit Keluar EU, Scotland can secede from U.K. So does Singapore, sarawak & sabah from malaysia


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post Mar 21 2017, 07:36 AM
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states = province

us states using governor system, but marehsia states using ketua menteri/menteri besar system. politically YPD,TYT,Sultan didnt worked as administrator of the state

Northern Ireland, Scots, wales, england = United Kingdom

scot,wales,england = Britain




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post Mar 21 2017, 08:05 AM
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Malaysia is actually a pretty loose federation made up of small individual states with each having a pretty large degree of autonomy. On some matters like land management, agriculture or local government, even federal government cannot disturb.

So instead of a single country, in reality we are just a collection of small ones, each with their own (albeit devolved) government.
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post Mar 21 2017, 08:08 AM
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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Mar 21 2017, 08:05 AM)
Malaysia is actually a pretty loose federation made up of small individual states with each having a pretty large degree of autonomy. On some matters like land management, agriculture or local government, even federal government cannot disturb.

So instead of a single country, in reality we are just a collection of small ones, each with their own (albeit devolved) government.
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post Mar 21 2017, 08:10 AM
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why japan's called prefecture? is it the same thing?
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post Mar 21 2017, 08:12 AM
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QUOTE(Vape On @ Mar 21 2017, 08:08 AM)
But 1 dictator
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No matter. Structure of federal/states still the same.

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post Mar 21 2017, 08:13 AM
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QUOTE(likeflowersosui @ Mar 21 2017, 08:12 AM)
since when KL is a state?
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post Mar 21 2017, 08:18 AM
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compare to maju country.that good.

but we like vote korup politicians.

not match at all.

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post Mar 21 2017, 08:23 AM
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state
- can be sovereign or non-sovereign
- e.g. Singapore is a sovereign city-state, while Malaysian states are non-sovereign

country
- sovereign state
- kampung

province - non-sovereign

nation - bangsa

kingdom - state with king/queen

kesultanan - state with sultan

empire
- state with emperor/empress
- another meaning dunno how to explain, e.g. British Empire

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post Mar 21 2017, 08:24 AM
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QUOTE(darklord95 @ Mar 21 2017, 06:00 AM)
So Malaysia is a country, and our country has several states like Kuala Lumpur, Sabah, Sarawak, the list goes on..

What about UK? Is UK considered a country or a kingdom? like UK is the country and there are 3 provinces which are england, scotland, wales and ireland?

a little bit confused here cuz i heard their province/state system works differently than ours
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Malaysia is Province of People's Republic of China ? laugh.gif
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post Mar 21 2017, 08:25 AM
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QUOTE(river.sand @ Mar 21 2017, 08:23 AM)
state
- can be sovereign or non-sovereign
- e.g. Singapore is a sovereign city-state, while Malaysian states are non-sovereign

country
- sovereign state
- kampung

province - non-sovereign

kingdom - state with king/queen

kesultanan - state with sultan

empire
- state with emperor/empress
- another meaning dunno how to explain, e.g. British Empire
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what about "Bumi Kita" hmm.gif
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post Mar 21 2017, 08:52 AM
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QUOTE(bereev @ Mar 21 2017, 08:24 AM)
Malaysia is Province of People's Republic of China ?  laugh.gif
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Vassal state

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what about "Bumi Kita"  hmm.gif
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post Mar 21 2017, 04:40 PM
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QUOTE(likeflowersosui @ Mar 21 2017, 08:12 AM)
since when KL is a state?
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my bad, selangor is the state. but im pretty sure sabah and sarawak are considered states too
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