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post Mar 19 2017, 07:48 PM


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QUOTE(wengherng @ Mar 19 2017, 03:14 PM)
Poor fellow.
But then again, he could be one of those early adopters who have 12000 BTC in his account, so losing 120 BTC might mean nothing to him.
Who knows.
By the way, why do you say the flippening guarantees 70-80? Is there a source for this?
I honestly don't care too much about which side wins.
Just as long as there is a final outcome and just get the hell on with it.
The current stalemate situation is not helping anyone.
Congratulations if you still have Dash......it seems that it just won't give up.
Although...I'm still glad I cashed out of it already.
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The dude opened a reddit thread, looks like this will be his last margin call. at least he'll hodl now and become much better off.

$70-80 is a conservative estimate, around 30% of BTC holder wouldn't capitulate post fork and would rather migrate to other coins.

Around 5 billion entering ETH would suck out liquidity and the price goes parabolic. some are suggesting four figure ETH which is total nonsense.

Edit: another bullish indicator for ETH, PoS researcher recommends slashing miner rewards to avoid similar case of BTC miners having too much power over their community.

https://twitter.com/VladZamfir/status/843445814420783105

Great for hodlers like myself!

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post Mar 20 2017, 11:42 AM


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QUOTE(klthor @ Mar 20 2017, 09:29 AM)
slashing reward for eth ? miner will switch over to substitute ETC i suppose. and when supply for eth drops, prices goes up and miner will come back.... however i have really bad feeling on eth price now, i was in eth since the price of 8usd ish and it rise to 22usd and then poof dao hack and drop back to 10usd ish and slowly getting it price up till 20usd and went crazy within 3days and stable at 40usd now..... bad feeling is, something is gonna happen and hammer down the price soon. i wish itcould reach 80 usd, profit is good smile.gif but based on my guess, its speculation and after speculate its profit realisation.....
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Read this first before saying it's speculation.

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I've been following all forms of fundamental trends around ETH for over a year now. Hashrate, address growth, redditor subscription and activity, developer growth and EEA style adoption etc.

But nothing screams flippening like seeing actual long time bitcoiners converting most if not all their coins to ETH.
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post Mar 20 2017, 12:01 PM


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QUOTE(klthor @ Mar 20 2017, 11:47 AM)
double posted. stupid mouse.

not to waste this post, the fundamental im looking for is people understand the usage of eth.... software companies using it as fuel, but when fuel become so expensive... do you still use it as fuel ?
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Okay, this gets thrown out a lot.

ETH is programmable money, it is already better than Bitcoin today for transactions, it will become a better store of value once PoS is live. Just look at what DASH is doing with their masternodes.

The gas price dynamically adjusts to the price of Ether, even if each ETH is worth $10000 the fees will remain affordable.

Don't tell me Fortune 500 didn't do their due diligence before announcing an alliance. Their reputation is on the line you know?


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post Mar 20 2017, 12:11 PM


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QUOTE(klthor @ Mar 20 2017, 12:01 PM)
anyway, like i have said before. im one of those who benefited from higher eth price. i just felt tat it is not right to keep quiet while every1 rushing to eth like a gold mine. it can collapse anytime but at same time double or triple your money.... fundamental, there isnt any if you ask me. but if there is fundamental, the impact is extremely less because 90% of the people do not know what is eth. if fundamental matters, etc price should be more or less the same price as eth because it is the same thing (maybe i missed something as im not really a technical guy).
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You see. you don't get it.

Stop looking at the price and try to understand where we're going with this tech.

This isn't about just a company, or a country or continent, this is planetary scale, and scalability allows billions to be a part of it.

A redditor mentioned this a few days back when we touched $55. Don't count your dollar profits/loses, focus on accumulating ETH as much as you can.

End of the day we don't need USD once the tech matures.

A house would be valued at 500 ETH for all we know.

Mainstream media will eventually report this once further advancements are made, the key is you grab some before the others.
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post Mar 20 2017, 12:20 PM


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QUOTE(klthor @ Mar 20 2017, 12:13 PM)
a house will be value at 500 eth. you are using it as a currency instead of a fuel for software. anyway, i have achieve my objective. you guys out there, the day we do not need to use RM, USD had arrived. good luck my friends, turn all your RM into ETH before dooms day.
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Nope, I never once mention all into ETH, but zero in ETH at this point is unfortunate.

Don't be a maximalist and try to learn it at your pace.

Archangel also, time is running short.

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post Mar 20 2017, 12:28 PM


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QUOTE(archangel22 @ Mar 20 2017, 12:13 PM)
Yes that's why I was trying to tell Wootz here. biggrin.gif

I'm fine investing in any other crypto, but until I find the use case of ETH, it's all papers. ETH devs keep on building infrastructure (EEA, forks, etc.) but no one actually using it, yet. Fine, there are some crypto enthusiasts willing to spend money and time trying it. But that happened in any kind of innovation, including Bitcoin. The difference now is that Bitcoin has been used for 8yrs.

And for Bitcoin, there's no PR, nor a person like Vitalik Buterin giving the call. Yes they build a consensus algorithm, but still Buterin is the single point of failure, both in crypto or physical world. What if his dad told him to buy Bitcoin, or his future wife is a maximalist bitcoiner. Maybe too ridiculous, but wait till something like that happen to that person. ETH to the very core/founder, is centralized.
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Circle and alphabay is using it tho. Bitpay will also eventually capitulate.

Still papers meh?

And bitcoiners gradually stop using it this month, that's why mempool so chill, all run off elsewhere liao.

Don't be emotional when the transition occurs, think why it's happening now.

Why miners chill during 2012-2016, then now suddenly rushing to fork and core vs btu began?
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post Mar 20 2017, 12:48 PM


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QUOTE(klthor @ Mar 20 2017, 12:38 PM)
mining is extremely profitable around late 2015 to early 2016 before dao hack. even eth at 40usd cant even get half of what i earn in early 2016. i believe in dao, but ended up being silly (i still have a few of them, do you want it?) . from there i learn we can not believe 100% on what the dev said as we have min knowledge on everything. including what is dao, what is eth, wat it can do and dev never going to tell us the weaknesses of the coin. or maybe they dont even know the weaknesses that is why dao hack happens (which is not really a hack, some1 just abuse the weaknesses within dao). eth never meant to be a currency, it is a fuel to begin with.
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We have had formal verifications since then, google if you're curious, we will get another DAO eventually, with escape hatches and all. It's programmable money, it can be anything it wants, keys to car, house, locker also can.

Please research further on smart contracts.
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post Mar 20 2017, 01:08 PM


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QUOTE(klthor @ Mar 20 2017, 12:56 PM)
nah i dun need uncle google to teach me what is eth, i know what a smart contract is and what it does. i used to be a fan boy, but now im a casual guy. eth promises to go POS (and delayed over and over again) which is what i used to think wow thats great... but now, i think POS will create even more problems (do not ask me why, its hard to explain to fan boys). so which alt coins give me more profit i will go to them aka mere speculation method. if they re-announce dao, i will jump in for a few if the price is ok. but again, its mere speculation and gamble again.... not believing in dao can make the world runs on itself.
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Ok man. Just be sure to diversify.
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post Mar 20 2017, 02:28 PM


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QUOTE(kmarc @ Mar 20 2017, 01:22 PM)
Cool. Are you targeting any altcoins at the moment?
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Edit:

Oops, scratch that. Qtum seems sketchy as heck.



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post Mar 20 2017, 09:17 PM


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GDAX adds margin trading for BTC, ETH and LTC.

Nice!
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post Mar 21 2017, 09:11 AM


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QUOTE(wengherng @ Mar 20 2017, 11:41 PM)
I wouldn't touch margin trading with a 10-foot pole.
But great for those who do.
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Only that they allow millionaires to touch.

Positive signs for institutional investors.

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post Mar 22 2017, 03:25 PM


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Once Vitalik writes up a blog post regarding the hybrid POW/POS. I'd expect the price to resume its climb.

That's both a reduction of issuance and a testbed for scalability.

Exciting times for the year quarter ahead

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post Mar 23 2017, 08:27 AM


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Following up after margin trading, now Coinbase/GDAX is opening up to New York customers today

Home to 390,000 millionaires, expect wilder price movements!
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post Mar 24 2017, 06:57 AM


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QUOTE(kmarc @ Mar 23 2017, 06:18 PM)
Ok, I better stop procrastinating and start on the guide to complement those in v1.

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Good effort!

I'd would recommend a list of features of each coin, like total supply, issuance, and block times! Ethereum is very fast! Like 30 seconds for decent confirmation, at only $0.02.

Another good advice is a news section with links on development of each coin.

Like today Storj just migrated to ETH chain!

Edit: I don't recommend relying this on trades, but it's a cool way to spot price trends.

Whenever it says long, price is going up, if it says short, the price is diving.

Crypto bot on twitter

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QUOTE(kmarc @ Mar 24 2017, 08:13 AM)
Thx. Yes, please add some more! biggrin.gif

Hope to get suggestions and contribution from others too!

I'm almost finished. Will post the last bits later on. smile.gif
Was thinking about that too but that would make the guide too bloated. I have a tendency to do that so I try to keep it short this time. However, I think providing links to the coin's website and coin's news would be better. I can do that in the 2nd post as it is my post.  I guess we only do for major coin's?

Please provide important links and I will update on the 2nd post. First post we will reserve for the guide which wengherng has to maintain. Haha. wink.gif

Say, what's the implication for Storjcoin if it migrates? I bought a bit of Siacoin which seems to function like this coin. Was actually thinking of getting some of storjcoin when it started shooting up.
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It's not about Storj's functionalities that mattered the most, it's their reason for the switch. The fees are getting unsustainable and they finally picked another chain.

This is enough for some bitcoiners to throw in the towel and convert to ETH, thus the flippening continues on.

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QUOTE(syirbiznatch @ Mar 24 2017, 11:20 AM)
So far, is it worth it to invest in this crypto world? quiet scary if you ask me
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Here's a tip, when you start going down the rabbit hole, you only put in an amount you're willing to let go.

"Oh I lost RM100, oh well"

You keep doing this every week/month while tracking your cost, if the price dives, you just watch only, don't do anything, it'll always return as long as the system isn't in danger.

If it rises significantly, like say +50%, you take profit and earn back your cost. Then you resume the buying schedule.

I've been doing this since August 2015 and I've never lost anything at all, just regret didn't save more whenever I can.

Be sure to safeguard your coins, if you don't want to spend money on hardware wallets, then you need to learn how to setup a paper wallet.
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post Mar 25 2017, 07:42 AM


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Good day gentlemen, what a fine day to check on the crypto price today.

Happy trading!
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QUOTE(kmarc @ Mar 25 2017, 08:29 AM)
Good morning crypto EnTHusiasts!!!!! ETH at it again. ATH!!!!

Now I can really conclude that flippening is happening (WooTZ going to scold me) and money is pouring into altcoins. Almost all the altcoins I hold has increased in value. My next objective is to research low volume coins to see any potential coins.
No wonder!! Every time I google the word, computer parts came out!!! biggrin.gif

@wengherng, do correct the mistake. Thx!
Cool. Going to check it out later. I guess it also accepts MYR?
Good morning ETH sifu!!! Still cheap to buy ETH? biggrin.gif
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GDAX and Korea doing us a big favor by suppressing it.

Anytime before mid April is cheap.
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post Mar 26 2017, 02:21 PM


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QUOTE(kmarc @ Mar 26 2017, 11:43 AM)
You should have shown me this : https://ethereum.network/projects

I keep on scrolling and scrolling down... so many projects! Impressive!  thumbup.gif

I'm updating the 2nd post, need important links for ethereum. Please provide the links if you have them. Thx.

Also found this old news : http://www.inc.com/brian-d-evans/heres-why...-on-ethere.html

Never realized how well-accepted ETH is!

Going to take a bigger bite this afternoon.  icon_question.gif

Edit : Oh ya, I'm curious on what would happen if, in the unlikely event, ETH hits, say USD500 per coin. Wouldn't it make the network expensive? Or the higher the price the better it is?  hmm.gif
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/r/Ethereum
Fundamental news related to Ethereum ecosystem goes here, core developers conduct meetings on the first and third Fridays each month, so users can view the entire conversation or read the transcripts provided.

/r/ethtrader
Price related discussion and future movements goes here.

there's this weekly newsletter that summarizes all the Ethereum related events for your viewing pleasure.

Week in Ethereum

When PoS goes live, higher market cap is good for security, tokens will be expensive for attacks and depositors reap higher rewards, gas price wouldn't be an issue as they have their separate pricing mechanisms for it.



QUOTE(soonming @ Mar 26 2017, 12:19 PM)
Looks like I am missing a big opportunity here. Don't even know where to start to get some and how safe it is as my knowledge on these is zero!

Hope still got time. Which I feel is fast running out...
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Subscribing to this weekly Ethereum news update would be highly beneficial

He's done a very good job of consolidating all Ethereum related news into bite sized links and notable dates.

Enjoy reading all of them!

Week in Ethereum

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post Mar 26 2017, 06:32 PM


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QUOTE(kmarc @ Mar 26 2017, 05:59 PM)
Cool! Updated!  rclxms.gif

Owh.... errmm.... don't understand the explanation in terms of why it is good for security and expensive for attacks.  sweat.gif Anyway, as long as higher prices doesn't chase projects away from Ethereum, I'm ok with that.  smile.gif
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The cool thing about POS, just like what Vlad Zamfir said, all attacker attempts would be like burning down their ASIC farm in POW, having to top up their ETH constantly because their deposit gets burned.

Plus, even if they managed to achieve 51%, we would just hard fork away and render them altcoins.

If gas price is $0.02 at $50 ETH, it'd still be adjusted to $0.02 at $500 ETH.

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