more $$$ involved
East Coast Rail Link (ECRL), 23 stations in cities. TOD booming?
East Coast Rail Link (ECRL), 23 stations in cities. TOD booming?
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Aug 29 2017, 04:17 PM
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lot's of tunneling jobs..
more $$$ involved |
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May 13 2018, 05:16 PM
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Bye bye ECRL.
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May 21 2018, 09:49 PM
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Council of Elders.
Cut PMO spending, mega-projects to curb ballooning public debt, says economist Published on 4 Feb 2018 https://www.themalaysianinsight.com/s/36041/ Economist Jomo Kwame Sundaram says there is urgent need for greater transparency and accountability in 'off-budget' infrastructure spending, which is not part of the federal government budget and is thereby unaccountable to Parliament. – The Malaysian Insight file pic, February 4, 2018. UNCHECKED overspending by the Prime Minister’s Office and disproportionate allocation of development funds have led to the official government debt fast approaching RM700 billion, said a prominent economist. Former United Nations assistant secretary-general Jomo Kwame Sundaram said there was an urgent need for greater transparency and accountability in “off-budget” infrastructure spending, which is not part of the federal government budget and is thereby unaccountable to Parliament. “What Malaysia needs now is more appropriate development expenditure, not yet more operating expenditure, especially for the PMO, which has grown more than tenfold and has centralised power like never before," Jomo told The Malaysian Insight in a telephone interview recently. "Meanwhile, most infrastructure spending is not on the federal budget, and often involves dubious public-private partnerships, further reducing transparency and accountability, as (witnessed in) the recent rush to start the ECRL (East Coast Rail Line)." Jomo recommended that allocations to the PMO be slashed to lower rising debt. The PMO was allocated RM17.43 billion in Budget 2018, almost double the RM8.938 billion it received in 2008. Mega-projects such as the ECRL, Tun Razak Exchange, and Bandar Malaysia should also be scrutinised by an independent bipartisan parliamentary committee chaired by a member of the opposition party, said Jomo. In the case of the 688km ECRL, should the rail system, which costs RM55 billion, nearly 8% of Malaysia’s public debt, fail to generate the expected level of demand and return on investment, it can put the government highly in debt to China. "ECRL would never pay for itself. Right now, the estimated government debt is large and it is growing very fast. When you talk about debt, you have to consider both the official debt as well as the government guaranteed debt. “And because there's no accountability for the government guaranteed debt, there's a lot of room for hanky-panky. There's hardly any reporting and so on." Jomo said there was also a need to prevent abuse of public-private partnerships, as “ultimately it is the public that bears the costs or the bulk of the risks, while the profits mainly accrue to the private partner". Jomo, a visiting fellow at the Khazanah Research Institute, has been a vocal critic of the government’s rising operation expenditure, which has grown an average 6% yearly for the last 10 years. Operations spending grew from RM123.10 billion in 2007 to RM219.91 billion in 2017, exceeding Malaysia’s revenue which grew at an average of 4.9% yearly since 2007, when revenue stood at RM139.9 billion to RM225.34 billion in 2017. Federal debt during the same period rose 10% annually from RM123 billion in 2007 to RM687.43 billion as at September 2017. A recent report by The Edge Markets revealed that going by an annual growth rate of 10.7%, Malaysia's debt could reach RM1 trillion by 2021 on excessive spending. By the same projection, Malaysia's debt could reach RM2 trillion in 2028 and RM3 trillion in 2032. Funds diverted to service debt Jomo said high public debt, if left unaddressed long-term, would put the country at risk of default. "Taking on debt for productive uses is generally desirable. However, much of the recent debt is not being used productively. “Also, the government should be paying down debt or reducing debt when the economy is growing and incurring debt when there is a slowdown. "However, for the last 10 years or more, we have just been taking on more and more debt, even when we claim the economy is growing well, which is usually seen as fiscally irresponsible,” he said. Jomo said servicing the interest for high public debt diverted funds from other sectors, which would benefit the people, such as healthcare or education. "Apparently that is the case in Malaysia where, allocations to public universities have been cut by more than half in the last two years," he said. While he acknowledged the need for development expenditure for the economy to progress, Jomo said the funding should be more targeted and “appropriate”. "They should fund research, for example, to increase the productivity of oil palm by increasing its productive life span to 90 years from the current 25 years." "Malaysia's most successful industrialisation story is not electronics, which is controlled by foreign companies but palm oil, which is controlled by Malaysia," he said. – February 4, 2018. http://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/cove...ters-department » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « |
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May 21 2018, 10:45 PM
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doubt on ECRL future..
more cost cutting measures expected... |
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May 22 2018, 06:41 AM
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Maybe China will propose another financial parkage for this project
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May 22 2018, 11:42 AM
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Can propose new line where more feasible:
Extend from Kuala Lipis exisitng railway track to raub, bentong , karak , titi , Semenyih (tunnel) , Putrajaya HSR , back to Bangi existing track and extend to cyberjaya and port klang to skip KV track |
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May 22 2018, 01:24 PM
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QUOTE(mingyew @ May 22 2018, 11:42 AM) Can propose new line where more feasible: Kinda confusing...Extend from Kuala Lipis exisitng railway track to raub, bentong , karak , titi , Semenyih (tunnel) , Putrajaya HSR , back to Bangi existing track and extend to cyberjaya and port klang to skip KV track But looks good on paper... |
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May 22 2018, 01:55 PM
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QUOTE(mingyew @ May 22 2018, 11:42 AM) Can propose new line where more feasible: Existing ktm tracks is narrow guage, incompatible with modern standard guage.Extend from Kuala Lipis exisitng railway track to raub, bentong , karak , titi , Semenyih (tunnel) , Putrajaya HSR , back to Bangi existing track and extend to cyberjaya and port klang to skip KV track |
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May 22 2018, 02:14 PM
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May 22 2018, 02:49 PM
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China as main contractor confirm will not have any trickle down effect. it will not spur our economy..this is all a ploy to boost china's own economy. later EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING will bring from china. we will not enjoy a cent out of the 55 billion..lol
bijan really sohai in making the deals. no job creation no transfer of technology whatsoever..lel |
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May 22 2018, 03:04 PM
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QUOTE(shadow_walker @ May 22 2018, 02:49 PM) China as main contractor confirm will not have any trickle down effect. it will not spur our economy..this is all a ploy to boost china's own economy. later EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING will bring from china. we will not enjoy a cent out of the 55 billion..lol As long as donation is received, the rest is not his concern.bijan really sohai in making the deals. no job creation no transfer of technology whatsoever..lel |
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May 22 2018, 03:10 PM
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May 22 2018, 03:28 PM
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ May 22 2018, 03:10 PM) Then ECRL is meter gauge already...Anyway, we use utilize gemas-kelantan track if really want to connect back to port klang, their purpose is mainly for cargo, if for passenger doesnt make sense at all as why east coast people want to come KL frequently. add-on: better use the money for Pangerang to Kelantan line and seremban to serendah KV bypass line This post has been edited by mingyew: May 22 2018, 03:29 PM |
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May 22 2018, 03:30 PM
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Oct 22 2018, 03:36 PM
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The Malaysian government could claim back the RM10.02 billion paid to East Coast Rail Link (ECRL) contractors if the project is terminated, said Finance Minister Lim Guan Eng today.
http://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/govt...g-says-guan-eng interesting... every ringgit counted... 1 Trillion debts yo.. $$$$ |
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Jan 23 2019, 11:22 AM
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http://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/epcc...E2%80%94-source
http://www.theedgemarkets.com/content/even...rl-contractor-0 EPCC contract with CCCC for ECRL project terminated — source Jose Barrock / theedgemarkets.com January 18, 2019 15:21 pm +08 -A+A KUALA LUMPUR (Jan 18): The government has terminated the engineering, procurement, construction and commissioning (EPCC) contract awarded to China contractor China Communications Construction Co Ltd (CCCC) for the RM81 billion East Coast Rail Link (ECRL) project, a source told theedgemarkets.com today. CCCC was instructed to stop all construction works and services regarding the ECRL project by Finance Minister Lim Guan Eng on July 3 last year until further notice, pending a review. The ECRL is among several mega projects being reviewed by the current Pakatan Harapan government, in this case due to the cost of undertaking the ambitious railway link that forms part of China's "One Belt, One Road" initiative. Advertisement The project was first approved by the Cabinet on Oct 31, 2016, while the EPCC agreement was signed with CCCC on Nov 1, 2016. |
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Jan 23 2019, 01:43 PM
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48,551 posts Joined: Sep 2014 From: REality |
either open tender & Another Chinese company win or local JV wins
any way. it's sure would be cheaper than the original cost |
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Jan 29 2019, 01:06 PM
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![]() Dr Mahathir Mohamad today confirmed reports that Malaysia is cancelling the RM81 billion East Coast Rail Link (ECRL), following conflicting statements from two of his Cabinet members on the China-led project. “Sometimes, ministers make an announcement before it is due,” he told reporters today. “The finance minister will give a clear explanation soon as to what happened.” Finance Minister Lim Guan Eng and Economic Affairs Minister Mohamed Azmin Ali had both issued conflicting statements on the project. Azmin said the government had terminated China Communications Construction Group Ltd as the project’s contractor, while Lim said an official decision had yet to be made. Mahathir today said the project was a burden to the government, and cancelling it was a better alternative despite the huge compensation it would have to pay. “It is not that we do not want to honour our contracts. We just cannot pay. “These contracts will cost us more than RM100 billion. It will impoverish us, so we seek the understanding of the parties concerned. We are really tied in terms of finances,” he said. https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...o-big-a-burden/ |
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Jan 29 2019, 01:49 PM
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There's some rumors saying the delay in official announcement is to wait counter offer by China... Lower price or smaller scale project compared with the original one...
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Jan 30 2019, 04:29 PM
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Guan Eng: Putrajaya now in talks with Beijing over ECRL
https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/201...er-ecrl/1718047 keep on spinning over the issues.. first say No Go. later says still under nego with CCCC. Then No Go.. Now says direct Nego with Chinese goverment |
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