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post Aug 19 2025, 11:36 AM

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QUOTE(myway1985 @ Aug 19 2025, 11:16 AM)
Ryzen 7 7800X3D  RM1,499.00
B650m MSI gaming Plus wifi  RM699.00
64GB 5600mhz value ram  RM800.00
2TB KC3000  RM739
1st player 850w ngdp gold  RM489.00
1st player fd8 black casing  RM229.00
thermalright pa 120 se  RM150.00
Colorful 5070ti nb rm3899
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post Aug 21 2025, 02:29 PM

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Value for money B650m MSI gaming Plus wifi mobos will end soon. Whoever wanting to build AM5 rig better do so now before B650 ups in pricing.
https://www.techpowerup.com/340133/amd-b650...rry-the-segment

B850 mobos are quite a bit pricier and doubtful they will reduce anytime soon.
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post Aug 22 2025, 09:54 AM

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QUOTE(westlife @ Aug 22 2025, 01:52 AM)
anyone of u on windows 10, upgraded to windows 11 becos windows 10 will soon be out of support?
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I went Win11 when I switch over to NVME SSD, many have suggested to port to Win10 LTSC /IOT if want to stay and still get updates but imho most regular software (inc games!) will sooner drop support for Win10 because the assumption is regular PC users should have upgraded to 11 after 10 is EOL.
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post Aug 22 2025, 02:38 PM

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QUOTE(westlife @ Aug 22 2025, 01:18 PM)
windows 10 LTSC how to port to it? it is a free downgrade or what?  tongue.gif
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LOL Google lar. Lotsa utube videos show how to turn your Pro into LTSC/ IOT but with caveats certain features not included in LTSC.
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post Aug 22 2025, 04:21 PM

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QUOTE(westlife @ Aug 22 2025, 03:29 PM)
ic. then it actually has no point. might as well switch to windows 11 directly since it is free upgrade anyway.

upgraded mine. so far so good. even on this old PC, the experience so far is quite similarly to windows 10.

will monitor for a while to confirm it is ok overall. before i remove the previous windows 10 related files to save space (as even upgraded to windows 11 now, i can revert back to windows 10 anytime still).

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Just upgraded? Heres a pro tip to speed up Win11 (only if you know what your doing)


If you still can dual boot into your Win10, clone backup it to another HDD/SSD just in case shit happens. Also clone your fresh install Win11 just so you have a reference point to return to in case shit happens further down. My fave is Macrorit.

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post Aug 25 2025, 11:34 AM

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QUOTE(westlife @ Aug 24 2025, 03:37 PM)
bro, thanks. i tried the tips in the video you shared.

by disabling quite a no of useless things which i do not need. the speed of the overall PC can feel faster by a bit.

especially watching youtube video on chome, previously just upgraded, it loads the video very slow. now faster by quite a bit.  tongue.gif

dun think there is a need to downgrade back to windows 10.
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With Oct dateline coming fast, there really isnt any need for regular PC users to go back to Win10. From security PoV you get full support from MS, other hardwares & softwares are also starting to stop supporting Win10 https://www.techpowerup.com/322495/amd-to-d...processors?cp=4

Theres ways for power users & businesses to maintain with Win10 (ie LTSC/IOT) but thats because they know the risks and know how to fix issues unlike the majority normal users like you and me. Eventually tho they still need upgrade to 11 (or jump to 12 later) and because versions can differ greatly, the sooner you 'jump' to Win11 the lower each incremental steps to learn the new setup.

Just dont install the most latest updates to give it time to 'cook' fully. Recent half bake 24H2 is killing Phison based SSDs.
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post Aug 29 2025, 03:51 PM

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Another optimised game that showed the early demise of 8GB cards have been prematured

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https://www.techpowerup.com/review/metal-ge...ke-eater/7.html

The game is taxing on all GPUS inc even 5090 (120 FPS in native 1080P Ultra!) but it appear VRAM has no bearing on difference in perf (24GB 7900XTX loses to 16GB 9070XT despite being 1 tier higher).

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The tiers showed raw GPU horsepower difference clearly.

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post Aug 29 2025, 03:58 PM

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QUOTE(wch05 @ Aug 29 2025, 03:43 PM)
may i ask, why AMD CPU than intel right now ?  hmm.gif
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AMD X3D CPUS are king, queen, jack, aces CPUS for gaming. But gaming only, otherwise its quite meh vs Intel.
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post Aug 30 2025, 11:17 AM

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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Aug 30 2025, 10:09 AM)
Again, FPS numbers do not tell the whole story, especially things like missing/downgraded textures are not something you can quantify with benchmark numbers icon_idea.gif
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It appears this is not the case otherwise Wizz would have written about it. Missing/downgraded textures would happen if VRAM usage is hitting the 8GB limit but the usage as shown is still below that except for 4K Ultra (I wouldnt be playing at that setting with 8GB midtier GPU tho). Texture pop in was noted but that appears on all GPUS as its a UE5 game engine thing.

Japanese game makers (like all things Japanese) has a sense for quality and wouldnt rush out for the sake of rushing out (unlike the many Western AAA games) so theres more optimised refinement in their creations.
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post Sep 4 2025, 08:36 AM

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QUOTE(jwgs @ Sep 3 2025, 06:42 PM)
Sifus,

Mostly gaming, some video editing:

CPU : Ryzen 7 7800x3d
Mobo: MSI B650 GAMING PLUS
RAM: 2x Acer Predator Pallas II 16GB DDR5-6000 CL30
SSD: Kingston KC3000 2TB
HDD: 1x for storage 3 TB / 4 TB
Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 140
PSU: Cooler Master MWE Gold 850W V3 ATX 3.1
Casing: Lian Li Lancool 207

GPU: 5070 Ti /9070 XT / 9070 undecided, I am thinking either 5070ti or 9070, is there a brand to avoid or just grab the cheapest? What would be the price range?

I am thinking of buying at the shop
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so they can assemble for me, then GPU on shopee for discount.

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JustIT & Dota has shopee/Laz webshops so you can buy from them online and ask to assembly it, GPU also they have in shoppee/Laz, can get all from them.

For GPU avoid Giga (all makes) as they use cheapo melting goop to replace thermal paste, go with AIB that uses PTM for the GPU core. Locally someone has poor experience with PNY due long delay for RMAing his GPU so maybe can avoid them if can.

For PSU thats a B+ rated, I think for the money can get other brands rated A tier like NGDP, Core Reactor 2, Hydro G/Pro/PTM/TI, etc

EDIT: For KL location can try find sifus here; Myway or Tristanx as their PC builders too.

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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Sep 3 2025, 09:55 PM)
Using GPU cost per frame metric from Hardware Unboxed and based on Shopee prices:

1. Sapphire RX9070 XT Pulse (https://my.shp.ee/BNi8BES)  - RM3099, RM27.67/frame
2. Sapphire RX9070 Pulse (https://my.shp.ee/QvsdY4n) - RM2648, RM25.96/frame
3. Colorful RTX5070 Ti Battle Ax (https://my.shp.ee/QvsdY4n) - RM3559, RM30.42/frame

Relative to each other, the RX9070 offers around 17% better cost per frame over the 5070 Ti, and the XT model is about 10% better in terms of cost per frame  icon_idea.gif

If you do go for the Radeon card you will have to deal with the lower ray tracing and video encoding performance (it's still far superior to what the RX7000 series offers though) icon_idea.gif
However, do note that there is a driver update that boosts the Radeon performance quite a bit so keep this in mind icon_idea.gif

On the other hand, the 5070 Ti do offers better ray tracing performance and upscaling, so whether those features do justify the extra spending is up to you icon_idea.gif

P.S. you might want to avoid the MSI Shadow model, if the review of the MSI 5050 Shadow model by Hardware Unboxed is of any indication icon_idea.gif
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If add in, RT, DLSS 4 vs FSR4, and MFG, and if do encoding or apps via CUDA... 5070TI value goes above the Radeons. So do consider that as well. Pure raster perf only tells one side of story.
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QUOTE(jwgs0010 @ Sep 4 2025, 10:39 PM)
Is liquid cooler better or overrated?
Any downside for tray version of 7800X3D ?
Is it likely to have CPU & GPU price drop, like soon?

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Unless your doing some kinda OCing, yes its overrated. A good aircooler ie Frozn A620/720, TR PA120/140/ PS120 will handle even i9 at stock boosted speeds. And then the pump which will fail sooner than aircooler fans.
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QUOTE(jwgs0010 @ Sep 5 2025, 05:54 PM)
Nah, prob no any OC. Was thinking of exhaust for top side, the air coolers looks huge in size, takut block/affect the GPU
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Even chunggous D15 will just barely clear the thickest GPU backplate so so far I havent heard that big coolers can prevent GPU installs. Some go with AIO just for the looks coz dont like to see a big block inside (like a recent reco for 360AIO pair with 12400).
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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Sep 5 2025, 06:51 PM)
Yes, but does it warrant the extra spending?  RT is still not worth the large performance hit over its supposed visual improvements, and not everyone like FG either (aka fake frames) icon_idea.gif
Another point in favor of the 9070s is that most AIB models tend to use the good ol' 8 pin power connectors which tend to be a lot more reliable than the failure prone 12VHPWR/12V2x6 connector on the 5070s icon_idea.gif
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At 5070TI perf yes, its worth to turn on all those features, MFG is depends on person doesnt really need it with its GPU grunt, but FG is getting better like DLSS once was bad before. 12V2x6 doesnt seem to be an issue with lower power cards, I would put 5070TI tops as the most safest since I havent heard it burnout yet.
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QUOTE(UnknownMy @ Sep 6 2025, 02:25 PM)
Just to confirm, we can actually buy online and then request the same shop to assemble for us? No need to buy from physical shop for them to assemble it, right?

Also, is there any PC shop help assemble for PC part from multi source of purchased? What I mean is, if I buy CPU, Mobo, Graphic, Fan & PSU from seller, then I buy RAM, SSD & case my own. Can I ask seller A to assembly it, or got seller/shop that accept such request?
I don't mind pay for the assembly & test, and understand that some part will not have warranty support from the shop.

Sorry if my question look funny, coz I am not familiar with the Rig building.
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The bigger ones with physical shops mostly do but you need to ask them first before placing the order. IIRC Dotatech was FOC if you buy all from them.

Which means your 2nd question is a bit more difficult as seller would have issues if found that your stuff got problem, whose at fault and are they liable to replace you then? SSD maybe still okay if your want to port your current windows to new PC but RAM, case, too better get from the same shop. Again, pls confirm with the shop before you place your order, screenshot those msgs just in case.
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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Sep 6 2025, 10:56 AM)
No idea, but the 5070 Super should be a good competitor to the 9070, if Nvidia didn't screw up the pricing (knowing current GPU market it's going to happen anyway) sweat.gif
There's also the purported RX9070 GRE 16GB which should fit quite well between the 9070 and the 9060 XT (probably as a replacement for the 7800XT) icon_idea.gif

If the rumors are indeed accurate they should be releasing in September/October this year icon_idea.gif
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Supers are supposedly coming out in time for Xmas season tho.
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QUOTE(Hezegroth @ Sep 8 2025, 11:24 AM)
Hi not urgently purchase. For gaming purpose. If something better coming out willing to wait.

Item will be reused Asus prime 9060xt, QHD monitor. Seasonic 1000w psu.

Budget 2k
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For RM 2K is tough! Reuse SSD & case too?

Can try

MSI B850M Pro-A / Gaming Plus Wifi (B650 version might be gone by that time)
2x16GB DDR5 6000 CL30 or lower
PA120SE or Frozn A620
AM5 R5 or better CPU depends on how much your budget still left (at least can upgrade to 9800x3d later)

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QUOTE(myway1985 @ Sep 10 2025, 07:31 AM)
tambah sikit for alienware AW3425DWM??
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VA smearfest. That Acer at least its IPS
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QUOTE(Zarak @ Sep 9 2025, 09:28 PM)
Hi guys, looking for some advice on the following build. Main purpose is gaming at 1440p

Games currently playing  WoW, Dota, LoL & Space Marines 2

AMD RYZEN 5 7500F
MSI B650M GAMING PLUS WIFI
KINGSTON KC3000 1TB
ACER PREDATOR PALLAS II DDR5 6000MT/s CL 30-38-38-76
SAPPHIRE PULSE AMD RADEON RX 9060XT GAMING OC 16GB
LIAN LI LANCOOL 205M MESH
THERMALRIGHT PEERLESS ASSASSIN 120
DEEPCOOL PN750M ATX3.1
ACER PREDATOR XB273UV3 27" IPS 2560x1440@180HZ WQHD
KEYBOARD & MOUSE
RM6041

Is there any improvement that I can do for this build

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You might wanna build this rig now or at least buy the mobo now to build later coz AMD had just stop making B650 chipsets.

Also I would reco nonPhison SSDs (ie KC3000) for now.
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QUOTE(Olibur @ Sep 11 2025, 09:36 PM)
Good Day Sifus,

[B][Budget] Maybe around 6-8k

[Purpose] Gaming

[Hardwares that will be re-use] have a 5080 asus prime,

[Monitor resolution]  5120x1440

[Games & softwares that use frequently] currently dota 2, wow, total war series etc

[Personal preferences] im using a 49" samsung odyssey if it matters

[Location] KL

currently looking to get these parts, would like some input if there should be any changes i make
7800x3d
asus tuf B850
Corsair Vengeance 64GB
Samsung 990 EVO 2TB m.2 gen 4
Corsair RM850X
Fractal Design North XL
DEEPCOOL Mystique 360 ARGB

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Any reason going with Asus mobo? There are plenty of good cheaper options considering B850 is just a lower midrange chipset so no need to spend more.

Best value budgets https://www.techspot.com/review/3027-amd-b850-motherboards/

For samsung SSD, I would cross shop with cheaper brands Gen5 SSD using SM2508 ie Adata, Lexar, etc as prices for both might come very similar. Buy whichever is cheaper.

For AIO I would reco for Bequiet! stuff as their AIO allows user to topup the coolant which will help to prolong pump lifespan (which will mitigate issue of AIO spoiling)


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