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post May 16 2017, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(WooTz @ May 16 2017, 11:19 AM)
Okay..... two things will certainly going to happen by the end of this week, a massive bubble burst of ripple, or it overtakes Bitcoin.

It's very ludicrous but it's what I see now.
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Damn......over USD 12 billion market cap now.
Seems like a real possibility to overtake BTC, though I personally doubt it.
I think it might go near, but profit taking and FUD will prick the bubble and send it crashing down.
BUT, I still think that the bottom of the valley, once it's crashed down, will still be higher than when it started the meteoric ascension.
So, I think I am going to hold out on this one.

Damn, where's that crystal ball when you need one......

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post May 16 2017, 04:16 PM

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QUOTE(kmarc @ May 16 2017, 01:50 PM)
Meaning it opened at double the price? Hmmm, no wonder people take profit straight away. Hoping mobilego won't have such scenario.

Might consider getting some if it drops further. What was the estimate investment price?

2 only? I thought at least 5! biggrin.gif
No idea. Please use uncle google. wink.gif
Shucks, most of my GAME already in mobilego crowd sale. Should have bought a bit more. Oh well.....
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It actually opened around 6000 sats if I remember correctly, but now dropped to around 2900 sats.
I went in during the first round, where there were some bonus issues, so my initial investment price was around 2380 sats (getting near to making a loss...) sad.gif

QUOTE(klthor @ May 16 2017, 03:10 PM)
lol. i hit 5 times of the wallet price... im a cheapskate, so i scatter all my crypto here and there like polo, xbitasia, bittrex pc wallet, and lappy etc... guess its time for me to invest in a proper wallet. thanks for the guidelines.
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Well, that could be a way too, to spread all your investments across various platforms.
If anything, at least it makes it very convenient to trade on the go, instead of having to wait for the transfer from a hardware wallet.
I'm just lazy to keep track of so many platforms and so many passwords and 2FA...... haha. sweat.gif

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post May 16 2017, 11:09 PM

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Received my Ledger Nano S today! rclxm9.gif
Going to set it up now.

In any case, I've been reading too much news on either side of the divide, whether the euphoria and hype in the crypto-world since March has reached its peak and the bubble is going to burst bringing the doomsday of crypto with it......or we are just starting to see the beginning of an era-defining change in the world of finance and economy that will forever change the world.

I am just going to say "screw it all" and stop all trading for the next few days, or a week or two.
Whether Ripple comes crashing down bringing all my profits to zero, or ETH going to reach USD 1000 next week......come what may, let it be.
I'm exhausted, I need a break.
Going to sit on the side lines for a couple of days.

But to all my crypto-buddies here......happy trading, and may the odds be ever in your favour! smile.gif
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post May 16 2017, 11:46 PM

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QUOTE(1malaysiajib @ May 16 2017, 11:19 PM)
I haven't touched my ledger yet. would open it tomorrow and set it up
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You'll love it.
It took me just a few minutes to set the whole thing up.
Now I'm in the process of transferring all my precious coins to it. smile.gif

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post May 17 2017, 08:07 AM

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QUOTE(kmarc @ May 17 2017, 06:52 AM)
True or not. Red army is coming wor......  tongue.gif

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Well, maybe buy a bit from the side lines if I happen to have some spare cash. smile.gif
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post May 17 2017, 02:33 PM

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QUOTE(blueblueoutofblue @ May 17 2017, 12:50 PM)

my First buy on Ripple when it was 0.21, above 1 week ago... ( one guy here invested USD5000 on 0.05... technically this guy will be damn rich lol  )
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I actually didn't know what my original entry price was, so I went and calculated just now.
Apparently I bought when XRP was at 5122 sats, but at that time Bitcoin was only around USD 1100, so effectively my entry price was around USD 0.056.
Not bad, for one and a half months of investment. smile.gif

Unfortunately, I only put in a few hundred bucks, so no, I'm not a millionaire yet. sweat.gif

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post May 17 2017, 06:38 PM

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Looking at all these sudden massive increases, makes me wanna sell off and cash out my profits.
But then I remember how people were doing the same thing when bitcoin rose from a few cents to one dollar.
And we know the rest is history.

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post May 18 2017, 02:46 PM

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QUOTE(kmarc @ May 18 2017, 02:22 PM)
Yeah, looks like it. Oh well, I'll be hodling mine for now.... alone..... sad.gif
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You are not alone...... I am stubbornly holding on as well. console.gif

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post May 18 2017, 03:10 PM

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QUOTE(jack2 @ May 18 2017, 02:58 PM)
Hi Sifu of Ledger 2,

Can I install multiple ledger nano S on different computers and use the hardware to access the account?

If the wallet rosak, how to recover the bitcoin address ah?
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The Ledger Nano S does not recognise any particular computer.
As long as the computer has the Chrome app installed, it can access the hardware wallet and retrieve the information (sort of like any computer can access the information on a USB memory stick).

If the wallet is broken for whatever reason, get a new wallet and initiate the recovery process using the 24-word recovery phrase.
The same 24-word recovery phase will then grant you access back to all your various coins stored on that Ledger Nano S.
Make sure you write down these 24 words and store them in a VERY safe and secure location.
If they're lost, then your coins are lost.


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post May 18 2017, 04:10 PM

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QUOTE(jack2 @ May 18 2017, 03:19 PM)
Thank you Sifus..

So the Chrome Ledger Apps has its Bitcoin/ETH addresses and all the time are same?

I written down the key on the card, and also write in Phase-Apps...

I feel not comfortable to send all my coins to this wallet rather than to keep in Polo.
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Wait, I don't understand......you're saying that you feel uncomfortable sending your coins to the hardware wallet, compared to leaving them on an online exchange...???
Hardware wallets are the most secure to store your coins, whereas online exchanges like Polo are the absolute worst places to store your coins......why would you feel uncomfortable with a hardware wallet?

Just to clarify, the computer Chrome app does NOT store any information regarding your coins.
The program is merely an interface for you to SEE what's stored in your hardware wallet, and serves as the interface when you want to send or receive coins.
The private keys are always stored in the hardware wallet only.
This is the reason why the Ledger Nano S can be used on any computer, and it's just plug and play.

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post May 18 2017, 06:14 PM

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QUOTE(kmarc @ May 18 2017, 06:05 PM)
Errrmmm.... I actually not comfortable sending coins to the hardware wallet too. There's a few things I need to do before I fee safe:

1) Hardware wallet and recovery seed
- Must not be in the same physical location. If kept in the same location and something happens, like the physical location got burnt down, then bye bye coins as you lost the recovery seed.
- Cannot simply keep recovery seed anywhere you want. Why? Because somebody with the 24-word recovery seed can just get a hardware wallet, use the seed, and empty the wallet!

2) Need to enable passphrase
- I need to look into this but it looks like the setup is simple
- With a passphrase, even if somebody got access to you 24-word recovery seed, they still won't see the hidden wallet inside
- Without a passphrse, if somebody got hold of your recovery seed, then bye bye coins.

I'm actually afraid to active the passphrase as I have my coins in Trezor. I'm afraid I cannot access it when I activate it but it looks simple and safe enough.

Have you tried to use the passphrase? Trezor setup looks simple. Ledger looks a bit complicated.
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Well, you know what they say, the hardware wallet and the recovery seed is as good as cash itself......the person who holds the hardware wallet or recovery seed (and therefore by extension, holds the private keys) controls the coins.
You wouldn't leave your cash lying around, so in the same manner you shouldn't leave your hardware wallet or the recovery seed lying around either.

I don't have a Trezor, and have not activated any pass-phrase on my Ledger. hmm.gif
Will need to look into it shortly.
At the moment, I only have the PIN-number activated (which I know, only secures the Ledger but won't help if someone else found my recovery seed).

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QUOTE(kmarc @ May 18 2017, 06:15 PM)
Yeah, that's the problem. Pin doesn't help if somebody gets hold of the recovery seed.

I think passphrase would be the best.
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You're referring to the passphrase which activates the hidden wallet feature, right?
It can be activated any time you want, in the Settings > Security menu.

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QUOTE(shahrul09 @ May 18 2017, 03:44 PM)
Err that the website of the puzzle designer.
He put up several puzzle already.
Before this for decred. Almost 8k prize for that.
Now still not yet solve, litecoin puzzle.
Crack thw puzzle to find the private key and go to the wallet address to claim your 200+ litecoin.
I have give up after trying like 5-6days.
Waiting for another hint.
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I opened the image and didn't even understand what I was looking at.
Guess it's not for me. sad.gif

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QUOTE(wiisg @ May 19 2017, 09:42 AM)
Omg all these coins fly so fast that it's almost tired to keep track of. Any chance btc is dipping soon? Want to stock up some btc but it only goes up and never down.. So much speculation of it being a bubble but it looks like a bubble made of steel and it's not bursting lol
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Remember that when BTC went from USD 1 dollar to USD 100 dollars, people were also saying that it was a bubble and the price was too expensive and not sustainable.
When the price goes to USD 10k, it really wouldn't matter very much whether you bought at USD 1700 or USD 1900.


QUOTE(peja5081 @ May 19 2017, 09:56 AM)
Me too.just start mining using nicehash gui.but im mining into coinbase wallet.lter found that coinbase does not support Malaysia
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That's not a problem, just send your coins from Coinbase to either Luno or XBit Asia in order to withdraw Malaysian Ringgit directly.
Alternatively you can sell on Localbitcoins or Remitano also.

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QUOTE(lowya @ May 19 2017, 10:00 AM)
the risk of losing cryptocurrency by means of misplacement/forgetfulness/corrupt_hdd/stolen/fire/theft/hacker  is much higher than a bank going bankrupt or RM losing value, agree?

so, i wonder what motivates you guys going for cryptocurrency? (i have to presume you don't need to buy drugs or firearm). if you want trading/investment, there are many futures/fx/commodity/shares trading.
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Nope, I don't agree at all.
The risk of "losing" your cryptocurrency is actually pretty low if you exercise common sense and do your due diligence in terms of security. Cryptocurrency is just like cash, so it should be treated as such. Don't do anything with it that you wouldn't do with cash.
I am currently working outside of Malaysia, and my salary has actually increased 40% over the last 3 years purely from the RM depreciation itself. I would say that's a pretty high risk.

Of course, traditional investment vehicles like shares and unit trusts, etc. are also very important for diversification, and I do hold them as well. No arguments there.

But cryptocurrency is not merely another form of investment.
It is the future, and it is happening now.
Not since the development of the Internet, has there been another invention that will so fundamentally change the world we live in, in a financial, economic, real-life everyday sense.
And we are now on the brink of it, at the infancy stage, and we now have the opportunity to be a part of it from the beginning.

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QUOTE(lowya @ May 19 2017, 10:41 AM)
thanks for your reply, after reading not sure what is your motivation for cryptocurrencies.

if u use hardware wallet, the storage risk is equivalent to storing cash under the pillow. Other choices has more risk.

If the motivation is for capital gain, then the volatility is something a trader would like, but investor would hate.

like to hear from others, what actually motivates them into cryptocurrencies.
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If you look at it purely from an investment point of view, then, as kmarc said, it is an extremely high risk investment vehicle, with potentially ridiculous returns.
For example, I bought ether (ETH) at below USD 17 each, just two months ago.
It's trading at just above USD 100 at the moment.

More than USD 30 billion flowed into the cryptocurrency market capitalisation over the past few weeks alone, which is the main reason the demand is driving up the prices in general.
And this is the reason why I said that cryptocurrency is fundamentally changing the financial world, not only for investment alone, but in an everyday, real-life sense.
For example, the massive 800% inflation in Venezuela, the sudden overnight demonetization in India last year, etc......all these situations which are out of the control of the average person (you and me) necessitates a system that is decentralised, not able to be controlled by any single country, government or entity, that is truly global and without borders.

I put my money in cryptocurrencies not simply because I will make money from it, but because I believe in future, it will *be* money.

And by the way, that's close, but not a perfect analogy.
If someone steals my cash under my pilllow, the cash is gone. With a hardware wallet, I can buy another hardware wallet anytime and activate it using my secure recovery seed, and I will get access to all my coins again. smile.gif


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QUOTE(blueblueoutofblue @ May 19 2017, 12:52 PM)
yummy ! god of fortune for those who bough below $17 @_@
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Our mate WooTz here got in when ETH was still in the low single digits. blink.gif
He's the real-life crypto-millionaire here...! notworthy.gif


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Woah...... I left for a few hours and suddenly EMC2 went up by 100%...?!!
What the hell happened???

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QUOTE(kmarc @ May 19 2017, 02:22 PM)
Altcoins going crazy. It's 130% BTW.... smile.gif
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Pump and dump again.
It'll correct soon enough.
Guess I'll just hold on.
But to be honest, seeing a 600% profit on the books is a really good feeling. biggrin.gif

But the really good thing is, usually after every major pump and dump, even after the subsequent correction, the aftermath price is still higher than before the pump.
And with the spike, it gains a lot of exposure and now more people will start to pay attention to the coin, thereby also increasing its demand.
All in all, a good thing.

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QUOTE(Enigmatic @ May 19 2017, 02:43 PM)
Even IT Professionals have problems understanding the blockchain, and cryptocurrencies would make much less sense (usually people will say there is a backdoor, there is an ulterior motive, it won't be accepted by legal bodies etc).

Or maybe I just explain things poorly.
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Don't worry......at least you tried.
30 years ago, nobody would have understood if you told them that one day, you would have communication devices the size of your palm, which can let you search through encyclopedias of information and also lets you talk to another person face-to-face, via video, in real-time, and best of all, FOR FREE (well OK, not totally free, you still need to pay for your data plan).
Fortune favours the brave and the bold.


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