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post Jun 25 2023, 11:02 PM

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QUOTE(karhoe @ Jun 25 2023, 10:17 PM)
Hi guys,

I'm planning to build a new PC, my current one of 10 years just died (PSU blew) and I thought of getting something new. The only thing that I will reuse is my casing. I will not be playing any games at all, but just using it for light photo editing / video editing. I may start playing game in the future, but when that happens I would just pop in a graphics card so it's good to have something that's future proof where it can accommodate me plugging in a graphics card.

The motherboard must have a display port as I'm connecting it to my 2 x 2k resolution monitors via Displayport MST.

CPU - Core i5 13400  - RM1049
Mobo - TUF B660M-Plus Gaming Wifi D5 - RM959
RAM - XPG Lancer 5200 32GB - RM699
NVME - Kingston Renegade 1TB - RM399
PSU - FSP HV Pro 550W RM249

Just wondering if you guys have any inputs on this.

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For video editing you need a bigger drive, 2TB unless you have a scratch SSD.

And if you can only afford that shitty DDR5 ram speeds then Id say better go for myway reco:

i5-13500 - RM1135
b760 P wifi - RM799
PA120 Black - RM179 or PA120 SE balack - Rm159
RAM: KINGSTON FURY BEAST 3200Mhz (2x 16GB) RM370.00
SSD: KINGSTON KC3000 PCIe 4.0 NVMe M.2 SSD 2TB RM618.00

That 550W HV Pro will do fine for the above but if you want to add a GPU then get the 650W version for (xx60 class) or a better 750-850W (for xx70-80 class). BTW RM250 for the 550W version is really expensive since I got the 650W one at slightly over 200.
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post Jun 26 2023, 12:04 AM

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post Jun 26 2023, 12:05 AM

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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Jun 24 2023, 10:54 PM)
DDR5 is the future no doubt but right now it is a very expensive future. IMHO its still very early and will take more years to reach price/performance parity with DDR4.

ATM cheapest 5200 DDR5 kits still has 70-90% premium over similar cheapest 3200 DDR4 kits at same size 32GB. Whats galling is except for bandwith intensive apps, others like gaming sees no significant difference in real world performance. A fast DDR4 kit with low latency priced the same as standard DDR5 will actually perform better in such situations so low end DDR5 sux.

To really leverage on this new tech you need to go up and that means 6000+ and above speeds (for intel), this way it will start to outpace fastest DDR4 performance and if you want to add more RAM in future, lets say a 7000MHZ kit would have be affordable in 3 years time, then ur current 6000+ RAM wont badly hamper ur new ones unlike if you use those new with bog slow 5200 sticks.

Right now with Intel 12/13/14 gen one still have a cheaper path to new hardware.
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QUOTE(karhoe @ Jun 25 2023, 11:15 PM)
Ah, seems like no one is recommending DDR5 yet. Still not ready for mainstream adoption from a price/performance perspective? Oh, i forgot to mention, I'm less into gaming but would prefer some 'blinks' ie ARGB mobo and ARGB DDR sticks  tongue.gif
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You can read what I wrote about DDR5 2 pages prior
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post Jun 26 2023, 12:14 AM

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QUOTE(sparketh @ Jun 25 2023, 11:06 PM)
Try consider getting a b660 to cut cost. No difference to b760 since ure using ddr4. Can save more
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Affordable B660 mobo with acceptable VRMs are getting less in the market as they get replaced by B760. Those like MSI Pro B660M-A are getting reduced while Asrock PG Riptide is prolly gone. For i5 nonK i guess still could use Asrock Pro RS & Giga D3SH which shd still be available but they arent suitable for i7 so no upgrade path there.
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post Jun 27 2023, 05:38 PM

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QUOTE(targon @ Jun 26 2023, 10:04 AM)
Ah there's always ppl who are reluctant to make the jump.
Citing cost this and that.
As I said earlier, if u can afford it, just buy and use it.
What's the issue with that ?
Price/performance is not an argument for an enthusiast and hobbyist.
I remember paying 2k+ for a pair of trident z5 when launched. No regrets in that.
It's ready for mass adoption as prices have dropped a lot
D4 is at life end. Another 1+ year and the next Intel platform will be wholly D5 based. 
So it boils down to the individual user. Do not be deterred by some who discouraged users from D5.
The reason why u see lots D4 builds here due to budget constraints.
If u want an acceptable build/rig with quality components, just save up and buy it. There's no need to whinging all the way about rm currency which is counter productive.
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enthusiast and hobbyist ≠ mass adoption sweat.gif

A fast DDR5 kit that would have some performance advantage over fast DDR4 kit are still DOUBLE the price or more. It will tip the scale eventually but not today.
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post Jun 28 2023, 09:56 AM

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QUOTE(zioburosky13 @ Jun 27 2023, 03:06 PM)
Hello everyone.
Refer to this post: https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=5387187&hl=

I am currently looking for a good B550 mobo/motherboard for a Ryzen 9 5900X, while doing RMA for the current X570 mobo.

Of all the following, which is the best option? (I don't do overclocking)
1) MSI B550 Gaming Gen 3.
2) MSI Mag B550 Tomahawk Max Wi Fi
3) MSI B550 Mortar Max Wi Fi
4) Gigabyte B550 Aorus Elite Gaming
5) Asus Tuf Gaming B550M Plus Wi Fi II
6) Asus Prime B550M-A
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Based on ur list Tomahawk is best then Mortar if want cheaper. Asus are overpriced TU(rd)F and Giga has backdoor BIOS.
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post Jun 29 2023, 12:08 AM

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QUOTE(myway1985 @ Jun 28 2023, 06:43 PM)
I7 12700 RM1469
B66m msi a WiFi D4 rm659
32gb 3600mhz Kingston fury beast black RM409
2tb pny cs3030 gen 3x4 nvme RM 479
1st player steampunk 850 gold rm399
Azza hive 450m rm259
Thermalright pa120 se rm159
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Just be warned that unless super lucky with silicon lottery, that 3600MHZ RAM needs to XMP+(manually tuned) to run on nonK CPU.
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post Jun 29 2023, 12:45 PM

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QUOTE(myway1985 @ Jun 29 2023, 06:24 AM)
Long time no quote 3600mhz de...XD
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Naw... if its you building & setting up that system Im sure you can tune RAM so it can get 3600MHZ @G1 mode rclxms.gif

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post Jun 29 2023, 11:23 PM

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QUOTE(Christensen @ Jun 29 2023, 08:50 PM)
this build is picked from the pricelist of the same computer shop with the similar spec recommended here ><''
heard that if dont pick all the parts from the same shop will kena hoot
then I change to Crucial P5 Plus M.2 NVMe?
wow Asus RX 6750 XT has better performance than GTX 3060 Ti
sorry noob question, this GPU got any compatibility concern on mobo or processor?
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Hyper 212 is ancient and freaking overpriced! For that cost you could ady get a PA120 that will shit performance on that dino cooler.

But for ur case ie 13500 a ID SE224XT/XTS or Thermalright AK120 will do fine and both are far cheaper than that 212.

6750XT does outperform 3060TI but in RT it will drop down to 3060 nonTI levels. So depends on how you game.
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QUOTE(TristanX @ Jun 29 2023, 11:30 PM)
RT is pointless with crappy VRAM. You need better than that to do proper RT anyway.
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RT works well with DLSS to reduce RAM usage on 3060TI, and RT 1080P High is sufficient no need set Ultra to enjoy
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QUOTE(Christensen @ Jun 30 2023, 01:29 PM)
sobs they dont have PA120 in their brochure.. so I pick among the cheapest in their list..

maybe I buy PA120 somewhere else and let them assemble hope they wont hoot me ><''
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None of the option you have there is good value, merely overpriced.
You can try ask them if they can install for you, maybe might charge you a bit. Just tell you bought from fren/relative/jiran or something lah if worry they sound you. But if they want ur business they wont straightaway scold you.

As for the mobo in ur list go for MSI Pro B660M-A if you dont mind MATX size

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QUOTE(myway1985 @ Jun 30 2023, 11:31 PM)
Dun say like tat.. lowyat price anyhow oso better than some cut throat shop in ulu place . I7 4th gen laptop can sell u rm1k..n put a green moon flag in front their shop..
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Naw, am not talking about that shop... but CM & Cryorig stuff I seen locally are sold at cutthroat prices. Imagine granddaddy Hyper212 sold for RM 17x (shopee prices ya) which can ady get far superior PA120.

But then ahh.. this shop oso partially at fault for not having more options, their cheaper option; CM, their more expensive option; Dark Rock Pro 4. What the lancau wei!

Ulu shops is understandable as they can only hold onto so many inventory they could afford, and clearing out takes time but if this is from lowyat shops then its a disgrace.
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QUOTE(Christensen @ Jul 2 2023, 12:44 PM)
Yah I bought PA120 black RM165 liao.. will give them to install and tell them from nearby shop hehehe thanks ya
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Yea see... ur plonking down 4-5k into their pockets so they wont argue about an <rm200 part which wont affect the warranty of the rest of the system. Shops want ur business these days.

QUOTE(Christensen @ Jul 2 2023, 02:04 PM)
ah PSU not 750 enough? seeing shopee currently selling RM519 only

https://shopee.com.my/CORSAIR-RM750E-(750W)...462.18667494226

but somehow Lazada selling RM455??
https://www.lazada.com.my/products/psu-cors...3398569970.html

for the mobo, u are referring this one?
https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/PRO-B760M-A-WIFI-DDR4
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750W is more than plenty enuff for i5+4070 but will have little headroom if later wanna upgrade CPU to i7 class & GPU to x80 class. If pricing difference with 850W is not a big jump then why not since a good capacity PSU can be carried over to a new system next time.
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QUOTE(myway1985 @ Jul 4 2023, 12:55 PM)
hikvision.. CCTV taikor.. higher tdw than kingston.. tried.. speed oso not bad
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It pique my interest but when I read the product info this is DRAMless using rarely seen controller brand Maxio shakehead.gif
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QUOTE(XeactorZ @ Jul 9 2023, 08:37 PM)
I thought DDR5 motherboard quite expensive? Saw few Asus DDR5 motherboard, nearly all of them selling RM 1k and above
2TB SSD seems overkill laugh.gif
How about Kingston Fury renegade ssd?

Btw the RAM is CL 40?

Do you have any other casing to recommend?
No DDR4 for me
And RM850E seems overkill laugh.gif
Although I had no idea whether I will change GPU or not whistling.gif
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If want to maintain the DVD burner, not many cases these days have ODD slot. Coolermaster is pretty much the only one branded remaining. Can try to reuse ur old case or else can see if locally got these CM:
https://www.coolermaster.com/my/en-my/catal...ower/elite-300/

https://www.coolermaster.com/my/en-my/catal...ower/elite-500/

https://www.coolermaster.com/my/en-my/catal...asterbox-e300l/

Or else just buy a more modern airflow case and spend a bit more for an external burner.
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QUOTE(TristanX @ Jul 10 2023, 12:26 AM)
You can stuff ODD on Fractal Pop Air.
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Not sure if its meant for ext burners. Even fractal info showed its more for hotswap HDD
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QUOTE(miong93 @ Jul 10 2023, 11:07 AM)
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> Good Mobo and PSU (as I plan to upgrade to better RAM / CPU / GPU in future, so hopefully can have those which is compatible with future hardware, IF possible)
> 16GB ram. DDR4 is okay as long as the Mobo can support switching to DDR5 in future when it gets cheaper
> Prefer to have mini-itx casing, something like kxrors s300, as i got very limited desk space
> CPU have iGPU if possible, intel or ryzen both are fine
> Budget can top up more if 4.5k max is too unrealistic, sorry didnt follow PC rig thread for few years so don't know the market rate now

[Location] : KL / Selangor
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This request here got a lot of contradictions.

ITX mobos typically arent much good, in the sense of VRM limitations for higher range CPU. Ditto with SFX PSU, granted there could be good ones but I doubt they come at ur price level. If you can upsize to something like SSUPD Meshlicious, then the PSU can go up to ATX range. Or even further upsize to Meshroom S that can fit ATX/MATX mobos within a small footprint.

Tiny SFX case I think only can do up to 13400 + low profile cooler. Both SSUPD can fit up to 280mm rad so it can pair up to Ksku CPU.

RAM gen you have to decide now whether DDR4 or DDR5, only rare novelty mobos have slots for both types, and still you cannot pair both together so its a waste of money. If budget is not hard limit, Get a i5/i7 + B760M mobo + 32GB 6400 DDR5 CL32~36.
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QUOTE(XeactorZ @ Jul 10 2023, 02:26 PM)
No idea the vrm stuff rclxub.gif

How to reuse the windows 10 key? that key haven't been use previously
Just want to know can I don't install windows 10 and straight install windows 11 and activate it using windows 10 key hmm.gif
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If you watched that B660 review, then you will the idea about VRM stuff. Haha.'
The B660/B760 differences arent so significant so that B660 review verdict does apply to B760, get either MSI Pro -A, whichever B660 or B760.

Install Win11 and key in ur Win10 product key. If it doesnt work, it doesnt work. Reinstall with Win10 and upgrade. Whichever OS, make sure to use the version which ur key is limited to ie Home key use only for Home version.
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QUOTE(miong93 @ Jul 10 2023, 05:44 PM)
Thanks for the reply. Sorry for the weird request, as I'm totally new to PC rig world, so got no idea of those issue you mentioned.

My main concern is the limited space I have for the rig, so preferably small form factor.

So let say if I tweak my requirement to be small form factor, NO overclocking, DDR4 ram 32gb (16gb ram is fine also), a decent PSU which won't fry up the PC part, a decent mobo (if able to upgrade i5 to i7 in future is a plus, or any Ryzen counterpart etc), will that still be possible?
I also won't be going for any top tier GPU in the future as well like rtx4080 etc, at most is upgrading to budget range (also understand that there is no guaranteed future proof, as the new component spec may change so mobo cant fit).

I guess I'll have to google up to read some PC building knowledge also to pick up on those core knowledge so I can get a better hang of thing like what is possible what is not.

Do you have any article or place I can start with?

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SFX are really niche here which is why I guess theres only 1 reco from the sifus here. Not many SF kakis as builders then to face more frustration than fun. But here is a good video for you to understand really how to build one, what are the kind of issues faced, what compromises made, how it was setup so it could run well





It ties in with TristanX quote and to ur questions; yes despite not seeking to OC you likely will need a Ksku CPU to undervolt so that temps well go down or else go for lower end nonK 12400/13400. Cooling wise an AIO is the most effective to vent heat out as SFX will be a space heater if not.

PS, many Western SFX utubers have access to specialised parts which works in SFX builds ie Nvidia FE GPU or 'blower' style GPU. Without such access here in Msia it is even more difficult to build one.

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QUOTE(XeactorZ @ Jul 11 2023, 11:58 AM)
Bro it's width 232mm laugh.gif

Unless I put the casing on floor with cpu stand then I got lot of choice doh.gif
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Montech Air 100 https://www.montechpc.com/en/products_detail.php?nid=225

210mm wide, Ngam ngam fit ur space.

Add Type A to Type C adaptor for cheap
https://www.lazada.com.my/products/baseus-u...8492256265.html?


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