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yhtan
post Aug 19 2020, 04:42 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Aug 19 2020, 04:38 PM)
The theory was buy at that price, get dividend and sell after dividend go ex wo ....  rclxub.gif
maybank for me...
good company...
but there as a stock.... mmm mmmmmm....  not sure if can make money...
no meat laaa.....
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like this i rather chase stock with break out of trend line, like GCB brows.gif brows.gif
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post Aug 19 2020, 04:54 PM

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QUOTE(yhtan @ Aug 19 2020, 04:42 PM)
like this i rather chase stock with break out of trend line, like GCB brows.gif  brows.gif
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breakout of the upper trend line ... is not necessary a good thing ... we saw it in TG .... no? tongue.gif

this one... multiple flagpole breakouts... thumbup.gif

very nice ... but you might have to be a bit cautious with the declining volume.... icon_rolleyes.gif


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post Aug 19 2020, 05:07 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Aug 19 2020, 04:54 PM)
breakout of the upper trend line ... is not necessary a good thing ... we saw it in TG .... no? tongue.gif

this one... multiple flagpole breakouts...  thumbup.gif

very nice ... but you might have to be  a bit cautious with the declining volume....  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Declining volume but price moving up still fine for me, if burst up volume at high price, not a good sign liao
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post Aug 20 2020, 09:39 AM

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QUOTE(yhtan @ Aug 19 2020, 05:07 PM)
Declining volume but price moving up still fine for me, if burst up volume at high price, not a good sign liao
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Why would one say, go up but declining volume not good.
but the other would also say go up but with huge volume also not good.

What is the ideal scenario? Can help enlighten?
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post Aug 20 2020, 10:23 AM

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QUOTE(IMBeta305 @ Aug 20 2020, 09:39 AM)
Why would one say, go up but declining volume not good.
but the other would also say go up but with huge volume also not good.

What is the ideal scenario? Can help enlighten?
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Volume analysis can be pretty much subjective, which is why my choice of words was to be 'a little cautious' with the declining volume.

My first interpretation of that said stock was the stock is hitting its highs but yet the volume is lower. Search the net on new high on lower volume.

user posted image

Perhaps this is a easier view...

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Price action for me can be pretty much subjective. Each side of the bull/bear camp will always look for the tiniest info, and if they have they will dissect every possible info from the chart.

The cautious or bear side would say 'demand' or the appetite for the stock is clearly declining as the stock hits the new highs...see the last 4 trading day data in the above table.. and as such a correction could be due soon.

The opportunist or bull side will say that it is okay and normal because as stock hits new highs its natural to see some cautious trade. No worries. Volume will pick up again as the stock higher highs.


... going up on huge volume is actually good as it suggests the higher demand for stock has resulted in higher volumes...

Higher volume and the stock doesn't move... is a no no.

There are tons/volumes of info on the net. smile.gif
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post Aug 20 2020, 11:29 AM

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QUOTE(IMBeta305 @ Aug 20 2020, 09:39 AM)
Why would one say, go up but declining volume not good.
but the other would also say go up but with huge volume also not good.

What is the ideal scenario? Can help enlighten?
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Forgot to say this....

Volume should not be your main/sole reason to buy/sell your stock...
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post Aug 20 2020, 03:19 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Aug 20 2020, 11:29 AM)
Forgot to say this....

Volume should not be your main/sole reason to buy/sell your stock...
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okay understand, need to consider multiple factors. Have to do more reading on this.
Always find it confusing when people say. "Volume is abnormal"
other than the volume is more than the daily "normal" volume, idk how else is it abnormal.
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post Aug 20 2020, 04:19 PM

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QUOTE(IMBeta305 @ Aug 20 2020, 03:19 PM)
okay understand, need to consider multiple factors. Have to do more reading on this.
Always find it confusing when people say. "Volume is abnormal"
other than the volume is more than the daily "normal" volume, idk how else is it abnormal.
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If you equate volume as demand, perhaps it will be slightly more understandable.

Yeah, very often you would hear general commentary that we don't really brain. Dont worry.. it happens. laugh.gif
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post Aug 20 2020, 05:50 PM

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Candlesticks then. But of course the volume bar will give another information where you can compare with previous days.

But is there a connection for the volume with rsi out stochastic rsi? Not sure if what I'm asking when makes sense.
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QUOTE(kevraul @ Aug 20 2020, 05:50 PM)
Candlesticks then. But of course the volume bar will give another information where you can compare with previous days.

But is there a connection for the volume with rsi out stochastic rsi? Not sure if what I'm asking when makes sense.
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Google how to calculate rsi.. answer is there smile.gif
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post Aug 21 2020, 09:17 AM

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QUOTE(kevraul @ Aug 20 2020, 05:50 PM)
Candlesticks then. But of course the volume bar will give another information where you can compare with previous days.

But is there a connection for the volume with rsi out stochastic rsi? Not sure if what I'm asking when makes sense.
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Did you manage to find your answer on the net?
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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Aug 21 2020, 09:17 AM)
Did you manage to find your answer on the net?
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i didnt fully read up but managed to understand that it's an indicator for overbought / oversold.
how price and volume relate to it, still dont know.
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post Aug 21 2020, 09:46 AM

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QUOTE(kevraul @ Aug 21 2020, 09:26 AM)
i didnt fully read up but managed to understand that it's an indicator for overbought / oversold.
how price and volume relate to it, still dont know.
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You did not google..... the right phrase ..... tongue.gif

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If you look at the formula... it doesn't mention Volume at all.....

therefore ..... whistling.gif


it can gets really messy with the indicators....
cos sometimes, when rsi points overbought...
it just means its over bought and it doesn't mean the stock will correct there and then.....

same with oversold....
and there are situations where the oversold stock can remain oversold at a longggg time.

Lastly, the RSI setting can be adjusted ....
laugh.gif .... best you don't touch it until you are fully comfortable with the default setting first....

after that go search 'fast rsi setting' .... laugh.gif

this one ... good read => https://tradingsim.com/blog/relative-strength-index/


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post Aug 21 2020, 10:19 AM

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QUOTE(IMBeta305 @ Aug 20 2020, 09:39 AM)
Why would one say, go up but declining volume not good.
but the other would also say go up but with huge volume also not good.

What is the ideal scenario? Can help enlighten?
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Volume is just an indicator, most importantly is the price movement and the chart shape. Speculative stock (Penny stock often appear in top 30 volume) and fundamental wise stock has different chart movement.

If u look at those penny stock, when consolidating time it appear a huge volume, price did not move at all, then your time is wasted if u enter, the best time is to enter when break out. When it up another 50-100%, then the volume increasing, when it reach peak, the volume is huge until share is trading about 30-40% of the total shares, then at this time u need to consider to sell all the stock because u don't know when it will peak.

But then the above stock cannot apply on other stock, quite often those fundamental good counter hardly can trade above 10% of total shares, so when price move up and volume declining, it could mean the shareholders is holding the stock tight.

In summary i would say wary of the stock appear highest volume when the price is at peak.
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post Aug 21 2020, 10:21 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Aug 21 2020, 09:46 AM)
You did not google..... the right phrase ..... tongue.gif

user posted image

If you look at the formula... it doesn't mention Volume at all.....

therefore .....  whistling.gif
it can gets really messy with the indicators....
cos sometimes, when rsi points overbought...
it just means its over bought and it doesn't mean the stock will correct there and then.....

same with oversold....
and there are situations where the oversold stock can remain oversold at a longggg time.

Lastly, the RSI setting can be adjusted ....
laugh.gif .... best you don't touch it until you are fully comfortable with the default setting first....

after that go search 'fast rsi setting' .... laugh.gif

this one ... good read => https://tradingsim.com/blog/relative-strength-index/
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My experience on this RSI, i think it is a laggard indicator laugh.gif
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post Aug 21 2020, 11:54 AM

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QUOTE(yhtan @ Aug 21 2020, 10:19 AM)
Volume is just an indicator, most importantly is the price movement and the chart shape. Speculative stock (Penny stock often appear in top 30 volume) and fundamental wise stock has different chart movement.

If u look at those penny stock, when consolidating time it appear a huge volume, price did not move at all, then your time is wasted if u enter, the best time is to enter when break out. When it up another 50-100%, then the volume increasing, when it reach peak, the volume is huge until share is trading about 30-40% of the total shares, then at this time u need to consider to sell all the stock because u don't know when it will peak.

But then the above stock cannot apply on other stock, quite often those fundamental good counter hardly can trade above 10% of total shares, so when price move up and volume declining, it could mean the shareholders is holding the stock tight.

In summary i would say wary of the stock appear highest volume when the price is at peak.
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That is correct ! smile.gif
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post Aug 21 2020, 12:01 PM

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QUOTE(yhtan @ Aug 21 2020, 10:21 AM)
My experience on this RSI, i think it is a laggard indicator laugh.gif
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Me? I lose far too many times than I win... doh.gif

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post Aug 21 2020, 12:02 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Aug 21 2020, 12:01 PM)
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Me? I lose far too many times than I win...  doh.gif

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Your losing is in buku 555 only

While the real big win money is in your bank account brows.gif brows.gif


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post Aug 21 2020, 12:04 PM

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QUOTE(yhtan @ Aug 21 2020, 12:02 PM)
Your losing is in buku 555 only

While the real big win money is in your bank account  brows.gif  brows.gif
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You got see meh? rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Aug 19 2020, 09:07 AM)
Sorry went for a morning walk... laugh.gif

not much view on it ....

I had SuperMan on my fake trade cos technically it was a sell and I wanted to see if I can catch a trade based on 'the correction had been too much too fast etc'...
well... i didn't catch a trade .. even for my 555 book.
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I really got nothing much to say...

more negative on the bonus issue...
this is what I am guessing...
once it goes ex and the price is adjusted...
those few days... it might see a pop but once the bonus shares are credited into account... i think could see the stock actually slide...
size of a shares matters a lot for me....
big shares stock is much harder to move .....
compared to smaller size....
stocks like TG will be a 8 billion size listing....
it's not gonna be easy to move ....
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i had to wait until closing today to check with you again! biggrin.gif

if u can take a fresh look at TG... for learning purposes.

.. i see 3 white soldiers after 9 days of correction/flat... should be a confirmed reversal, bullish next week!?
.. uptrend is intact.
.. rsi 61 is ok, not overbought.
.. vol is not big but is decent.
.. bonus/split ex-date sep 3.
.. QR sep 17.

i dun see same with any other.

superman is a bit like TG but not as good... i have doubts.
talking of which i make rm50 from spmx today! laugh.gif



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