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twhong_91
post Jan 9 2018, 09:52 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jan 9 2018, 09:33 PM)
wah char me up. tongue.gif

i do not use but on situations like this...
when oil prices went up so sharply...
these 2 stocks were an option.. no?
umwog nta is about 95+...
price of umwog was about 31sen ...
not worth to take a risky bet on such situation?
u can use 50% of nta as chincai fair value target price...
Which is about 47sen or add so....

a trading entry about 32 sen, how much was the risk/reward how much?

Got meat? ie is this worth a bet?

This is how I would have weigh up the situation...

now compare to say SKpResources ...

the risk is different...
raising oil prices is no no..
raising ringgit is also no no..
and then u put into consideration that it is on a super high growth run for some time already (ie the growth runs the risk of ending soon) the risk factor is so much higher....

can understand my terrible England?

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the R factors so important when you trade.
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now i understand what u mean. hahaha

QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jan 9 2018, 09:47 PM)
normally after all the blah blah blah....
then only I consult the gambar.... tongue.gif

so based on the below... where was the suggestive entry point?

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entry point before the bull or after today? wub.gif

just saw you mentioned 'was'. a very confirmed entry point was on 3 jan 2018 where the price and volume were higher than the day before and also breaking the resistance of 0.325.

but my entry point was 0.305 wub.gif

This post has been edited by twhong_91: Jan 9 2018, 09:54 PM
TSBoon3
post Jan 10 2018, 09:20 AM

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QUOTE(twhong_91 @ Jan 9 2018, 09:52 PM)
now i understand what u mean. hahaha
entry point before the bull or after today?  wub.gif

just saw you mentioned 'was'. a very confirmed entry point was on 3 jan 2018 where the price and volume were higher than the day before and also breaking the resistance of 0.325.

but my entry point was 0.305  wub.gif
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Cheh!! Show off!!!

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it's not just about trading the correct stock...
it's about managing the risk in the stock u are trading...

those 5% win stocks...
those win kfc trades...
those mucky mouse trades...
these are drugs....
They kill and they destroy whatever potential one has as a trader.

every year u hear folks come in forums and boast...
every year they disappear...
cos they tend to lose more than they win...


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post Jan 10 2018, 10:19 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jan 10 2018, 09:20 AM)
Cheh!! Show off!!!

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it's not just about trading the correct stock...
it's about managing the risk in the stock u are trading...

those 5% win stocks...
those win kfc trades...
those mucky mouse trades...
these are drugs....
They kill and they destroy whatever potential one has as a trader.

every year u hear folks come in forums and boast...
every year they disappear...

cos they tend to lose more than they win...
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I couldn't agree with you more thumbup.gif
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post Jan 10 2018, 11:54 AM

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twhong_91
post Jan 10 2018, 12:06 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jan 10 2018, 09:20 AM)
Cheh!! Show off!!!

tongue.gif

it's not just about trading the correct stock...
it's about managing the risk in the stock u are trading...

those 5% win stocks...
those win kfc trades...
those mucky mouse trades...
these are drugs....
They kill and they destroy whatever potential one has as a trader.

every year u hear folks come in forums and boast...
every year they disappear...
cos they tend to lose more than they win...
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First time to know such trades as to cincai aim a tp of 50% of nta. Hehe.

Is this from a book?
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post Jan 10 2018, 12:16 PM

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QUOTE(twhong_91 @ Jan 10 2018, 12:06 PM)
First time to know such trades as to cincai aim a tp of 50% of nta. Hehe.

Is this from a book?
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char me again..... sad.gif



no matter what...
I say again....

those who trade a lot and hope/aim to win small profits....they 'generally' tend to lose.....

over trading is one of the usual reason why one perform miserably in the stock market.....
They simply trade just because they have the urge the trade ...


so how?
You think you can record a 60% gain this year?

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QUOTE(Smurfs @ Jan 10 2018, 10:19 AM)
I couldn't agree with you more  thumbup.gif
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Very evident isn't it?


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post Jan 10 2018, 12:35 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jan 10 2018, 12:19 PM)
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Very evident isn't it?
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one will know if he hovering lyn stock exchange long enough tongue.gif
Suicidal Guy
post Jan 10 2018, 04:18 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jan 9 2018, 11:20 AM)
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so fast you wanna jump to another trade?

You always over trade la. tongue.gif

Trade less... You will end up winning more la.  whistling.gif
re: SK

both is correct but since my time frames are wider, it's a trend continuation and it's merely making a higher high.
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I have reduced my total counters to 5 already.. Consider making progress? Paper trade for learning purpose should be no harm right? From SKPRES, I learnt something new which is the risk of late stage trend..

Today I paper trade Armada at 88 cents.. cut loss 85 cents..
Armada has already turned around but the market has not re-rated the share price yet.. Consider now oil price recovered,
possible that it's share price could be re-rated and start a new uptrend.. but then, it has about 100m worth of unrealised losses..

QUOTE(twhong_91 @ Jan 9 2018, 04:45 PM)
sold my umwog this morning, the super run was mainly driven by the increase of oil price. so far the fundamentals of the company is still okay but the 4th quarter will be making losses due to impairment as mentioned in their previous quarter report.

i m not sure about the utilisation of their rigs but if im not mistaken the utilisation rates are higher as compared to the previous quarters.

almost a 50% gains from this counter.
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UMWOG last quarter had a 100% rig utilisation rate.. net profit about 1m laugh.gif This quarter utilisation rate will be lower.. Their contracts are short term only.. mostly few months..
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QUOTE(Suicidal Guy @ Jan 10 2018, 04:18 PM)
I have reduced my total counters to 5 already.. Consider making progress? Paper trade for learning purpose should be no harm right? From SKPRES, I learnt something new which is the risk of late stage trend..
5 counters at one go.
too many tongue.gif

u trading or u collecting stocks? whistling.gif



so say...
u are only allowed to trade 3 stocks only ( no in and outs pls) for a whole year...
how do you think you will perform?


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post Jan 10 2018, 10:48 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jan 10 2018, 12:16 PM)
char me again..... sad.gif
no matter what...
I say again....

those who trade a lot and hope/aim to win small profits....they 'generally' tend to lose.....

over trading is one of the usual reason why one perform miserably in the stock market.....
They simply trade just because they have the urge the trade ...
so how?
You think  you can record a 60% gain this year?

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aiming for 100% tongue.gif

will try my best to do it rclxm9.gif

so far the beginning of 2018 has been very good, hopefully no disaster this year. tongue.gif

QUOTE(Suicidal Guy @ Jan 10 2018, 04:18 PM)
I have reduced my total counters to 5 already.. Consider making progress? Paper trade for learning purpose should be no harm right? From SKPRES, I learnt something new which is the risk of late stage trend..

Today I paper trade Armada at 88 cents.. cut loss 85 cents..
Armada has already turned around but the market has not re-rated the share price yet.. Consider now oil price recovered,
possible that it's share price could be re-rated and start a new uptrend.. but then, it has about 100m worth of unrealised losses..
UMWOG last quarter had a 100% rig utilisation rate.. net profit about 1m  laugh.gif This quarter utilisation rate will be lower.. Their contracts are short term only.. mostly few months..
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once they rerate armada, i think it should be the time for them to sell it off. anyway, my average price for armada is o.7466  tongue.gif

umwog next quarter will have one off impairment loss as mentioned in the QR. still remember HLID reported impairment loss and it went down fiercely.  confused.gif
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post Jan 11 2018, 01:53 AM

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When HUAAN wanna retrace?
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post Jan 11 2018, 10:04 AM

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QUOTE(twhong_91 @ Jan 10 2018, 10:48 PM)
aiming for 100%  tongue.gif

will try my best to do it  rclxm9.gif

so far the beginning of 2018 has been very good, hopefully no disaster this year.  tongue.gif
Have you reviewed your 2017 performances?

1. Those trade losses.... could you have done much better in those trades?
Or wouldn't it have been much better if you simply avoided them?

2. Those 15% profit win margin and especially those win 5% or 10% trades.... chuck them away.
Waste time and effort.
Compare these miserable wins and those losses....
can all these wins cover your losses?
if it doesn't, what is telling?
You are wasting your time and effort.
Ever seen those sniper movies? tongue.gif
When do they pull their trigger?
Do they simply press away like machine gun?
One shot, one big fat kill.


3. Those above 40% profit trade.... ah... review them again... and again... again... and again.

How many trades do you have that registered a 40% profit?
Can it be repeated?
What was your risk assessment when you made the decision to enter the trade?
Is it possible that you trade only such stocks?

Ah.. yes... such stocks... opportunities far lesser... and it is not easy to spot...
so when you spot it.... put more money in it lo...



GL on your trades this year.
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post Jan 11 2018, 05:19 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jan 11 2018, 10:04 AM)
Have you reviewed your 2017 performances?

1. Those trade losses.... could you have done much better in those trades?
Or wouldn't it have been much better if you simply avoided them?

2. Those 15% profit win margin and especially those win 5% or 10% trades.... chuck them away.
Waste time and effort.
Compare these miserable wins and those losses....
can all these wins cover your losses?
if it doesn't, what is telling?
You are wasting your time and effort.
Ever seen those sniper movies? tongue.gif
When do they pull their trigger?
Do they simply press away like machine gun?
One shot, one big fat kill.
3. Those above 40% profit trade.... ah... review them again... and again... again... and again.

How many trades do you have that registered a 40% profit?
Can it be repeated?
What was your risk assessment when you made the decision to enter the trade?
Is it possible that you trade only such stocks?

Ah.. yes... such stocks... opportunities far lesser... and it is not easy to spot...
so when you spot it.... put more money in it lo...
GL on your trades this year.
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Can I ask you something?

You aim for 1 counter or multiple counter at a time.
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post Jan 11 2018, 06:29 PM

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QUOTE(e_X @ Jan 11 2018, 05:19 PM)
Can I ask you something?

You aim for 1 counter or multiple counter at a time.
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post Jan 11 2018, 06:51 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jan 11 2018, 06:29 PM)
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Thanks

But how many trade you made last year?
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post Jan 11 2018, 06:58 PM

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QUOTE(e_X @ Jan 11 2018, 06:51 PM)
Thanks

But how many trade you made last year?
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One also
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post Jan 11 2018, 11:03 PM

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Boon3 Boss, then i guess u dun use 2% risk rule? Some ppl debunk the 2% rule.
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Is the market will going bearish for a while?
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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jan 11 2018, 06:58 PM)
One also
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That would be HY then biggrin.gif

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