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zeng
post Aug 2 2021, 11:44 AM

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Sharing Version 2.0 of Avanza Alignment specification.

Its Preferred Camber is -00°30' (negative) and differs from +00°30' of Ver 1.0 .

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post Aug 3 2021, 06:01 AM

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QUOTE(zeng @ Aug 2 2021, 11:44 AM)
Sharing Version 2.0 of Avanza Alignment specification.

Its Preferred Camber is -00°30' (negative) and differs from +00°30' of Ver 1.0 .

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Other day I saw mine at tyre shop like 15'.
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post Aug 3 2021, 07:02 AM

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QUOTE(butthead76 @ Aug 3 2021, 06:01 AM)
Other day I saw mine at tyre shop like 15'.
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Negative or positive camber ?

Last December I did -15' camber at both front tyres and it was a big improvement in cornering compared to prior alignment which I speculate to be a positive camber.

Left Front toe-in was +7' and RF was +5'. With hands off the steering wheel, the car drifts and veers to the left slightly.

Nice and steady straight ahead driving but 6 months later now I find turning right requires more effort to steer than turning left. Suspecting front toes too high?

What's your front toes?

Unfortunately I didn't have camber and toes for Rear which may help to explain car drifts left problem with hands off the steering wheel.

Do you have yours ? If yes, what are the numbers.
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post Aug 3 2021, 09:12 AM

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QUOTE(zeng @ Aug 3 2021, 07:02 AM)
Negative or positive camber ?
Last December I did -15'  camber at both front tyres and it was a big improvement in cornering compared to prior alignment which I speculate to be a positive camber.
Left Front toe-in was +7' and RF was +5'. With hands off the steering wheel, the car drifts and veers to the left slightly.
Nice and steady straight ahead driving but 6 months later now I find turning right requires more effort to steer than turning left. Suspecting front toes too high?
What's your front toes?
Unfortunately I didn't have camber and toes for Rear which may help to explain car drifts left problem with hands off the steering wheel.
Do you have yours ? If yes, what are the numbers.
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rear affects direction whenever height is changing. try carry heavvy at back VS carry empty
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post Aug 3 2021, 12:47 PM

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QUOTE(ktek @ Aug 3 2021, 09:12 AM)
rear affects direction whenever height is changing. try carry heavvy at back VS carry empty
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I did that with 'extra' weights at the rear of my Hilux and Prado , then it was a lot lot more steady in driving straight and steering.

Have anyone tried this method with Avanza, and whether it works ?
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post Aug 7 2021, 07:28 AM

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QUOTE(zeng @ Aug 3 2021, 07:02 AM)
Negative or positive camber ?

Last December I did -15'  camber at both front tyres and it was a big improvement in cornering compared to prior alignment which I speculate to be a positive camber.

Left Front toe-in was +7' and RF was +5'. With hands off the steering wheel, the car drifts and veers to the left slightly.

Nice and steady straight ahead driving but 6 months later now I find turning right requires more effort to steer than turning left. Suspecting front toes too high?

What's your front toes?

Unfortunately I didn't have camber and toes for Rear which may help to explain car drifts left problem with hands off the steering wheel.

Do you have yours ? If yes, what are the numbers.
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-15'. I wanted to take photo, suddenly tyre shop finish it. HHAHAHA...didn't see other settings. Anyway now hardly drive. about 15th Apr to 7th Aug only like 500km mileage.

Yesterday sat in wife new avanza, make me dizzy only. damn sioft the suspension. I came back, stand at side, 1 hand lean on center side. So easy to tilt. Then I go try at my old avanza, can feel need to force to lean against it. I think the Kayaba RS is stiffer with the harder springs.
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post Aug 7 2021, 10:09 AM

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QUOTE(butthead76 @ Aug 7 2021, 07:28 AM)
-15'. I wanted to take photo, suddenly tyre shop finish it. HHAHAHA...didn't see other settings. Anyway now hardly drive. about 15th Apr to 7th Aug only like 500km mileage.

Yesterday sat in wife new avanza, make me dizzy only. damn sioft the suspension. I came back, stand at side, 1 hand lean on center side. So easy to tilt. Then I go try at my old avanza, can feel need to force to lean against it. I think the Kayaba RS is stiffer with the harder springs.
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Thanks.

Wife's Avanza is new? How many kms or months so far?
I ask about 'age' of your new Avanza is because gathering from what I have read online thus far, it is quite common for wheel alignments of brand new cars to be 'less than ideal' possibly causing the car to veer or drift to one side with hands off the steering wheel or steering wheel points to one side on straight ahead driving, never mind the fact the alignment print-out may be all green.

If a 'new' car were to visit SC at very low mileage of x km odometer (or within x months) say, on complaints of car drifting to one side etc, it would be free for owner as it is covered under warranty claim period.
Now, what is x for local Toyota for warranty purpose? IDK. It would be nice if anybody here could enlighten us.

Simultaneously, you get to demand a copy of re-alignment print-outs for your safe keeping. For all we know, sometimes this print-out/results may later on, possibly explain some weird 'behaviours' of its suspension/handling in times to come, if one ever occurs.

A relative of mine is getting a new Camry Hybrid soon. I will remind him to try find 'faults' with its handling like drifting to one side or unsteady/nervous steering etc .............
and claim free warranty say within 500 km and gets to obtain a print-out of its wheel alignment results for safe keeping and reference in future.

On your 'old' Avanza Front cambers of -15', I think it maybe a good results in giving you better cornering/turning experience as compared to those Avanza's on positive camber . Sometimes I suspect your 'dizzyness' in your wife's new Avanza may have something to do with installed factory cambers of +30' ± , who knows.

Your method of 1 hand lean on centre side ..... sounds interesting to me. I would do one on my Avanza of known alignment angles and see how it feels ..........

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post Aug 8 2021, 09:13 AM

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QUOTE(zeng @ Aug 7 2021, 10:09 AM)
Thanks.

Wife's Avanza is new? How many kms or months so far?
I ask about 'age' of your new Avanza is because gathering from what I have read online thus far, it is quite common for wheel alignments of brand new cars to be 'less than ideal' possibly causing the car to veer or drift to one side with hands off the steering wheel or steering wheel points to one side on straight ahead driving, never mind the fact the alignment print-out may be all green.

If a 'new' car were to visit SC at very low mileage of  x km odometer (or within x months) say, on complaints of car drifting to one side etc, it would be free for owner as it is covered under warranty claim period.
Now, what is x for local Toyota for warranty purpose? IDK. It would be nice if anybody here could enlighten us.

Simultaneously, you get to demand a copy of re-alignment print-outs for your safe keeping. For all we know, sometimes this print-out/results may later on, possibly explain some weird 'behaviours' of its suspension/handling in times to come, if one ever occurs.

A relative of mine is getting a new Camry Hybrid soon. I will remind him to try find 'faults' with its handling like drifting to one side or unsteady/nervous steering etc .............
and claim free warranty say within 500 km and gets to obtain a print-out of its wheel alignment results for safe keeping and reference in future.

On your 'old' Avanza Front cambers of -15', I think it maybe a good results in giving you better cornering/turning experience as compared to those Avanza's on positive camber . Sometimes I suspect your 'dizzyness' in your wife's new Avanza may have something to do with installed factory cambers of +30' ± , who knows.

Your method of 1 hand lean on centre side ..... sounds interesting to me. I would do one on my Avanza of known alignment angles and see how it feels ..........
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New avanza for around 4 yrs ownership, 25k km...hahahah. You mentioned the allignment matter u need to go a good shop. So far found 2 at my place and 1 at PJ. These are my usual shop. The drifting to 1 side because the shop doesn't know how to do it properly.

My dizziness as I got motion sickness...hahahaha. Warranty over, so will be doing all tyre and maintaince outside. Cheaper.

1 hand push just a quick check on stability, if easy to rock n roll, then taking corners, bumps, etc will be dangerous. That's is why I dare to whack kaw kaw corner because I know my suspension is stiff. But remember to fit good tyres too.
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post Aug 10 2021, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(butthead76 @ Aug 8 2021, 09:13 AM)
New avanza for around 4 yrs ownership, 25k km...hahahah. You mentioned the allignment matter u need to go a good shop. So far found 2 at my place and 1 at PJ. These are my usual shop. The drifting to 1 side because the shop doesn't know how to do it properly.

My dizziness as I got motion sickness...hahahaha. Warranty over, so will be doing all tyre and maintaince outside. Cheaper.

1 hand push just a quick check on stability, if easy to rock n roll, then taking corners, bumps, etc will be dangerous. That's is why I dare to whack kaw kaw corner because I know my suspension is stiff. But remember to fit good tyres too.
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Mind sharing the locations of your 3 good shops and ranking in terms of quality of works, customer service in terms of listening/accomdating to car owners and pricing for the benefit of readers here living not far away.

Who knows I (and maybe some readers here) might visit them in times to come.

Come to think of it, your '1 hand push' might be a simple way of agak-agaking camber negativeness or positiveness of tyres on opposite side ? That would be very useful indeed.
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post Aug 11 2021, 06:22 AM

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QUOTE(zeng @ Aug 10 2021, 11:47 AM)
Mind sharing the locations of your 3 good shops and ranking in terms of quality of works, customer service in terms of listening/accomdating to car owners and pricing for the benefit of readers here living not far away.

Who knows I (and maybe some readers here) might visit them in times to come.

Come to think of it, your '1 hand push' might be a simple way of agak-agaking camber negativeness or positiveness of tyres on opposite side ? That would be very useful indeed.
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1) SKC Tyres Desa Pandan, Price: Good
2) CKP Auto Service Desa Pandan, Price: Good

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1) Perkhimatan Tayar Chuan Ang, Price: Reasonable


1 hand push is just to gauge the suspension stiffness only, not for camber. Camber need precise measurements.
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post Sep 15 2021, 09:04 AM

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This is Gabriel shock absorber. It measures 22" fully extended and 1 7/8" wide on the absorber (not the top cover). Fully extended and fully compressed same with APM performax. Not sure about other absorber although the APM performax is thinner and softer. user posted image
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update. just visited turbineman page https://turbinemanlog.blogspot.com/2014/08/...about-rear.html

From his website I conclude the diameter of the gabriel (yellow shock absorber) almost / the same as KYB Ultra from Indonesia. The RS Ultra locally made mentioned is not so big in diameter compared to the KYB Ultra from Indonesia FYI

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post Sep 15 2021, 01:44 PM

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QUOTE(eniltoh @ Sep 15 2021, 09:04 AM)
This is Gabriel shock absorber. It measures 22" fully extended and 1 7/8" wide on the absorber (not the top cover). Fully extended and fully compressed same with APM performax. Not sure about other absorber although the APM performax is thinner and softer. user posted image
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update. just visited turbineman page https://turbinemanlog.blogspot.com/2014/08/...about-rear.html
From his website I conclude the diameter of the gabriel (yellow shock absorber) almost / the same as KYB Ultra from Indonesia. The RS Ultra locally made mentioned is not so big in diameter compared to the KYB Ultra from Indonesia FYI
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i wonder got TRD suspension parts from indonesia
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post Sep 15 2021, 06:52 PM

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QUOTE(eniltoh @ Sep 15 2021, 09:04 AM)
This is Gabriel shock absorber. It measures 22" fully extended and 1 7/8" wide on the absorber (not the top cover). Fully extended and fully compressed same with APM performax. Not sure about other absorber although the APM performax is thinner and softer. user posted image
user posted image

update. just visited turbineman page https://turbinemanlog.blogspot.com/2014/08/...about-rear.html

From his website I conclude the diameter of the gabriel (yellow shock absorber) almost / the same as KYB Ultra from Indonesia. The RS Ultra locally made mentioned is not so big in diameter compared to the KYB Ultra from Indonesia FYI

user posted image
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you are using gabriel now?
so far tested kyb excel g and rs ultra.
Recommend rs ultra by a mile.
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post Sep 18 2021, 12:58 PM

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My gabriel habis wayang already. Taken out as per photo.
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QUOTE(eniltoh @ Sep 18 2021, 12:58 PM)
My gabriel habis wayang already. Taken out as per photo.
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What's your feedback on gabriel? What are u using now?
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If your engine leaks oil and u can't find it, check the oil dip stick area, mine leak from the O ring. Had to remove 2 times as 1st time after change O ring still leaks.
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QUOTE(butthead76 @ Sep 26 2021, 08:53 AM)
What's your feedback on gabriel? What are u using now?
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Very good. Get that planted feeling. Now using back APM performax.

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