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Maybe. Who knows. Until smart-contract for Bitcoin RSK come in play http://www.rsk.co then I'll decide to buy ETH or not. 
You're welcome to buy at $100 bro, good luck with anything past 1MB. I mean it.Bitcoin and other Cryptocurrencies v2
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QUOTE(archangel22 @ Mar 12 2017, 02:24 AM) Maybe. Who knows. Until smart-contract for Bitcoin RSK come in play http://www.rsk.co then I'll decide to buy ETH or not. You're welcome to buy at $100 bro, good luck with anything past 1MB. I mean it. |
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QUOTE(WooTz @ Mar 12 2017, 02:35 AM) 1MB you mean the scalability issue in btc?Bitcoin is no longer just about technicalities (where eth and other altcoins are trying to solve). It touches real life use case of socials, economics, politics and even religion. I was worried abt the scaling debate, but i become less and less care abt it. One thing that make btc special is the timing. Btc is proving itself as store of value during global crisis and political issues while eth is busy with all these forks. I dont think i have luck in any get rich quick scheme, so i dont care how much price of eth later. Imo, if i ever gonna buy ETH, it must be able to explain itself in nontechnical, proof itself as store of value, and real use case. If eth ever come close to btc parity, i'll simply compare and switch. And im not buying eth in $$ or any form of fiat. |
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QUOTE(wengherng @ Mar 12 2017, 12:11 AM) As I mentioned before, in the weeks leading up to the SEC decision, the BTC prices have been greatly volatile, and as the vast majority of the community had already expected a rejection from SEC for the ETF, the prices of BTC had already factored that in......which means that it is unlikely that the prices will drop so drastically to USD 850 - 900. Haiyaaa.. how come you didn't tell me. Or maybe you did..... I had to consciously stop myself from jumping on the bandwagon and buying Dash......I envy the people making quick bucks due to the crazy hikes recently, but I just could not see the real reason behind the hikes, and had no confidence in the sustainability. As I am more of the paranoid type of investor, I think I will just stick to BTC and ETH. I wouldn't be able to handle the heart attacks. I now have BTC, DASH, ETH, XMR, XRP, XEM, ARDR, DCR, FCT, LTC, Maid, NXT and PASC,. Crazy right? No choice. Craziness + man-made craziness = two wrongs make a right. As mentioned previously, in my humblest opinion, I feel that this is the opportunity of a lifetime, something that we average people won't ever get. Either it goes to the moon or crash and burn, I'm going all the way. The ease of acquiring the coins, the inherently HUGE potential of upside (and downside) of this craziness and the borderless nature of cryptocurrencies (that enable us to use any exchange in the world), is an opportunity we will never get in our average life. Of course, for those reading my crazy post for the first time, do note that I'm only targeting about 10% of my total investments and not putting everything into this craziness. I'm still a paranoid safe investor.....ermmm... ok ok 90% safe and 10% crazy. The only thing holding me back is my hardware wallet. Will wait for that before I get more. QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Mar 12 2017, 01:24 AM) I use poloniex. As with all exchanges, the general view is that there is always risk of hackers. It is good to keep some of your coins in a safe place like hardware wallet, paper wallet or offline.Here's all the exchanges available : https://www.cryptocompare.com/coins/btc/markets/USD Some examples of theft : http://www.reuters.com/article/us-bitfinex...g-idUSKCN10E0KP http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016...-of-mt-gox.html QUOTE(WooTz @ Mar 12 2017, 02:10 AM) ETH achieved a new high! |
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QUOTE(archangel22 @ Mar 12 2017, 03:28 AM) 1MB you mean the scalability issue in btc? You really should be worried about Bitcoin technicalities, you have real business people like Circle and mining pool who's switching from BTC payments to ETH. Your use case is evaporating the longer the stalemate goes. Now battle for ETH ATH is within reach, and the consensus is 3-5x of current price to be fair value. By the time you switch, you'll be buying at a much higher prices. Bitcoin is no longer just about technicalities (where eth and other altcoins are trying to solve). It touches real life use case of socials, economics, politics and even religion. I was worried abt the scaling debate, but i become less and less care abt it. One thing that make btc special is the timing. Btc is proving itself as store of value during global crisis and political issues while eth is busy with all these forks. I dont think i have luck in any get rich quick scheme, so i dont care how much price of eth later. Imo, if i ever gonna buy ETH, it must be able to explain itself in nontechnical, proof itself as store of value, and real use case. If eth ever come close to btc parity, i'll simply compare and switch. And im not buying eth in $$ or any form of fiat. QUOTE(effectz @ Mar 12 2017, 10:09 AM) Genesis mining telan my 0.9 BTC a year ago, I'm still pissed. |
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QUOTE(kmarc @ Mar 12 2017, 09:45 AM) Haiyaaa.. how come you didn't tell me. Or maybe you did..... How to get started bro? I already open account with poloniex but dunno how to deposit USD into that account?I now have BTC, DASH, ETH, XMR, XRP, XEM, ARDR, DCR, FCT, LTC, Maid, NXT and PASC,. Crazy right? No choice. Craziness + man-made craziness = two wrongs make a right. As mentioned previously, in my humblest opinion, I feel that this is the opportunity of a lifetime, something that we average people won't ever get. Either it goes to the moon or crash and burn, I'm going all the way. The ease of acquiring the coins, the inherently HUGE potential of upside (and downside) of this craziness and the borderless nature of cryptocurrencies (that enable us to use any exchange in the world), is an opportunity we will never get in our average life. Of course, for those reading my crazy post for the first time, do note that I'm only targeting about 10% of my total investments and not putting everything into this craziness. I'm still a paranoid safe investor.....ermmm... ok ok 90% safe and 10% crazy. The only thing holding me back is my hardware wallet. Will wait for that before I get more. I use poloniex. As with all exchanges, the general view is that there is always risk of hackers. It is good to keep some of your coins in a safe place like hardware wallet, paper wallet or offline. Here's all the exchanges available : https://www.cryptocompare.com/coins/btc/markets/USD Some examples of theft : http://www.reuters.com/article/us-bitfinex...g-idUSKCN10E0KP http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016...-of-mt-gox.html ETH achieved a new high! |
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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Mar 12 2017, 01:24 AM) I use Poloniex amongst other exchanges. The good thing about Poloniex is that its got very high trading volumes, very liquid. QUOTE(archangel22 @ Mar 12 2017, 02:24 AM) Maybe. Who knows. Until smart-contract for Bitcoin RSK come in play http://www.rsk.co then I'll decide to buy ETH or not. Been hearing about RSK for some time now. Even though I think it's a very good initiative and that merge-mining is an interesting concept, however I think there are still many hurdles to overcome. Even now they are still in the experimental stage on testnet. Assuming it even works, it will still take quite a while more before they can actually transition to the live network, maybe one year? And one year is a long time in the cryptocurrency world. QUOTE(kmarc @ Mar 12 2017, 08:45 AM) Haiyaaa.. how come you didn't tell me. Or maybe you did..... I did mention several weeks ago that I do not expect BTC to drop below USD 1k even if the ETF was denied.I now have BTC, DASH, ETH, XMR, XRP, XEM, ARDR, DCR, FCT, LTC, Maid, NXT and PASC,. Crazy right? No choice. Craziness + man-made craziness = two wrongs make a right. As mentioned previously, in my humblest opinion, I feel that this is the opportunity of a lifetime, something that we average people won't ever get. Either it goes to the moon or crash and burn, I'm going all the way. The ease of acquiring the coins, the inherently HUGE potential of upside (and downside) of this craziness and the borderless nature of cryptocurrencies (that enable us to use any exchange in the world), is an opportunity we will never get in our average life. Of course, for those reading my crazy post for the first time, do note that I'm only targeting about 10% of my total investments and not putting everything into this craziness. I'm still a paranoid safe investor.....ermmm... ok ok 90% safe and 10% crazy. The only thing holding me back is my hardware wallet. Will wait for that before I get more. But even I was surprised at the resilience of BTC. It dropped only about USD 150, and has even since regained about USD 50 of that, and we're not even 48 hours since the announcement. This says a lot about the confidence of the population in the decentralised nature of BTC. Right now, it's got so huge and decentralised that no single government or world event can affect it as much as it could have back in 2014. |
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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Mar 12 2017, 02:03 PM) How to get started bro? I already open account with poloniex but dunno how to deposit USD into that account? Not too sure about USD. I buy altcoins using bitcoins in Poloniex. Bitcoins I buy using MYR using Peer-2-peer platform like remitano and localbitcoins which I then transfer to poloniex.QUOTE(wengherng @ Mar 12 2017, 02:45 PM) I did mention several weeks ago that I do not expect BTC to drop below USD 1k even if the ETF was denied. Ya, I sold of some BTC in the hopes of buying back cheaper. After waiting for the never-coming drop, bought back at only USD50 cheaper. Oh well, at least something..... But even I was surprised at the resilience of BTC. It dropped only about USD 150, and has even since regained about USD 50 of that, and we're not even 48 hours since the announcement. This says a lot about the confidence of the population in the decentralised nature of BTC. Right now, it's got so huge and decentralised that no single government or world event can affect it as much as it could have back in 2014. SEC rejection of Winkelvoss' bitcoin ETF because of bitcoin's unregulated nature really throws a lot of uncertainty on future ETF application. Whatever it is, my plan is to wait a few days to see any drop, then buy some BTC before the next ETF, then sell off some before results come out. This post has been edited by kmarc: Mar 12 2017, 06:10 PM |
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QUOTE(kmarc @ Mar 12 2017, 06:09 PM) Ya, I sold of some BTC in the hopes of buying back cheaper. After waiting for the never-coming drop, bought back at only USD50 cheaper. Oh well, at least something..... Yes, that may be true.SEC rejection of Winkelvoss' bitcoin ETF because of bitcoin's unregulated nature really throws a lot of uncertainty on future ETF application. Whatever it is, my plan is to wait a few days to see any drop, then buy some BTC before the next ETF, then sell off some before results come out. But bear in mind also, that the US is not the only country trying to get a bitcoin ETF approved. Several other countries. including South Korea, are trying to do that as well. I tend to think that it's just a matter of time until one is finally approved, in whichever country. |
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QUOTE(wengherng @ Mar 12 2017, 11:54 PM) Yes, that may be true. Oh really? Didn't know that. But bear in mind also, that the US is not the only country trying to get a bitcoin ETF approved. Several other countries. including South Korea, are trying to do that as well. I tend to think that it's just a matter of time until one is finally approved, in whichever country. On further news about cryptocurrencies...... HOLY COW!!!! Everything is going up! It feels like the stock market that just crashed and starting it's bull run. I never experience the euphoric bullrun in the 90s where whatever IPO or stocks you buy will probably give you much profit. You know, like the joke about lawyers in the US, there's so many of them that if you throw a stone into a crowd, you probably hit one of them. Haha.... I think that's the joke. Fundamentals or reasons didn't matter. Example is DCR which I bought a few days ago. Now up 40%. DASH bought 2 weeks ago. Now up 60%...... Regret didn't get REP (Augur) past few days. Was in my radar. Today already jumped 20%. Will probably get a bit of REP, DOGE, CLAM soon to add to my crazy portfolio. Reason? Mr. Google + Mr. Forum + Mr. Volume + Mr. Crazy said so. On other news, DASH is also shooting up. In poloniex trollbox, many said that there was no reason for DASH to shoot up as it was not a good cryptocurrency. They think it is pump and dump. They were wrong... for now anyways. Keeps on going up and up and I just lent out my DASH for 0.4% per day after which somebody lent out at 0.6%. Again, for those who would like to venture into cryptocurrencies, would like to stress that these are crazy times. Enter at your own risk! This post has been edited by kmarc: Mar 13 2017, 08:29 AM |
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QUOTE(effectz @ Mar 12 2017, 11:08 PM) I was a bitcoiner back in the late 2015.I donated hashpower to support Bitcoin Classic, not only that they FFK on their promise, they returned next to nothing on my investment. Never again. $24 ETH on Monday is a good start, DASH moon pumping is good, free media publicity and eventual overflow into other crypto. Still not touching it though. |
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Being reading up about the P2P lending future and the importance of cryptocurrencies comes into play. To start the game here in M'sia is to get a physical wallet, buy some bitcoins at remitano or localbitcoins, then transfer to poloniex to unlock for other cryto trading. Buy/Sell the currency like forex. This is the gameplay?
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QUOTE(cheefai7 @ Mar 13 2017, 09:53 AM) Being reading up about the P2P lending future and the importance of cryptocurrencies comes into play. To start the game here in M'sia is to get a physical wallet, buy some bitcoins at remitano or localbitcoins, then transfer to poloniex to unlock for other cryto trading. Buy/Sell the currency like forex. This is the gameplay? This isn't a game, it's a revolution.The red pill of the digital economy. Have a read before you purchase any crypto. “The Flippening” & How I Learned to Stop Loving Bitcoin » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Choose wisely and only invest in what you're comfortable of losing |
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QUOTE(WooTz @ Mar 13 2017, 10:02 AM) This isn't a game, it's a revolution. You have a personal grudge on bitcoin and then speak language of charlatans and FUDs. The red pill of the digital economy. Have a read before you purchase any crypto. “The Flippening” & How I Learned to Stop Loving Bitcoin » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Choose wisely and only invest in what you're comfortable of losing Really man, you sound like just another SJWs in cryptoworld. Driven by hatred. Bitcoin and eth different functions. Bitcoin is better at being a currency, and eth is (likely) to be better at smart contract which no one knows for sure yet. Both are based on the same concept of blockchain. Eth introduce itself as smartcontract which is just another use case of blockchain. The next step to see this is actually why the devs did not apply the smart contract on top of bitcoin. Obviously bitcoin market is big, lots of tests and and trials can be done to see what works and what not. Why i see that you speak charlatans? Bcse you speak things too technicals, things that has no direct impact to general public. Eth and alts will always be in the shadow of bitcoin, not on functionality, but brand name. Indeed, invest at your own risk. But in a simple language Bitcoin=money, Ethereum=token for smartcontract application. Public just begin to know cryptocurrency and youre asking them to directly learn about IoT technicals. Like in the 80s we found internet and you expect people to understand how facebook/smartphone works directly? People of course will look into smartcontract but youre Eth is up for a queue. Once people understand digital money with bitcoin then youre up next. The application will be adopted quickly but Eth is also up for a competition with other altcoins as well as next development of bitcoin use case. Actually you maybe correct. There may be no solution to blocksizedebate on bitcoin itself. The solution might actually alrdy here. Its not that bitcoin has no hardfork yet, bitcoin has alrdy hardforked for more than 600times. Result of hardfork? Eth and altcoins. For firsttimers this is the similar to age of discovery, altcoins are just like minerals and people like you trying to convince other that your stone/metal is more valuable than others. Whereby in other place people alrdy discovered 1 precious metal with proven usability for 8 yrs. Its just my opinion though, im no technical person. |
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QUOTE(archangel22 @ Mar 13 2017, 11:47 AM) You have a personal grudge on bitcoin and then speak language of charlatans and FUDs. If there's something better than Ethereum, I'd switch ship just like buying a new smartphone. That's just how it is.Really man, you sound like just another SJWs in cryptoworld. Driven by hatred. Bitcoin and eth different functions. Bitcoin is better at being a currency, and eth is (likely) to be better at smart contract which no one knows for sure yet. Both are based on the same concept of blockchain. Eth introduce itself as smartcontract which is just another use case of blockchain. The next step to see this is actually why the devs did not apply the smart contract on top of bitcoin. Obviously bitcoin market is big, lots of tests and and trials can be done to see what works and what not. Why i see that you speak charlatans? Bcse you speak things too technicals, things that has no direct impact to general public. Eth and alts will always be in the shadow of bitcoin, not on functionality, but brand name. Indeed, invest at your own risk. But in a simple language Bitcoin=money, Ethereum=token for smartcontract application. Public just begin to know cryptocurrency and youre asking them to directly learn about IoT technicals. Like in the 80s we found internet and you expect people to understand how facebook/smartphone works directly? People of course will look into smartcontract but youre Eth is up for a queue. Once people understand digital money with bitcoin then youre up next. The application will be adopted quickly but Eth is also up for a competition with other altcoins as well as next development of bitcoin use case. Actually you maybe correct. There may be no solution to blocksizedebate on bitcoin itself. The solution might actually alrdy here. Its not that bitcoin has no hardfork yet, bitcoin has alrdy hardforked for more than 600times. Result of hardfork? Eth and altcoins. For firsttimers this is the similar to age of discovery, altcoins are just like minerals and people like you trying to convince other that your stone/metal is more valuable than others. Whereby in other place people alrdy discovered 1 precious metal with proven usability for 8 yrs. Its just my opinion though, im no technical person. You seem to love your Nokia 3310 a little too much. I'll always buy the better phone when it reaches the market. I'll see you at $100 ETH then. |
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QUOTE(cheefai7 @ Mar 13 2017, 09:53 AM) Being reading up about the P2P lending future and the importance of cryptocurrencies comes into play. To start the game here in M'sia is to get a physical wallet, buy some bitcoins at remitano or localbitcoins, then transfer to poloniex to unlock for other cryto trading. Buy/Sell the currency like forex. This is the gameplay? Wow! I thought cryptocurrencies were high risk and you're already talking about lending futures? Anyway, the "gameplay" is as such because as far as I know, there is not much exchanges that accepts MYR. The only way is to use websites that accepts MYR such as localbitcoins, remitano, xbitasia, etc, to buy bitcoins. Bitcoins is accept in all exchanges (that's why they exist!) where you can trade BTC or buy altcoins using BTC. Poloniex is just one exchange. QUOTE(WooTz @ Mar 13 2017, 11:45 AM) ATH!!!! QUOTE(archangel22 @ Mar 13 2017, 11:47 AM) You have a personal grudge on bitcoin and then speak language of charlatans and FUDs. Come come now. Everybody has their own preferences and opinions. Don't have to be so blunt. Really man, you sound like just another SJWs in cryptoworld. Driven by hatred. Bitcoin and eth different functions. Bitcoin is better at being a currency, and eth is (likely) to be better at smart contract which no one knows for sure yet. Both are based on the same concept of blockchain. Eth introduce itself as smartcontract which is just another use case of blockchain. The next step to see this is actually why the devs did not apply the smart contract on top of bitcoin. Obviously bitcoin market is big, lots of tests and and trials can be done to see what works and what not. Why i see that you speak charlatans? Bcse you speak things too technicals, things that has no direct impact to general public. Eth and alts will always be in the shadow of bitcoin, not on functionality, but brand name. Indeed, invest at your own risk. But in a simple language Bitcoin=money, Ethereum=token for smartcontract application. Public just begin to know cryptocurrency and youre asking them to directly learn about IoT technicals. Like in the 80s we found internet and you expect people to understand how facebook/smartphone works directly? People of course will look into smartcontract but youre Eth is up for a queue. Once people understand digital money with bitcoin then youre up next. The application will be adopted quickly but Eth is also up for a competition with other altcoins as well as next development of bitcoin use case. Actually you maybe correct. There may be no solution to blocksizedebate on bitcoin itself. The solution might actually alrdy here. Its not that bitcoin has no hardfork yet, bitcoin has alrdy hardforked for more than 600times. Result of hardfork? Eth and altcoins. For firsttimers this is the similar to age of discovery, altcoins are just like minerals and people like you trying to convince other that your stone/metal is more valuable than others. Whereby in other place people alrdy discovered 1 precious metal with proven usability for 8 yrs. Its just my opinion though, im no technical person. WooTz is just giving a word of caution. It is up to each person to decide for their own. Let's all profit from cryptocurrencies! This post has been edited by kmarc: Mar 13 2017, 12:52 PM |
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QUOTE(kmarc @ Mar 13 2017, 08:15 AM) Oh really? Didn't know that. Easy there mate.On further news about cryptocurrencies...... HOLY COW!!!! Everything is going up! It feels like the stock market that just crashed and starting it's bull run. I never experience the euphoric bullrun in the 90s where whatever IPO or stocks you buy will probably give you much profit. You know, like the joke about lawyers in the US, there's so many of them that if you throw a stone into a crowd, you probably hit one of them. Haha.... I think that's the joke. Fundamentals or reasons didn't matter. Example is DCR which I bought a few days ago. Now up 40%. DASH bought 2 weeks ago. Now up 60%...... Regret didn't get REP (Augur) past few days. Was in my radar. Today already jumped 20%. Will probably get a bit of REP, DOGE, CLAM soon to add to my crazy portfolio. Reason? Mr. Google + Mr. Forum + Mr. Volume + Mr. Crazy said so. On other news, DASH is also shooting up. In poloniex trollbox, many said that there was no reason for DASH to shoot up as it was not a good cryptocurrency. They think it is pump and dump. They were wrong... for now anyways. Keeps on going up and up and I just lent out my DASH for 0.4% per day after which somebody lent out at 0.6%. Again, for those who would like to venture into cryptocurrencies, would like to stress that these are crazy times. Enter at your own risk! I know it's none of my business, but you're starting to sound just a little too euphoric. The current so-called bull run started around December 2016 and although showing no signs of stopping yet, you should be very cautious still. As you said, the market is getting crazy and there's really no fundamentals to support this kind of bull run for long. QUOTE(WooTz @ Mar 13 2017, 10:02 AM) This isn't a game, it's a revolution. I'm not fully convinced about the flippening (not to say it won't happen, of course, just that I have my reservations).The red pill of the digital economy. Have a read before you purchase any crypto. “The Flippening” & How I Learned to Stop Loving Bitcoin Choose wisely and only invest in what you're comfortable of losing But in any case, I am quite optimistic that both BTC and ETH have their respective roles to play, and that I envision a future where both co-exist. Just like how I think that many of the cryptocurrencies today will still be in existence for quite some time, although they do not seem to have any actual use at all. |
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QUOTE(wengherng @ Mar 13 2017, 12:51 PM) Easy there mate. Again, thx for your wise words of advice. I know it's none of my business, but you're starting to sound just a little too euphoric. The current so-called bull run started around December 2016 and although showing no signs of stopping yet, you should be very cautious still. As you said, the market is getting crazy and there's really no fundamentals to support this kind of bull run for long. I'm almost finished with buying what I wanted. Almost reaching my 10%. Will save a bit more after seeing the trend. This morning added AUGUR, Belacoin, clams and Dogecoin. I know I know. Crazy, but it's not much... Dogecoin 50k for 0.01 BTC! This post has been edited by kmarc: Mar 13 2017, 01:03 PM |
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