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tehoice
post Mar 4 2022, 04:17 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Mar 4 2022, 04:02 PM)
When was the stock listed?
Bursa website only shows data dating up to 2000 only....  doh.gif
Ok... found it.... 8th Oct 1969.... I dun have those data... laugh.gif
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let me search for you yea. hang on. i think maybe bloomberg should have.
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post Mar 4 2022, 04:48 PM

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QUOTE(tehoice @ Mar 4 2022, 04:17 PM)
let me search for you yea. hang on. i think maybe bloomberg should have.
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here you go.

giving you 2, one from bloomberg, one from capital IQ.


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post Mar 4 2022, 04:52 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Mar 4 2022, 04:32 PM)
But it's always easy to speak on hindsight, knowing very well what happened next (since we got the help of the chart)... tongue.gif

This was the QR report on Feb 2001

https://www.bursamalaysia.com/market_inform...s?ann_id=554841

with that 4th quarter report, we see revenue from UP crash from 436 million ( fy 1999) to just 279 million (fy 2000) (and yea... it's a little bit more accurate to see from annual report) (united plant own website only does a 5 year thingy)

Net profit dropped from 115 million to 40 million...

so that was a CRASH there to lows of 2.88. (which explains the stock falling from 6+ in 1997 to 2.88 in 2001)
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hahaha who doesnt know how to speak on hindsight when we have the full historical picture.

didnt dive deep into it only.

but i would also like to get your view on the future, now that CPO price is hitting all time high, and couple that, their average realised CPO price was around 4k++ in the past FY.

They tend to sell 1 year forward contract, with that, could see that they have secured their next 1-2 years sale price at a very sweet spot which could see their profits go even higher.


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post Mar 4 2022, 04:57 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Mar 4 2022, 04:52 PM)
And today... for comparison, the last quarter alone, UP net profit is around 150+ million.... with total net profit estimated above 550 million.

yeah... from a net profit of 40 million in 2001... to a net profit estimated around 550 million in 2021..... that should explain the monstrous rise in stock price since 2001....

but plantations... obviously... the size of the plantation land is so crucial.... the bigger the planted land, the crop returns should grow ...

and then one needs to factor in the fertility of the planted land.

this fertility issue sounds so trivial but issues like this does crop out in our cpo stocks. wink.gif

there's way too much factors involved.... which is way too complex for me... study land, study fertility, study weather, study other crops.... and then... it's palm oil.... which means we got the lobby factor (ie countries lobbying against our palm oil) .... and then... workers issue.... and then of course, not all management is the same....which means I surrender.

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as for land, they are primarily in Perak, where home of flat land in peninsular, which makes it very easy for their mechanisation effort.

on rainfall, malaysian average annual rainfall of >2500 make our shore very suitable for oil palm planting.

land fertility dunno how to comment, but if they have prepare their land in a very good shape for planting from the start, they have no problem of going into 3 planting cycles easily. one cycle is 25 years + 3 years of immature from replanting = 28 years.

There's always ppl who are against your palm oil, but everybody knows that with scarcity of lands, oil palm is the only crop that can give the most produce in every hectare of planting, compared to corn, sunflower, etc etc....

workers issue is definitely one, but they are not as heavily hit as their mechanisation helped a lot......

anymore did i miss?
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post Mar 4 2022, 05:02 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Mar 4 2022, 04:57 PM)
forgot.... age of the trees also important.

Too young no fruit
Too old .... err .... no need say... laugh.gif
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0-3 immature - no fruit
4-12 young prime
13 - 25 prime
25-28 due for replanting

old doesnt mean no fruit, old also got fruit, just that it gets very tall, very difficult to harvest, that's why those indon/bangla dont wanna do it, say no fruit.
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post Mar 4 2022, 05:05 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Mar 4 2022, 05:04 PM)
this is why the bangla in me dowan to see to much.............  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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kesian neh..... okla, will continue accumulate!
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post Mar 7 2022, 09:25 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Mar 6 2022, 09:30 AM)
... and yeah... the movement of UTD? it's parabolic and it runs the risk of consolidation...

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hahaha will start accumulating once it retraces. typically after ex-date would see the price drop some few %. thereafter will pick it up again.

regretted why didnt buy much at the end of 2020.

I can only share that, the total dividends received + capital appreciation so far is about 20% of my capital put in in Nov 2020, so far very happy about it, given that it's only 1.5 years for now.
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post Mar 7 2022, 10:03 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Mar 7 2022, 09:54 AM)
Tech stocks all doin swan dives.  sweat.gif
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expect more volatility this week too as the war escalates.
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post Mar 8 2022, 04:21 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Mar 8 2022, 02:13 PM)
and the consolidation for some palm oil stocks...

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consolidation is inevitable. everybody knows that 8k cpo price is not sustainable. but it will still remain strong for the next few months for sure.
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post Mar 8 2022, 04:23 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Mar 8 2022, 02:09 PM)
Getting excited? laugh.gif
..... it could be one hell of an opportunity or a hell of tns bear trap!  laugh.gif
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hahahah. which would be your next best pickkk?

given that all has been dropped quite a bit.

fire sales incomingggg


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post Mar 9 2022, 09:34 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Mar 8 2022, 05:33 PM)
Yup... plenty of fire sales but I am not doing anything... just look see  laugh.gif
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nothing on your wishlist??
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post Mar 28 2022, 11:09 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Mar 28 2022, 10:04 AM)
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previous rally was due to high CPO price and low supply.

now can start collecting again after the price normalises. also not to forget about the 85sen dividend coming in soon too.
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post Mar 28 2022, 02:49 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Mar 28 2022, 11:57 AM)
hehehe.... I thought you be interested.

Plantation stocks still beyond me...  sweat.gif  sweat.gif
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hahhaaa yessss...... let's revisit after another year. the price will stabilized and and inch upward slowly + consistent dividend payout.

Their div yield (even based on current price) is easily 7%. wayyyy beyond FD rate. very good substitute of FD. but the downside is, this is far more illiquid.
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post Mar 28 2022, 02:55 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Mar 28 2022, 02:52 PM)
Hahaha!!! Don't worry, it should be able to 'hold' up la....
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i wonder what are your darling stocks rolleyes.gif
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post Mar 28 2022, 02:59 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Mar 28 2022, 02:58 PM)
No darlings in the stock market.

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so which are your flings?
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post Mar 28 2022, 03:57 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Mar 28 2022, 03:29 PM)
Don't la come audit me.... laugh.gif
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hahahah nola i dare nottt.....

simply just blowing water onlyyyy tongue.gif
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post Mar 28 2022, 04:45 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Mar 28 2022, 04:17 PM)
Traded Supermax.. then UWC.. then Pie... last year.. only one.. Ataims

This year.. no need trade also can la tongue.gif
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must be because tooo huatttt ady biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

but what's your view on tech stocks lately?
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post Mar 28 2022, 05:07 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Mar 28 2022, 04:55 PM)
there's one article trying to hard sell...

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/tech...ow-say-analysts

posted b4...
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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Mar 28 2022, 05:03 PM)
p/s if playing for the bounce... clearly the ship has sailed la wink.gif
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agreed, sailed long ago. but tech stock valuations not "unreasonably low" if you ask me, they are not as high as some developed region, that's it.
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post Jun 1 2022, 10:19 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ May 31 2022, 07:09 PM)
... and yeah.... this one...

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Fuhhh, luckily i didnt sell them off, just yet. gonna continue holding for the next 2 months.

QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jun 1 2022, 08:56 AM)
and the chart tells it all.....

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well, you have gotten your own answer...... takkan wait for deadcat bounce right?

 

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