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post Feb 26 2017, 10:45 PM, updated 9y ago

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Hey guys i plan on buying a pc but ive heard bulding one is better, what can i build with a budget of 4500 and i want it to be pretty good for gaming
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QUOTE(Echomulus @ Feb 26 2017, 10:45 PM)
Hey guys i plan on buying a pc but ive heard bulding one is better, what can i build with a budget of 4500 and i want it to be pretty good for gaming
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post Feb 27 2017, 11:07 AM

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QUOTE(Echomulus @ Feb 26 2017, 10:45 PM)
Hey guys i plan on buying a pc but ive heard bulding one is better, what can i build with a budget of 4500 and i want it to be pretty good for gaming
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Building one is always better as you can customize it according to your needs. More importantly, you avoid having to pay a premium over branded ones.

Would help to know what resolution you are planning to run eg 1080p, 1440p, 4k and the kind of games you are into. Also, your RM4500 budget is inclusive of monitor and other peripherals like keyboard, mouse, etc or just for the rig?
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post Feb 27 2017, 11:16 AM

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with that budget , u can smile already

but still. wait for ryzen review out and u can finalize ur built

btw u can start finding other piece

1. NVMe Pcie ssd : either samsung 950 or intel 750 is good
2. HDD : 1-3 tb is ok.
3. RAM : minimum 8gb.. preferably 16gb. kingston fury X is good budget already. u dont need high performance ram aka pricey ram tbh
4. GFX : this is the large chunk of ur budget.. check out last year 1070 or 1080 ( meanwhile the next gen gfx is around the corner already from AMD and Nvidia )
5. CPU & motherboard.. expect 2k budget here if u want ryzen 7 or i7

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post Feb 27 2017, 03:39 PM

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Sometimes you just can't wait no more. That happened to me once.
But how soon do you "need" this pc rig, eh TS?
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post Feb 27 2017, 04:35 PM

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QUOTE(richard912 @ Feb 27 2017, 11:07 AM)
Building one is always better as you can customize it according to your needs. More importantly, you avoid having to pay a premium over branded ones.

Would help to know what resolution you are planning to run eg 1080p, 1440p, 4k and the kind of games you are into. Also, your RM4500 budget is inclusive of monitor and other peripherals like keyboard, mouse, etc or just for the rig?
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Just the rig and i dunno i preffer 1440p or 4k if possible with my budget
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post Feb 27 2017, 04:36 PM

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QUOTE(salimbest83 @ Feb 27 2017, 11:16 AM)
with that budget , u can smile already

but still. wait for ryzen review out and u can finalize ur built

btw u can start finding other piece

1. NVMe Pcie ssd  : either samsung 950 or intel 750 is good
2. HDD : 1-3 tb is ok.
3. RAM : minimum 8gb.. preferably 16gb. kingston fury X is good budget already. u dont need high performance ram aka pricey ram tbh
4. GFX : this is the large chunk of ur budget.. check out last year 1070 or 1080 ( meanwhile the next gen gfx is around the corner already from AMD and Nvidia )
5. CPU & motherboard.. expect 2k budget here if u want ryzen 7 or i7
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When are the amd ryzen cpus coming out?

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post Feb 27 2017, 04:37 PM

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QUOTE(abu.shofwan @ Feb 27 2017, 03:39 PM)
Sometimes you just can't wait no more. That happened to me once.
But how soon do you "need" this pc rig, eh TS?
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I can wait a month but i really want it sooner
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post Feb 27 2017, 04:40 PM

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QUOTE(salimbest83 @ Feb 27 2017, 11:16 AM)
with that budget , u can smile already

but still. wait for ryzen review out and u can finalize ur built

btw u can start finding other piece

1. NVMe Pcie ssd  : either samsung 950 or intel 750 is good
2. HDD : 1-3 tb is ok.
3. RAM : minimum 8gb.. preferably 16gb. kingston fury X is good budget already. u dont need high performance ram aka pricey ram tbh
4. GFX : this is the large chunk of ur budget.. check out last year 1070 or 1080 ( meanwhile the next gen gfx is around the corner already from AMD and Nvidia )
5. CPU & motherboard.. expect 2k budget here if u want ryzen 7 or i7
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How much would 1tb plus ram and ssd cost ?

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post Feb 27 2017, 04:56 PM

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QUOTE(Echomulus @ Feb 27 2017, 04:35 PM)
Just the rig and i dunno i preffer 1440p or 4k if possible with my budget
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With your budget, running games adequately in 4k will be challenging. Below is more suited for 1080p and possibly 1440p with lower in-game settings:

1. CPU - i5-7500 (RM899) - can save some if go for i5-7400 (RM835)
2. MOBO - Gigabyte GA-Gaming B8 (RM589)
3. RAM - GSkill 2x8Gb DDR4-2800 (RM649)
4. Gigabyte GTX1060 Windforce OC 6GB (RM1385)
5. PSU FSP HEXA+550W (RM229) - I would suggest a better PSU eg SuperFlower Leadex Silver 650W (RM399)
6. Case - Fractal Design Defince C window (RM399)
7. SSD - Samsung 850 EVO 120Gb (RM299)
8. HDD - 1TB 7200rpm (RM219)

Total - RM4668 before "rebates" from Idealtech.

You can check it out here.
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post Feb 27 2017, 05:32 PM

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QUOTE(Echomulus @ Feb 27 2017, 04:37 PM)
I can wait a month but i really want it sooner
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I doubt that we can get AMD's Ryzen 5 at that time. so from red camp, you only have ryzen 7 to look to. but they're expensive, $329 for the lowest priced one. and that's without a heatsink/fan. correct me if i'm wrong, please, guys.

might want to look for second hand i7 though. in my mind, a cpu is quite safe to buy 2nd hand (worst would probably be hdd/ssd).

get that and you can build around it. i tend to agree with salimbest83 above.

for GPU, go for 1060 6gb at least. RAM 16gb - normal type is ok already.

don't forget, SSD. the normal SATA type is good enough already. Better types of SSD would require better mobo, so price might be the limiting factor.


edit.

last time I built my rig, cost about 4k with i5 (new, not second hand) with roughly the above guidelines.

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post Feb 28 2017, 08:21 AM

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QUOTE(Echomulus @ Feb 27 2017, 04:36 PM)
When are the amd ryzen cpus coming out?
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already preordering time from 22 Feb
official release date on store is 2 Mac

until then. just wait and see which one better
but u know.. the cheapest is RM1.5k


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QUOTE(richard912 @ Feb 27 2017, 04:56 PM)
With your budget, running games adequately in 4k will be challenging. Below is more suited for 1080p and possibly 1440p with lower in-game settings:

1. CPU - i5-7500 (RM899) - can save some if go for i5-7400 (RM835)
2. MOBO - Gigabyte GA-Gaming B8 (RM589)
3. RAM - GSkill 2x8Gb DDR4-2800 (RM649)
4. Gigabyte GTX1060 Windforce OC 6GB (RM1385)
5. PSU FSP HEXA+550W (RM229) - I would suggest a better PSU eg SuperFlower Leadex Silver 650W (RM399)
6. Case - Fractal Design Defince C window (RM399)
7. SSD - Samsung 850 EVO 120Gb (RM299)
8. HDD - 1TB 7200rpm (RM219)

Total - RM4668 before "rebates" from Idealtech.

You can check it out here.
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quite nice build.
here my few edit that with my focus on saving as much and get better performance / user experience

3. RAM - GSkill 2x8Gb DDR4-2800 (RM649) get the Corsair Memory 8GB (1x8GB) DDR4 2133MHz CL15 DIMM (CMV8GX4M1A2133C15)
RM 250x2 .. shave 150 here

7. SSD - Samsung 850 EVO 120Gb (RM299).. u need 240gb in 2017 with 16gb ram and few steam games

6. Case - Fractal Design Defince C window (RM399).. can shave another 200+ here and go to ur ssd
( i bought my last thermaltake case with 2 usb 3 front panel for just 125 tho )



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post Feb 28 2017, 09:16 AM

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If you wanna play games on 1440p:

1. GPU: At least get a GTX1070 for your build.
2. PROC+MOBO: If you are planning to overclock, get a Z-series mobo if you wanna go for intel so that even if you do not have the budget for an unlocked processor now, you can always upgrade in the future without the need of changing other mobo. Or wait for ryzen release of the R5 series.
3. RAM: Depending on your mobo choice, if you are not planning to overclock, just buy a basic 2133mhz ram (that looks nice ofc) because only Z-series mobo supports ram oc. There are H170/B150 mobo that supports ram oc by tweaking bclk but it won't matter much if you are not into overclocking anyways.
4. PSU: get at least 80+ bronze certified psu.
5. HDD/SSD: Any 1TB hdd is fine. SSD can be put on hold if you are on the edge of your budget.
6. Case: Any case that you like. This is a very subjective matter.

Example build:
GTX1070 Strix rm1899
Intel i56400 rm800
Asrock Z170 Extreme 4 rm655 (can swap to B150/H110 and go for better proc if you are not going to overclock)
HyperX Fury DDR4 2400 1x8GB rm303 (can swap to 2133mhz if you are not going to overclock)
Superflower leadex 550W 80+ gold rm429 (can swap for at least cheaper 80+ bronze but this here is Tier 1 psu which is very very good one)
1TB WD Blue HDD rm210
Tecware Titan Case rm259

Total RM4555


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QUOTE(arffrhn @ Feb 28 2017, 09:16 AM)
If you wanna play games on 1440p:

1. GPU: At least get a GTX1070 for your build.
2. PROC+MOBO: If you are planning to overclock, get a Z-series mobo if you wanna go for intel so that even if you do not have the budget for an unlocked processor now, you can always upgrade in the future without the need of changing other mobo. Or wait for ryzen release of the R5 series.
3. RAM: Depending on your mobo choice, if you are not planning to overclock, just buy a basic 2133mhz ram (that looks nice ofc) because only Z-series mobo supports ram oc. There are H170/B150 mobo that supports ram oc by tweaking bclk but it won't matter much if you are not into overclocking anyways.
4. PSU: get at least 80+ bronze certified psu.
5. HDD/SSD: Any 1TB hdd is fine. SSD can be put on hold if you are on the edge of your budget.
6. Case: Any case that you like. This is a very subjective matter.

Example build:
GTX1070 Strix rm1899
Intel i56400 rm800
Asrock Z170 Extreme 4 rm655 (can swap to B150/H110 and go for better proc if you are not going to overclock)
HyperX Fury DDR4 2400 1x8GB rm303 (can swap to 2133mhz if you are not going to overclock)
Superflower leadex 550W 80+ gold rm429 (can swap for at least cheaper 80+ bronze but this here is Tier 1 psu which is very very good one)
1TB WD Blue HDD rm210
Tecware Titan Case rm259

Total RM4555
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that one i have to disagree.
most of pro reviewer also will disagree on that
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post Feb 28 2017, 10:42 AM

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QUOTE(salimbest83 @ Feb 28 2017, 09:50 AM)
that one i have to disagree.
most of pro reviewer also will disagree on that
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Yep, it's best to have SSD for windows. The one I draft there can be further fine tuned for OP purpose. I agree with you on 240GB ssd addition instead of 120GB. Swapping mobo and psu to cheaper ones will definitely get him a 250GB ssd. But 120GB is a no go for me as even 250GB is only having enough space for like 3-4 AAA games.
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QUOTE(arffrhn @ Feb 28 2017, 10:42 AM)
Yep, it's best to have SSD for windows. The one I draft there can be further fine tuned for OP purpose. I agree with you on 240GB ssd addition instead of 120GB. Swapping mobo and psu to cheaper ones will definitely get him a 250GB ssd. B.ut 120GB is a no go for me as even 250GB is only having enough space for like 3-4 AAA games
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thats what i mean.

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QUOTE(salimbest83 @ Feb 28 2017, 09:50 AM)
that one i have to disagree.
most of pro reviewer also will disagree on that
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i support.
rather than delay ssd, delay the secondary hdd.

must

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ssd

and 240-256 is the minimum (regardless of whether you have a secondary hdd or not)
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QUOTE(abu.shofwan @ Feb 28 2017, 12:03 PM)
i support.
rather than delay ssd, delay the secondary hdd.

must

have

ssd

and 240-256 is the minimum (regardless of whether you have a secondary hdd or not)
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yup. delay the fancy casing and ram is more preferable
and mobo also i think can find a below 600 if dont planning to SLI
those saving really can get 240gb samsung evo 840 or 850 already
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post Feb 28 2017, 03:31 PM

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QUOTE(richard912 @ Feb 27 2017, 04:56 PM)
With your budget, running games adequately in 4k will be challenging. Below is more suited for 1080p and possibly 1440p with lower in-game settings:

1. CPU - i5-7500 (RM899) - can save some if go for i5-7400 (RM835)
2. MOBO - Gigabyte GA-Gaming B8 (RM589)
3. RAM - GSkill 2x8Gb DDR4-2800 (RM649)
4. Gigabyte GTX1060 Windforce OC 6GB (RM1385)
5. PSU FSP HEXA+550W (RM229) - I would suggest a better PSU eg SuperFlower Leadex Silver 650W (RM399)
6. Case - Fractal Design Defince C window (RM399)
7. SSD - Samsung 850 EVO 120Gb (RM299)
8. HDD - 1TB 7200rpm (RM219)

Total - RM4668 before "rebates" from Idealtech.

You can check it out here.
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I dunno really want to go for a 1070 since i want allot of performance

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post Feb 28 2017, 03:33 PM

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QUOTE(salimbest83 @ Feb 28 2017, 11:01 AM)
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thats what i mean.
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Any way i can squeeze in a 1070 cause i really care about performance
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QUOTE(Echomulus @ Feb 28 2017, 03:31 PM)
I dunno really want to go for a 1070 since i want allot of performance
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With higher performance requirement, you will need to up your budget. As suggested by the others, you could squeeze on things like casing and RAM to free up some budget.

If you are not in a hurry, hold off for a bit. News of Intel reducing their prices across all their SKU is starting to hit the market. Good times ahead for consumers
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QUOTE(richard912 @ Feb 28 2017, 03:37 PM)
With higher performance requirement, you will need to up your budget. As suggested by the others, you could squeeze on things like casing and RAM to free up some budget.

If you are not in a hurry, hold off for a bit. News of Intel reducing their prices across all their SKU is starting to hit the market. Good times ahead for consumers
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Hey if i dont eat for a month i could prob add 500 more would that be enough and when will the pricecuts effect malaysian prices?

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QUOTE(Echomulus @ Mar 1 2017, 04:07 AM)
Hey if i dont eat for a month i could prob add 500 more would that be enough and when will the pricecuts effect malaysian prices?
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yup. if u skimp on eating outside and skip entertainment and outing.
can easily save up to 3-500
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QUOTE(Echomulus @ Mar 1 2017, 04:07 AM)
Hey if i dont eat for a month i could prob add 500 more would that be enough and when will the pricecuts effect malaysian prices?
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We all do what we have to, a means to an end. And yes, price cuts will be realised in Malaysia too.
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I have an old system with Intel LGA-775 processor with NVidia GTX460, Creative Titanium HD, 1 SSD, and 3 HDD.

Plan to upgrade to latest processors.
With this change, I need to buy a new motherboard, RAM (DDR4 3200 MHz), processor.

Budget with RM3500.

Please recommend me best combination. Oh ya, can I just use back the rest of the component (sound card, NVidia GTX460)

Thanks in advance.
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QUOTE(audiocool @ May 3 2017, 04:10 PM)
I have an old system with Intel LGA-775 processor with NVidia GTX460, Creative Titanium HD, 1 SSD, and 3 HDD.

Plan to upgrade to latest processors.
With this change, I need to buy a new motherboard, RAM (DDR4 3200 MHz), processor.

Budget with RM3500.

Please recommend me best combination. Oh ya, can I just use back the rest of the component (sound card, NVidia GTX460)

Thanks in advance.
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of coz u can

just buy CPU, Mobo and RAM
ur choice
either Ryzen 7,5 or i7
u good to go
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CORE I7 7700 (4C/8T) 1151 3.6 4.2 8M RM1399
CORE I7 7700K (4C/8T) 1151 4.2 4.5 8M RM1574
CORE I7 6800K ( 6C/12T) 2011V3 3.4 3.6 15M RM1993

Any significant improvement over the larger cache memory of processor.

I prefer Asus but there are so many type Maximus, Strix, Prime.
Which one to choose ?
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QUOTE(audiocool @ May 3 2017, 04:37 PM)
CORE I7 7700 (4C/8T) 1151 3.6 4.2 8M RM1399
CORE I7 7700K (4C/8T) 1151 4.2 4.5 8M RM1574
CORE I7 6800K ( 6C/12T) 2011V3 3.4 3.6 15M RM1993

Any significant improvement over the larger cache memory of processor.

I prefer Asus but there are so many type Maximus, Strix, Prime.
Which one to choose ?
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not really much if you not really into high workload

as for mobo, try find the one that has nvme slot for nvme ssd for later usage

 

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