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post Feb 21 2017, 07:42 AM

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CVT premium here. My FC is about 12.5im/l 100% highway. Daily travel 100km++ around 120-140km/h

Good or bad?
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post Feb 24 2017, 12:09 AM

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QUOTE(skynet2020 @ Feb 23 2017, 11:44 PM)
yes..and also when car is stopping..juz now when i stop my car i thought it was in parking mode already..but actually it was in reverse..

i go out from my car..my car oni start to move backwards..so shocked when i look back...

lucky my fren still inside car pull the handbrake ..if not sure crash behind car.. sad.gif

i wish there was fucking loud noise to warn me on this situation  mega_shok.gif
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Wow. That's really bad.
I guess the sound is because u carry the key down and close the door?
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post Mar 10 2017, 05:52 PM

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All CVT owner, did you guys aware your temp gauge? It will be normal for 3 bars, when you drive on highway, 110-120, especially morning and night, it will reduce to 2 bars? Wanna collect more info before check with SC. So far i know only 2 people having this issue including me.
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post Mar 11 2017, 12:03 PM

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so you guys just treat it as "normal" case for the temp gauge or did you guys check with SC before? I will asked them during coming 10k service.

My wild guess is also because the thermostat that using can't react fast enough for this? My main concern is this will impact the fc as ecu might treat low temp and burn more fuel to keep the temp at nominal?
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post Mar 11 2017, 03:48 PM

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QUOTE(voscar @ Mar 11 2017, 12:17 PM)
There are 2 thermostat, mechanical thermostat controlling the water flow into engine, and electrical thermo sensor controlling the radiator fan spin on off... I believe on highway the thermo sensor already shut off the radiator fan when Aircond cut off, but the mechanical thermostat might having lower temp, says 71-82'c, it still allowing water flow, so you observe lower temp during highway drive.
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I think a car only have 1 thermostat. =p. Sensor and thermostat are different. Sensor read the coolant temp and send info to ECU and did some control over fuel injection or fan Etc. if the temp gauge show not norminal, so it burn more fuel to keep engine hot?

It seen the thermostat have not do it jobs, I did have xp with my old car before, after I remove a thermostat, my temp gauge can still reach nominal temp, when I speed up, the temp gauge will be low again. I guess ECU also not did it job to compensate that? Hmmm. Confusing
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post Mar 11 2017, 04:19 PM

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QUOTE(cheeshong @ Mar 11 2017, 02:00 PM)
If I can really get 7.7L/100km I will be very happy lo.
I know the meter cluster is showing 7.7 but it's contradicting with my actually spending. In reality is like 12L/100km

But these few days I have tried driving below 2000rpm and it really helps to squeeze another 50km out from the fuel tank.
I guess this is something that need you accept
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For my case, almost 95% Highway driving. 14.5km/l while cruising around 110-130km/h where Eco light on. No suddenly pick up. 11.5km/l if cruising at 130-140km/h. Some where in between is around 12km++/l. Not all good not so bad I guess. But tank too small, should have at least 45l instead of 40.
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post Mar 12 2017, 10:39 AM

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QUOTE(voscar @ Mar 11 2017, 08:06 PM)
There's always a tolerance lower value on the thermostat, not sure about new persona, I have read some where the thermostat of campro engine opening is about 82'c.. optimal coolant temp is 90'c, but you can't wait until 90'c only letting the water flow to radiator, it would be too late.
After thermostat allowing water free flowing, it's the job of radiator, fan, and airflow to cool down the water... Of coz those are not constant variable, thus the coolant temp always varying 82-95 during normal driving...
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Yes agree. every items for measurement have it tolerance range. Usually engine operation temp should be at around 90-100C. Every thermostat should have marking stated the temp value where it start to open. Usually 75-85C if not mistaken.

the problem now is why can't they set the 2 bar to 3 bar if really the temp is in acceptance case? It should have a standard that from what reading to what reading is nominal value and this standard should apply to all the car outside the market I guess? Seriously this really worry me after I reading below. Just wanna collect more info and reason to question the SC. Else they won't layan u

From Internet
The thermostat is there primarily to help the engine warm up in the morning. As we discussed in a previous article, the engine is designed to operate at it's operating temperature. Most engine wear occurs when the engine is cold, once it's warmed up there is very little wear in a healthy engine. Thus, we definitely want to run a thermostat to allow the engine to warm up as quickly as possible until it reaches our desired and designed operating temperature.

http://www.tuneruniversity.com/blog/2012/0...-the-advantage/

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post Mar 12 2017, 05:31 PM

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QUOTE(voscar @ Mar 12 2017, 10:47 AM)
The keyword is "warm up" ... That concern is mainly from cooler climate country..
I'm not saying we don't need warm up to reduce engine wear, but I guess once the temp exceeding 70'c, it should be safe.
Personally I prefer temp gauge varying to indicate the actual temp instead of pointing just one location for safe temp variation. But that's different from individual. Of coz you can ask proton staff on that, but I guess their answer would be no worries, no problem, as the car temp gauge was designed to be like that, nothing an ordinary SC can modify on it.
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Yeah. If the temp gauge varying to indicate the actual temp is great. As least I know it is at designed operating temp. So we need to know 2 bar is indicate how much. 70c I don't think is high enough. As normal operating temp should be 90-100C. 20C is huge I guess. Imagine u drive on highway for few hours non stop and operating at 70C, you sure it won't hurt?
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post Mar 12 2017, 11:04 PM

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How about Conti MC5? Price should be slightly higher den cc6 I guess. P
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post Mar 13 2017, 09:00 AM

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QUOTE(cheeshong @ Mar 12 2017, 11:57 PM)
Just now I use my obd2 to read the data from ecu, I am using torque lite Android app with my Bluetooth obd2. The only thing closest to the engine temperature that I can see from the app is "engine coolant temperature" . Others are not relevant. Maybe if use the paid version can get more info. But anyway, this is what I saw

60c to 74c = our 2 bars
75c onwards is 3 bars.

Driving from usj to puchong, I keep an eye on the app, the whole journey, the temperature is between 75-78c

Not sure this helps
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Thanks for the info man. So which means even the bar drop to 2 during your driving from usj to puchong is around 75-78c reading?
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post Mar 13 2017, 09:02 AM

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By the way, any daiko here get any after market arm rest? Any recommendation?
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post Mar 13 2017, 09:23 AM

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QUOTE(cheeshong @ Mar 13 2017, 09:07 AM)
No.
It's constantly on 3 bars. Not a lot of highways.
If drop to 74c then it will go 2 bars but I don't think it matters.
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Just worry it might hit 70C? With 7 bars indicators, the step ratio should be wide enough, wonder why can't they fit in to the nominal bar.
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post Mar 13 2017, 11:22 AM

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QUOTE(alanyuppie @ Mar 13 2017, 09:22 AM)
I agree, the bar give drivers a wrong impression of huge fluctuation and causes unnecessary anxiety.
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Yeah.. thats worried me alot. I have been read through many temp related post previously due to car overtemp previously for my other car. Thats why I'm quite sensitive with this.

QUOTE(totorohui10 @ Mar 13 2017, 10:41 AM)
Mine was never more than 2 bar. Then I took the car to SC because I thought the thermostat might be broken. The foreman plug the laptop into the car and did something with it. Then I got the 3 bar. 2 weeks later, I went for 1000km service and now it's back to 2 bar.
Lol, same as you but a bit lazy to sent it to SC yet since the sound is still acceptable for me.

One thing is my left back passenger side window got large grinding sound when open and close it. Fortunately hardly use that window and will repair it when going for 10k km service.
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Wow, means they did fine tune something in ECU, but after you service, it reset back to default.
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post Mar 13 2017, 11:37 AM

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QUOTE(cheeshong @ Mar 13 2017, 11:28 AM)
good info. Copy and Paste here for others' easy referencing

AF (alternative frequencies)
This allows a receiver to re-tune to a different frequency providing the same station when the first signal becomes too weak (e.g., when moving out of range). This is often used in car stereo systems.

TA, TP (traffic announcement, traffic programme)
The receiver can often be set to pay special attention to this flag and, for example, stop the tape/pause the CD or retune to receive a traffic bulletin. The TP flag is used to allow the user to find only those stations that regularly broadcast traffic bulletins whereas the TA flag is used to signal an actual traffic bulletin in progress, with radio units perhaps performing other actions such as stopping a cassette tape (so the radio can be heard) or raising the volume during the traffic bulletin.
REG (regional)
This is mainly used in countries where national broadcasters run "region-specific" programming such as regional opt-outs on some of their transmitters. This functionality allows the user to "lock-down" the set to their current region or let the radio tune into other region-specific programming as they move into the other region.
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So only first one is useful?? Anyone try to pair HU with iphone? while using waze, is that possible to listen the radio? I try pair but it didn't speak when I in radio mode. When in phone mode, I can't listen radio >.<
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post Mar 13 2017, 02:30 PM

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QUOTE(skynet2020 @ Mar 13 2017, 12:35 PM)
yuppie..thanks tested and its working  rclxms.gif

can advise which is good off or on  notworthy.gif

if it;s off i can see another symbol on my car meter showed up.
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If you wanna be a drift king then can off it icon_idea.gif tongue.gif else on it to avoid being slipped.
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post Mar 14 2017, 09:41 AM

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QUOTE(zero5177 @ Mar 13 2017, 10:14 PM)
Hill hold assist kick in right after u came to a complete stop on a slope, once comes to a full stop, you release the brake pedal the car will hold to it on its on for a few seconds. until you engage your gear and clutch start biting, the hill hold assist will cancel on its own.
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I encounter once when have 2 adult at the back, when stop at the slope at car park when jam, it fall back. Scare us..

QUOTE(zcutiecutez @ Mar 13 2017, 10:58 PM)
I had this sound too , brought it to SC and ask them to check few weeks ago, the technician said he couldn't hear anything -.-"
So I continue to drive normally , but until few days ago, the sound was miraculously gone.
The thing is I think the sound is not everytime there, i realize the sound is very obvious during hot weather and your car was running non stop for more than 6 hours (was doing grab car few weeks ago).
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My car also having crog crog sound when tekan brake, maybe have since day1, not really pay much attention. cry.gif
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post Mar 14 2017, 10:18 AM

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QUOTE(davidletterboyz @ Mar 14 2017, 09:44 AM)
I guess this is the first time you own a car?  laugh.gif
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I think rev limiter around 3k abit low gua. I thought common car should have rev limiter around 4k RPM during idle?.
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post Mar 14 2017, 10:39 AM

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QUOTE(drsmallkid @ Mar 14 2017, 06:06 AM)
CVT user,
my car got weird behaviour,
1)When at "N", and you try to rev it flatuates at 2700-2900rpm like losing power!! and doesn't go beyond 3000rpm.
2)When AC OFF, you rev lets say 2000rpm, than you turn ON AC, it drops to 500-300rpm!

Anyone else car got this behaviour?
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Will try tonight and let you know.

300rpm is low. engine supposing nearly off during that time. or you means drop 300-500 rpm from 2k? means around 1.5krpm?

btw, what for to test #2?

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post Mar 15 2017, 07:31 AM

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QUOTE(drsmallkid @ Mar 14 2017, 06:06 AM)
CVT user,
my car got weird behaviour,
1)When at "N", and you try to rev it flatuates at 2700-2900rpm like losing power!! and doesn't go beyond 3000rpm.
2)When AC OFF, you rev lets say 2000rpm, than you turn ON AC, it drops to 500-300rpm!

Anyone else car got this behaviour?
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1) I did try out, it will cut out the fuel when reach around 2.8k rpm.

2) same as you. I think you means it drop around 500rpm from 2k rpm.

QUOTE(Maxwell6635 @ Mar 14 2017, 10:02 PM)
1)When at "N", and you try to rev it flatuates at 2700-2900rpm like losing power!! and doesn't go beyond 3000rpm.
This behaviour is correct, this designed to protect your gearbox.

2) When AC OFF, you rev lets say 2000rpm, than you turn ON AC, it drops to 500-300rpm!
This due to when u turn on the aircond, alternator become heavy load so it required engine to perform more to balanced back the load. So when u turn off the aircond, it will drop.  smile.gif
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I did try with other car, rev till 4K without fuel cut off. Or CVT design to be this low? 2.8k rpm. Hmm

I did did exactly same with with other cars, no drops I could see. Our compressor really heavy load. No wonder fc so bad. Need to try off Aircon and test the fc. Lolx

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post Mar 15 2017, 09:56 PM

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QUOTE(drsmallkid @ Mar 15 2017, 05:47 PM)
Persona CVT...why does my car keep jerking back and forth  especially at speeddumps and bumper-to-bumper traffic after release break and during light acceleration @0-20KM/H..... seems like the CVT got lost in changing into which gear? :confused:  doh.gif ...the car is trying to jerk off sperm? whistling.gif

...and the annoying Gas Pedal>RPM Rev>Car Acceleration delay!!....when on roads with 2-4 speedbumps and you see the line of cars behind your tail!! shakehead.gif ...looks like I am driving a snail!... Bezza and Myvi rev passed over and give me a "WTF stare"... my 16 year old Wira can do way better than this! doh.gif
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Not really feel jerking. I guess maybe u quite heavy footer, the throttle respond abit laggy I would say. Try to press harder after awhile will be better I guess. Not green light den full press to the btm. Hehe

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