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Frozen_Sun
post Mar 21 2017, 05:31 PM

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QUOTE(lordy @ Mar 21 2017, 05:00 PM)
what happened to these asset now?
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It's preparation for regaining Papua by force, because the Dutch was reluctant to relinquish it. This show of force was successful, Dutch simply left.

Communist influence toppled in a massive purge, Sukarno replaced by Suharto. Indonesia switched to western side. No more parts from Soviet Union.

Other than scrapped, some fighters like MiG-21 was sent to the US. As replacement, Indonesia bought F-5 Tiger and others.
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post Mar 21 2017, 05:32 PM

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QUOTE(lordy @ Mar 21 2017, 05:00 PM)
what happened to these asset now?
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Some in museum.

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http://www.aviationmuseum.eu/World/Asia/In...KS-1_M-1625.htm


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post Mar 21 2017, 06:08 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Mar 21 2017, 04:58 PM)
Sorry to burst your bubble, but Indonesia was ahead of entire ASEAN since even the 1950s. Even when Malaysia and Singapore was just a twinkle in the British eye, Indonesian military already have very serious assets.

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Indonesian Tu-16 Badger fleet

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Rare pics of the Indonesian Navy Cruiser RI Irian. Credit to Lembaga Keris.

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DDG_Ross
post Mar 21 2017, 06:18 PM

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QUOTE(lordy @ Mar 21 2017, 03:21 PM)
what happend to the AUG case? stamping composite plastic is not rocket science when we have companies that can do oil rig and semi conduction wafers
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steyr issue isnt really about quality but more about its maintenance and inherent design..

the steyr were brought "as is" meaning they were a stock design from their austrian factories
which may have worked in their country of origin but completely ignored our msian tropical settings

the humidity and lack of waterproofings means the mechanical parts needs to be dried off before every use
and with more mechanical parts its more prone to jams in the auto setting; suffice to say its a maintenance nightmare
even the aussie learned this and made modification to their own stery aug to the f88 standard

the rifle is actually is still in service though, but mostly for rear line troops and reserve particularly the artys and support corps

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James831
post Mar 21 2017, 06:18 PM

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Two Contenders for MRSS--MalaysianDefence
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LANGKAWI: Two Contenders for MRSS. Despite the MOU between Boustead and PT PAL, there is yet no guarantee that they will build the MRSS. Facing off against the offering is one from China though it is not clear which ship or the shipyard.
Although, one China firm is taking part in LIMA 17, CSSC, it did not display a LPD-type ship, similar to the MRSS concept. In the previous LIMA, they had of course.
PT PAL of Indonesia, in the other hand had a model of its MRSS and the picture of it as the backdrop of its booth. Basically its a refinement of the model shown in Indo Defense last year.
Boustead, meanwhile, did not have a model although it touted the MOU with PT PAL with a banner. I did not find anyone who could speak about the MRSS or even the LCS and LMS for that matter but I guess there is still time to speak with them in the next few days. Hopefully.
I am not sure whether the competition from China is a serious one or simply an attempt to make the Boustead/PT PAL offer an honest one. I am told the project will be funded soon, likely to be in 2018, if all goes well in the economic and political spheres, of course.
I am told a point defence system is needed while a medium calibre gun is also specified. Of course, if they decided on a China made ship, it is likely to be fitted with China made weapons system as Western companies are not allowed to fit military grade stuff on such vessels.
The Boustead/PT PAL model has a 57mm gun so I guess that is probably the choice of the builders. Interestingly, KRI Banjarmasin, the third Makassar class which the MRSS based on is fitted with a 40mm L70 Bofors gun as main gun. The ship is taking part in LIMA 17.
Anyhow, work on the MMEA OPV is expected to start early next year. The three ships will be built at the TTHE shipyard in Pulau Indah, THHE officials confirmed. As reported previously, the ship will be built to the Damen 1800 OPV design.
However, unlike 1800 design, the MMEA OPV will not come with a hangar for an embarked helicopter. It can land and refuel helicopters up to an AW139, however, as well as UAVs. No decision has been made on the UAV.
It will be fitted with four Caterpillar diesel engines with two screws for a design speed of 20 knots. It will be 83 meters long and crewed by 70 personnel.

i thought MRSS was not on the RMN priority list???

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post Mar 21 2017, 06:24 PM

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QUOTE(James831 @ Mar 21 2017, 06:18 PM)
Two Contenders for MRSS--MalaysianDefence
i thought MRSS was not on the RMN priority list???
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not sure where did you get the idea?
mrss have always been on their priority list
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QUOTE(lordy @ Mar 21 2017, 05:19 PM)
looks like Indonesia is ahead of many countries in ASEAN  rclxms.gif
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i think its just the hull... even the indians can do that

QUOTE(lordy @ Mar 21 2017, 05:21 PM)
what happend to the AUG case? stamping composite plastic is not rocket science when we have companies that can do oil rig and semi conduction wafers
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idunnolol... the rest here might know better

QUOTE(TechSuper @ Mar 21 2017, 05:58 PM)
power train tu kereta bole bang. ships guna propulsion  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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term power train is used in the marine industry too...
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post Mar 21 2017, 07:09 PM

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Russia, Indonesia Discuss Delivery Contract of 2 Stealth Submarines to Jakarta

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11:10 21.03.2017

Russia and Indonesia are in discussions over a contract on the delivery of two stealth submarines to Jakarata, the deputy director of Russia's Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation (FSMTC) told Sputnik.

LANGKAWI (Malaysia) (Sputnik) — Petukhov heads the Russian delegation at the Langkawi International Maritime and Aerospace Exhibition LIMA-2017, where the Project 636 is among the 500 pieces of Russian military hardware showcased.

"The draft contract is under discussion," Mikhail Petukhov said of the Project 636 Varshavyanka class diesel-electric submarines.

The Varshavyanka-class is an improved version of Kilo-class submarines that feature elements of advanced stealth technology, extended combat range and the ability to strike land, surface and underwater targets.

The vessel, carrying crews of 52, has a top underwater speed of 20 knots and a cruising range of 400 miles (electric propulsion), with the ability to patrol for 45 days. The submarines are armed with 18 torpedoes and eight surface-to-air missiles.

The submarines are mainly intended for anti-ship and anti-submarine missions in coastal waters.


https://sputniknews.com/military/2017032110...sia-deliveries/

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post Mar 21 2017, 07:43 PM

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Taiwan self made La Fayette-class frigate smaller version invisible type..
if Malaysia buy from Taiwan cheaper price..what u guy think?

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LIMA 2017: CSIC discloses further details of Littoral Mission Ship proposal for Malaysia

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A model of the Littoral Mission Ship proposal for Malaysia, on show for the first time at LIMA 2017 in Langkawi. (IHS Markit/Ridzwan Rahmat)


http://www.janes.com/article/68870/lima-20...al-for-malaysia




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QUOTE(djhenry91 @ Mar 21 2017, 07:43 PM)
Taiwan self made La Fayette-class frigate smaller version invisible type..
if Malaysia buy from Taiwan cheaper price..what u guy think?
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err.. the taiwan frigate is made in french
taiwan only did final weapons assembly
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post Mar 21 2017, 08:03 PM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Mar 21 2017, 07:44 PM)
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i see they added a dual fast ramp for rhib boats

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post Mar 21 2017, 08:09 PM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Mar 21 2017, 01:46 PM)
this was suppose to realeased last year
but delay for some reason
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The last I watch was Bravo. Waiting for this 3. One on the UTK and the 2 army movies.
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QUOTE(DDG_Ross @ Mar 21 2017, 07:50 PM)
err.. the taiwan frigate is made in french
taiwan only did final weapons assembly
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i think is missle boat..Kuang Hua VI-class missile boat
smaller version of french made frigate and change of little design on tht ship
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QUOTE(pcboss00 @ Mar 21 2017, 11:03 AM)
the only ToT we (already) get right now are from the NGPV project. BNS did compete with others in SGPV, but lost probably due to tech offered. that about ship design. If about configuration and installation, the knowledge we gain from NGPV already applied on Kasturi class SLEP.
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TOT does not mean the OEM handover all ther trade secret. For NGPV bought the right to its technology. For Gowind class. It was not stated on how much tech transfer was done. The advantage of TOT to the industry is to keep the builder know how on continuing the project. And expect more wired for kind of ship. As it is cheaper for a navy to run in along run.
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QUOTE(lordy @ Mar 21 2017, 08:16 PM)
wow, ini memang hari ini dalam sejarah ....
question now arise, while the aussies managed to mod to f88 standard, why malaysia did not follow thru?
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simply cuz it would cost more to mod it
smeo can oni afford for license-production

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QUOTE(djhenry91 @ Mar 21 2017, 08:15 PM)
i think is missle boat..Kuang Hua VI-class missile boat
smaller version of french made frigate and change of little design on tht ship
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sure it might be cheaper but its pretty much out of the question due to current political influences
and taiwan does rarely export its weapons due for the same reason

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post Mar 21 2017, 09:17 PM

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QUOTE(DDG_Ross @ Mar 21 2017, 08:42 PM)
sure it might be cheaper but its pretty much out of the question due to current political influences
and taiwan does rarely export its weapons due for the same reason

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Taiwan is an import country or I would put it beggar country for arms. Every major exporter may it be US, France and other are in limbo when selling to Taiwan. As the one china policy was recognised by all country. The only catch is US as any attack on Taiwan will stop major chip and microelectronics which will cause disruption to the world economy badly. For Taiwan they do not export their arms.
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QUOTE(djhenry91 @ Mar 21 2017, 09:43 PM)
Taiwan self made La Fayette-class frigate smaller version invisible type..
if Malaysia buy from Taiwan cheaper price..what u guy think?
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lelz... prc will squeeze najib's balls blush.gif

QUOTE(lordy @ Mar 21 2017, 10:16 PM)
wow, ini memang hari ini dalam sejarah ....

question now arise, while the aussies managed to mod to f88 standard, why malaysia did not follow thru?
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dont compare with aus please... cool2.gif

QUOTE(lordy @ Mar 21 2017, 10:19 PM)
not too bad la... as far as welding steel plates are concerned laugh.gif
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www.shephardmedia.com/news/imps-news/lima-2017-china-proposes-light-lhd/

LIMA 2017: China proposes light LHD

21st March 2017 - 12:30 by Gordon Arthur in Langkawi
LIMA 2017: China proposes light LHD
The China Shipbuilding & Offshore International Company (CSOC) showed a large scale model of a landing helicopter dock (LHD) vessel at the LIMA 2017 exhibition in Langkawi, Malaysia.

Although labelled a landing platform dock (LPD) the ship model had a flat-top deck suitable for landing up to four helicopters. The model interestingly showed an embarked V-22 Osprey and MH-60 Seahawk while a spokesperson said the ship could embark ten helicopters in total.

This new design was an interesting addition to the potpourri of ship designs that CSOC exhibited especially considering the fact that the Royal Malaysian Navy (RMN) is not in the market for such a large-displacement vessel.

While the RMN has long had a desire to obtain LPDs it has been stymied in its quest by budgetary restrictions. Certainly it has no declared desire for an LHD.

Indeed, the most likely candidate to meet Malaysia's LPD requirement is the Multi-Role Support Ship (MRSS) from PT PAL being offered in conjunction with local partner Boustead Naval Shipyard. The MRSS is 163m long and displaces 12,000t.

A spokesperson from CSOC said the LHD model on display at LIMA 2017 had a displacement of approximately 20,000t. He confirmed it was not designed for the People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) but that it had been proposed to several overseas customers.

Nevertheless there were similarities between the 20,000t LHD and the much larger Type 075 LHD that the PLAN appears destined to obtain. The shape of the island superstructure, for example, matched that of the Type 075 seen in unofficial artist's renditions.

Some sources within China previously stated that steel cutting on the first-of-class would take place in the first quarter of 2017.

The China State Shipbuilding Corporation (CSSC) has apparently been awarded the construction contract for the Type 075 that will have an estimated displacement of 36,000t. This size would make it marginally smaller than a 40,500t Wasp-class LHD of the US Navy.

The Type 075 will have landing deck spaces for six helicopters and should be able to accommodate up to 30 helicopters. In the case of the PLAN this would probably include types such as the Z-8, Z-9, Z-18, Ka-28 and Ka-31. A main elevator is located at the stern.

On the Type 75 each corner of the hull features self-defensive weapons, including two H/PJ-11 11-barrelled 30mm close-in weapon system and two HQ-10 short-range surface-to-air missiles.

With the size of the PLAN Marine Corps set to rise from its current 20,000 troops to somewhere close to 100,000, China's navy will have an urgent need for LHDs.

The PLAN's largest amphibious support vessels at the moment are four Type 071 LPDs, although a fifth is under construction and a sixth is expected. Beijing had previously offered Malaysia this class of ship.

Interestingly, CSOC also showed a model of the Type 001 Liaoning aircraft carrier at LIMA 2017 as well, further underscoring China's efforts to make carrier acquisitions as routine and acceptable as possible.

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