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nakedtruth
post Mar 14 2017, 03:42 PM

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QUOTE(nakedtruth @ Mar 13 2017, 07:32 PM)
if the break tank is to serve units below the level 15 will not experience low pressure. Also normally the water will distribute from the highest tank coz the mid level will be serve as storage tank.
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this will depend on the height of the tank and also the distance to the outlet.

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post Mar 15 2017, 04:51 PM

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As long as dont find dead body in there good dy....lol
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post Mar 15 2017, 07:11 PM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Mar 14 2017, 01:22 PM)
Maybe opposite is better than neighbour ?  tongue.gif

If neighbour, the noise/vibration transmitted it over the wall.

If opposite, the noise gets to the wall but insulated by a layer of air ?
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Yes because my unit is seperated from the water pump unit and i have slightly more privacy as my front door is not facing another unit's door
Not sure about unit next to water pump though..it is supposed to have double wall for insulation
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post Mar 15 2017, 07:14 PM

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QUOTE(hbgoh57 @ Mar 15 2017, 07:11 PM)
Yes because my unit is seperated from the water pump unit and i have slightly more privacy as my front door is not facing another unit's door
Not sure about unit next to water pump though..it is supposed to have double wall for insulation
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Oh really ? The break tank/pump room is mandated to be double walled ?
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post Mar 15 2017, 07:27 PM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Mar 15 2017, 07:14 PM)
Oh really ? The break tank/pump room is mandated to be double walled ?
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Not sure whether it is a regulation or not but that what the SA told me
I assume developers will be smart enough to have adequate sound proofing for neighbouring water pump units
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post Mar 15 2017, 07:35 PM

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QUOTE(hbgoh57 @ Mar 15 2017, 07:27 PM)
Not sure whether it is a regulation or not but that what the SA told me
I assume developers will be smart enough to have adequate sound proofing for neighbouring water pump units
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From SA and assume. LOL.


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post Oct 20 2019, 01:01 PM

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Hello,

Would like to seek advice from people who are staying near break tank, how bad is the noise / vibration when it is functioning? If got a unit right opposite the break tank, what are the risk that the homeowner should prepare to face?

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post Nov 1 2019, 05:26 PM

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QUOTE(boonyu @ Oct 20 2019, 01:01 PM)
Hello,

Would like to seek advice from people who are staying near break tank, how bad is the noise / vibration when it is functioning? If got a unit right opposite the break tank, what are the risk that the homeowner should prepare to face?

Thank you. notworthy.gif
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Hi Boonyu ,

I have a unit which at 3 level below from the breaktank but still exposed to noise every hour and every second . You will experinces the noise from pump like humming sound and water flow sound or bangging sound from the pump room if the room not have proper treatment . the water pump will running 24 hour due to high usage for whole building so the noise will not stop and if the pump room without noise and vibration treatment , you will possible will listen the humming noise from pump room every second . The low frequency vibration generate from pump will transfer the noise to the near by unit follow the wall structure and if long term exposure will cause the health issue such like sleeping disturb and hypertention .

As you said the breaktank opposite the parcel unit , so you need to see the exhaust fan location as well , the exhaust fan also could generate noise in the corridor if position on the corridor .

Of course this is depend the quality of developer . If they have proper treatment the room and consider the noise and vibration issue most of time should be no issue when select the near by breaktank .

Hope this advise will enough for you and answer your question .


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post Nov 1 2019, 07:53 PM

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And no way to guarantee the noise insulation until handover. Whatever verbal promises are just empty promises.
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post Nov 1 2019, 08:33 PM

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QUOTE(fishangler88 @ Nov 1 2019, 05:26 PM)
Hi Boonyu ,

I have a unit which at 3 level below from the breaktank but still exposed to noise every hour and every second . You will experinces the noise from pump like humming sound and water flow sound or bangging sound from the pump room if the room not have proper treatment .  the water pump will running 24 hour due to high usage for whole building so the noise will not stop and if the pump room without noise and vibration treatment  , you will possible will listen the humming noise from pump room every second . The low frequency vibration generate from pump will transfer the noise to the near by unit follow the wall structure and if long term exposure will cause the health issue such like sleeping disturb and hypertention .

As you said the breaktank opposite the parcel unit , so you need to see the exhaust fan location as well , the exhaust fan also could generate noise in the corridor if position on the corridor .

Of course this is depend the quality of developer . If they have proper treatment the room and consider the noise and vibration issue most of time should be no issue when select the near by breaktank . 

Hope this advise will enough for you and answer your question .
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Wow, appreciate the insight for this. Yeah my concern is the noise and vibration cause my break tank and I am not sure whether to consider the unit or not.

Thank you

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post Nov 2 2019, 05:35 PM

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QUOTE(boonyu @ Nov 1 2019, 08:33 PM)
Wow, appreciate the insight for this. Yeah my concern is the noise and vibration cause my break tank and I am not sure whether to consider the unit or not.

Thank you
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Hi Boonyu ,

You may check details with developer whether they have do sound proof and vibration design for break tank room or not and sound test during commissioning . As for your information , the vibration could delivery into structure if the pump not proper isolated as well . In safety term we call as structure boned noise and if over certain limit of vibration will cause building cracking issue in future .


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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 12 2017, 11:45 AM)
Well lower at lvl 12 should be fine..
Don't buy same level as the pump..
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How about right above "break tank"?
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QUOTE(fishangler88 @ Nov 1 2019, 05:26 PM)
Hi Boonyu ,

I have a unit which at 3 level below from the breaktank but still exposed to noise every hour and every second . You will experinces the noise from pump like humming sound and water flow sound or bangging sound from the pump room if the room not have proper treatment .  the water pump will running 24 hour due to high usage for whole building so the noise will not stop and if the pump room without noise and vibration treatment  , you will possible will listen the humming noise from pump room every second . The low frequency vibration generate from pump will transfer the noise to the near by unit follow the wall structure and if long term exposure will cause the health issue such like sleeping disturb and hypertention .

As you said the breaktank opposite the parcel unit , so you need to see the exhaust fan location as well , the exhaust fan also could generate noise in the corridor if position on the corridor .

Of course this is depend the quality of developer . If they have proper treatment the room and consider the noise and vibration issue most of time should be no issue when select the near by breaktank . 

Hope this advise will enough for you and answer your question .
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Hi, I was wondering what is the best solution to this problem? Is there a soundproofing contractor we can hire? Somebody whom could install a layer of wall / tile /fiberglass on to all walls in the condo / ceiling to reduce this low frequency noise vibration? Im very eager to know..
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post Oct 5 2020, 01:29 PM

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Now many condo place the pump room at ground floor, u have at least 4-5 levels of carpark to dampen the noise

unless it's low cost flat then they resort to use cheap low powered pump that have to be placed at higher floor

my project has 42 storey and pump room is at ground floor. no problem with water pressure for those at level 40 and above
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post Oct 7 2020, 08:18 PM

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QUOTE(core9design @ Oct 4 2020, 09:57 PM)
Hi, I was wondering what is the best solution to this problem? Is there a soundproofing contractor we can hire? Somebody whom could install a layer of wall /  tile /fiberglass on to all walls in the condo / ceiling to reduce this low frequency noise vibration? Im very eager to know..
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Hi core9design , the best way is mitigation of pump room or put the pump room at level group and far from residential area . As a lot of residential high rise building development will select one of residential unit as break tank if the building are high level and developer would like to saving the cost of pump due to use less power pump and smaller size pump . however some of developer forget noise treatment the pump room is much expensive than purchased quality pump . If really experiences the noise disturbance from pump room , could refer to building acoustic consultant to get solution and they will find the noise path generated from pump room . The type of noise have to measure which are air borne noise or structure borne noise generated from pump and piping which attached on the structure of building . Once identify the path of noise , than need to isolated the noise transmitted out of from pump room . Few engineering action can adopt in control the noise path such as install vibration isolator on piping and pump to avoid vibration transmit into building . This could solve the structure borne noise . Air borne noise could resolve with install with sound barrier like sound proof layer at wall to absorb noise wave generate from pump and avoid the sound wave reflect to other area . My advise is find the noise source than identify and isolate it . If you need more details on noise and vibration control , you may can refer DOSH noise and vibration guidelines as for references .
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post Oct 7 2020, 08:27 PM

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QUOTE(michaelchang @ Oct 5 2020, 01:29 PM)
Now many condo place the pump room at ground floor, u have at least 4-5 levels of carpark to dampen the noise

unless it's low cost flat then they resort to use cheap low powered pump that have to be placed at higher floor

my project has 42 storey and pump room is at ground floor. no problem with water pressure for those at level 40 and above
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Hi Michael , I agreed with you , the pump room should place on ground floor far from residential area . Some more a lot pump efficiency have been improve a lot which can perform without break cistern anymore . However this depend design and knowledge from architect and consultant , i have saw some luxuries high price project also have include design of break tank .

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QUOTE(boonyu @ Oct 20 2019, 01:01 PM)
Hello,

Would like to seek advice from people who are staying near break tank, how bad is the noise / vibration when it is functioning? If got a unit right opposite the break tank, what are the risk that the homeowner should prepare to face?

Thank you. notworthy.gif
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Fishlanger giving really good insight

We agent propose client also at least two floor away from water tank unless it’s really no choice.
I heard some tenant complain before, his unit beside water tank, he move out within a month as can’t bear the sound

Same to highest level as worry on leaking issues

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post Oct 9 2020, 02:10 PM

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QUOTE(JonathanIB @ Oct 7 2020, 10:28 PM)
Fishlanger giving really good insight

We agent propose client also at least two floor away from water tank unless it’s really no choice.
I heard some tenant complain before, his unit beside water tank, he move out within a month as can’t bear the sound

Same to highest level as worry on leaking issues
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Hi Jonathan ,

This is the truth where the unit under the pump will expose to noise if the noise and vibration which not are proper isolated . Especially the water pump will running 24 hour is like the vacuum cleaner will humming behind of you 24 hour . This is will cause of serious sleep disturbance especially those family who have early born baby will more suffer in this kind of environment . The noise propagation is depend the quality of building and thickness of floor. For your understanding the structure of building is connected , those vibration and noise will transfer pump noise into building and can propagation more than 6 level if you unit are direct under the pump location . No matter how break tank pump room far from your unit as building is connected by structure and wall , the noise still can transfer into your unit . The noise and vibration is form by energy and the energy will reduce after filter few layer by floor , however this depend the density and harness of floor whether can fully reduce the noise and vibration energy . If unable reduce the noise and vibration than most properly will effected and facing noise nuisance .

Vibration could lead to crack issue , if the building are expose under steady state vibration and short term vibration from environment if building which not proper design by arkitek and civil engineer . This situation such like some gravel put into small river after few year or certain year the surface of gravel will become smooth due to friction of water between with gravel surface . The building exposure in vibration will be same , seem like ok from initial stage but after few year the internal crack in structure will appear .



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QUOTE(fishangler88 @ Oct 9 2020, 02:10 PM)
Hi Jonathan ,

This is the truth where the unit under the pump will expose to noise if the noise and vibration which not are proper isolated . Especially the water pump will running 24 hour is like the vacuum cleaner will humming behind of you 24 hour . This is will cause of serious sleep disturbance especially those family who have early born baby will more suffer in this kind of environment .  The noise propagation is depend the quality of building and thickness of floor.  For your understanding the structure of building is connected , those vibration and noise will transfer pump noise into building and can propagation more than 6 level if you unit are direct under the pump location . No matter how break tank pump room far from your unit as building is connected by structure and wall , the noise still can transfer into your unit . The noise and vibration is form by energy and the energy will reduce after filter few layer by floor , however this depend the density and harness of floor whether can fully reduce the noise and vibration energy . If unable reduce the noise and vibration than most properly will effected and facing noise nuisance .

Vibration could lead to crack issue , if the building are expose under steady state vibration and short term vibration from environment if building  which not proper design by arkitek and civil engineer  . This situation such like some gravel put into small river after few year or certain year the surface of gravel will become smooth due to friction of water  between with gravel surface . The building exposure in vibration will be same , seem like ok from initial stage but after few year the internal crack in structure will appear .
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Sorry maybe my english mislead.
I totally agree with u. I really dont like either. I agree with u bro !
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Hi if a Unit is directly above a break tank, will there be noise problems? Thanks!

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