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post Feb 20 2017, 05:37 PM

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QUOTE(pakku_azrie @ Feb 20 2017, 04:38 PM)
COUNT ME IN!!! zero5177   pakku_azrie  | Black | Manual | Premium Jadian    here   icon_idea.gif
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It won't void the warranty? Modding like that lol. And how did you change the steering wheel without affecting the airbag? sweat.gif
Where did you get the arm rest? tongue.gif

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post Feb 20 2017, 11:14 PM

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QUOTE(T.Alvin @ Feb 20 2017, 08:42 PM)
Fuel consumption report

Highway speed :100-120 kmph
City speed 40-80kmph

Everyday traveling about 40+ km
Roughly rm10-12 per day
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That's very good FC! But we prefer manual calculation bro. The one displayed here is inaccurate. smile.gif
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post Feb 21 2017, 11:35 AM

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QUOTE(zero5177 @ Feb 20 2017, 12:39 AM)
zero5177 | Graphite Grey | MT | Standard
Jack234 | Carnelian Brown | CVT | Premium
Chinifity | Graphite Grey | MT | Standard
Lalusana | Sterling Silver | CVT | Premium
tat3406 | Fire Red | MT | Standard
Fang0603 | Graphite Grey | MT Standard
A2Z2U | Graphite Grey | CVT | Premium
pakku_azrie | Black | Manual | Standard (Premium Jadian)
tenchi0205 | Sterling Silver | CVT Executive
T.Alvin | Graphite Grey | Premium
Wow. Out of 10 cars, 4 are MT! That's more than I thought.
Having said that, I wonder how does the clutch play? Is the clutch pedal heavy?
My bro got a Satria Neo R3 and the clutch is very tight/heavy. I got an injured left knee so I didn't drive it. Having said that I'm interested to replace my Persona Elegance AT with this new Persona. If the clutch is light like Japanese car (e.g. Insipira 1.8MT) then it's not too bad...maybe my knee can handle it. hmm.gif
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post Feb 21 2017, 10:47 PM

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QUOTE(zero5177 @ Feb 21 2017, 07:31 PM)
Cruising at 120-140 will be fuel consuming... and it also depends how frequent u travelled at 140km/h
The last time I'm cruising at 130-140 got me a 12.8km/l
But I wouldn't say this is bad... its quite average.. because at this speed its not meant for fuel economy anymore...

Next time try 90-110km/h, the fuel consumption will improve a lot.
Now is 5 out of 14 is MT... seems like quite a lot MT driver waited for this car for quite some time... I remember Bezza barely see 1 MT driver even after their page reaches 100

The clutch is one of the lightest clutch I've ever encountered compare to other MT I've driven,  the bite point is slightly higher compared to other MT... but can easily get used to it after a few drive.
Never try Inspira before.. you may consult Quazacolt as he tried both Persona 2016 and Inspira 1.8 MT before... not sure if he still remember thou  whistling.gif
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That's good to hear!

QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Feb 21 2017, 08:27 PM)
clutch wise both abg adik.

pedal positioning and gating, mine is modded.
if i may say, stock vs stock, overall persona's getrag > inspira/lancer's aisin.
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QUOTE(zero5177 @ Feb 21 2017, 09:07 PM)
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davidletterboyz Here's your answer for Inspira MT compared with Persona VVT MT
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Thanks thanks. notworthy.gif You guys have been helpful.
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post Feb 22 2017, 10:04 PM

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QUOTE(pakku_azrie @ Feb 22 2017, 10:01 PM)
btw.. i found a lot of sources of dashboard rattle.. maybe ill upload again some tutorial..that is again if i found another car to repeat the process... dont want to kacau mine..it's perfect already after few minor adjustments
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Buy another Persona to try.... hahahaha jk jk
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post Feb 23 2017, 11:53 AM

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QUOTE(hassansafdarali1 @ Feb 22 2017, 10:35 PM)
Glad to see Persona has less issuescompare to new HONDA civic
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Seems to be inline with what I thought. When the Civic was launched I went to check the fit and finish...it's actually quite mediocre; at least compared to Mazda 3.

Having said that, Suprima S and Preve's fit and finish were lousy. Persona seems to be improved.
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post Mar 1 2017, 10:53 PM

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QUOTE(Boss262 @ Mar 1 2017, 05:53 AM)
I don't think so, that's the max the car can go. Wouldn't recommend to test the speed limit in highway but if any of you guys want to do it, do it when people on holiday or pagi2 buta. Not many car on the road plus you need total control, pass 160km/h the car would be total wobbly mainly because of the car's height and also the bawah clearance too big.
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That's not too great to hear. My Persona Elegance doing 190 km/h planted...even on bends. sad.gif

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post Mar 1 2017, 11:15 PM

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QUOTE(alanyuppie @ Mar 1 2017, 01:29 PM)
I personally dont see a point of even testing  that just for the sake of seeing how fast the car can  go.The need requiring such speed (provided conditions are favorable)  is almost nil unless one is evading the law / police car chase  LOL.

Whats next after finding out the conclusion:

good: yeah wow my ride is powerful (ego boosted?)
bad: oh dear the whole thing falling apart  when I go 180kmh. (does it matter at all?  )
ugly: no chance comment (dead liao how to comment?)
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Of course we should not advocate driving over the speed limit. But then, it's an indication of a car's speed headroom. If it's stable at high speed, it's also far more stable at medium speed etc.
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post Mar 2 2017, 01:32 PM

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QUOTE(Boss262 @ Mar 2 2017, 12:54 PM)
We are comparing 2 different segment car right here, old persona more wider, and also the ground clearance is far more less than persona. if you want more stability, need to sacrifice comfort, once you potong spring no more comfort but more stability in high speed.
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Yes old Persona has lower center of gravity. But I compare them because they are the same price bracket. Just wondering if it's worth to replace it with new Persona.

Not necessarily so. Some cars do have better comfort (ride) and also stability (handling). But at this price point, there's no option left lol.


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post Mar 2 2017, 02:57 PM

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QUOTE(cheeshong @ Mar 2 2017, 02:35 PM)
Actually happen to my car too. I tried to calculate the price per km and compare to the dashboard liter per km , I found out they don't match. So I thought my car fc is bad. Then I went to sg besi 3s Centre and ask them to check. The foreman there also notice something wrong after checking. He told me seems like the sensor not very accurate. They added a bottle of fuel treatment for me and ask me to try again for a week then see if this has improved. If not, then go back and they need to open the dashboard or the fuel sensor.

So I think it's the sensor not giving right reading.
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Bro. Almost all cars FC calculation is not accurate as it takes an average of multiple readings for an unknown time. All I can say is the accuracy will improve over time as more data is collected and your usage pattern will average the reading out.

Here we recommend manual calculation.
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post Mar 2 2017, 08:29 PM

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QUOTE(drsmallkid @ Mar 2 2017, 03:03 PM)
Current odometer is around 450km.... and already refuelled and used up RM97.50 or 42.39Liter @RM2.3/Liter... on CVT
....thats 10.61km/Liter  doh.gif  rclxub.gif
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Cannot be la bro. Your car tank is only 40L. How to consume 42.39?
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post Mar 5 2017, 05:34 PM

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QUOTE(Boss262 @ Mar 4 2017, 08:47 PM)
Fill in 26.8l Ron95 today,
Rawang ~ Batu Gajah Perak Highway
Batu Gajah ~ Rawang Old Road

Travelled 380KM, 2 bar left. Fuel estimation when filled in is around 34.28l, fuel left after travel 11.428l (2bar). 34.28l-11.428l = 22.852 fuel used.

380KM/22.852= 16.6KM/l

Can get a better figure when next service is perform. Currently clocked at 9.1K KM and I feel like the engine sound is harsh, maybe the oil changes is due.
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Don't understand how you calculate it. How did you get the 34.28L? And how do you know 2 bars represent 11.428L? From my experience with a few cars, the fuel sensor and gauge are not linear actually. The first few bars will last longer than the last few.

Anyway to get an accurate calculation, why don't you just fill up full tank again? That would be your fuel consumed for 380KM.
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post Mar 6 2017, 03:51 PM

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QUOTE(cheeshong @ Mar 6 2017, 03:11 PM)
Because you opted for a semi synthetic engine oil.
Semi Synthetic engine oil has shorter working lifespan.
If you use fully synthetic, then it's 10,000km
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That's what we used to think. But if you look at the 2 or 3 years free service promo by Proton, it's not like that. The free service provides semi syn engine oil but service interval is 10k km. So how come that semi syn oil suddenly can last so long? wink.gif The reality is it does not need 5K interval service. The SC just silently wants to earn more money.
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QUOTE(Boss262 @ Mar 6 2017, 06:17 PM)
Still the same as ever but I actually grow accustomed to it and learn how to drive to prevent power lost smile.gif
It's just the same basic concept like fill in and drive till your tank is empty but mine I don't have the strength to continue driving.
For the calculation 2 bar = 11.428l, for general assumption 40l/7bar (fuel bar), I know sometimes the bar represent aren't not consistent and accurate
but hey we won't know the correct accuracy unless we zeroed the tank and fill in from the start and then zeroed it back, I'm pretty sure proton has done this thing for us.
We can actually assume 95% of the correct estimation. There are some correction, corrected on the previous calculation.
Fuel Estimation when fill in,

Before Travel
26.8l fuel refill
5.714 fuel left before refill (1 bar left)
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32.514l total fuel

After Travel
32.514l total fuel
11.428l left after travel
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21.086l Used
Distance Travel 380KM/21.086l fuel used.
18.024 KM/l

It's seems good to be true though, I'll tested it again this week, going back to perak again this week will record everything on paper.
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Too good to be true like I said the meter is not linear haha. But then I could be wrong because I don't own a Persona VVT yet. tongue.gif

Actually you don't need to empty the fuel tank to know how much you had used. Just fill up full tank and reset your trip mileage. On the next refill, fill up full tank again. The second refill volume is how much fuel you had used up in that trip. Divide your trip mileage with that volume = KM/L.

If you want even more accurate, make the fuel guns jump three times in each refill. tongue.gif at the same pump. tongue.gif
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post Mar 7 2017, 09:28 AM

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QUOTE(zero5177 @ Mar 7 2017, 12:21 AM)


» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

There were twice where the fuel overflow at just 1st click even I fixed the nozzle gauge at lowest pressure... that's why I never use the 3 clicks method before on this car  sweat.gif
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In that case you just pump for 1 click in each refueling. tongue.gif The idea is just to get apple to apple comparison. Best is same station same pump. hahaha
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post Mar 8 2017, 02:49 PM

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QUOTE(oldgoat @ Mar 7 2017, 09:04 PM)
Good car! I've no regret getting it.

Actually, I wanted to buy Bezza for the advertised FC but wife hated it because it backside tonggek (jutting up)!

So, tested the Premium and fall in love with it but found out that it weighted more than 280kg compared with Bezza. For an extra 300cc, Premium needs to carry one quarter of a tonne more!

Lagi teruk, in the same B segment Vios and City are lighter by 100kg but their prices are much heavier. If other companies can make their cars light, Proton can only produce baby elephant???

If I am not mistaken, the Power to Weight Ratio has a bearing on the FC.
That is, it needs more fuel to move all those extra weigh around.

Persona MT is lighter by 55kg compared with Premium! To put it into perspective, against MT, Premium needs to carry 5.5 bags of 10kg rice everyday in the car boot!

I think FC wise, among the Persona variants, MT would be a better option. As for me, I bought the Std (lighter by 35kg) because after driving manual for so long, it would be nice to have a change.

Power to Weight Ratio wise (please let me know if I'm wrong), Persona FC won't be as good as others. So, keep an eye on the Eco Light to get better FC.
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Yes it's true Proton cars tend to be heavier. Yes of course it affects the FC.

But why you bother about the weight due to FC? I don't think choosing an import brand car just due to FC alone is a better deal. The car price different is really too much and easily offset the FC. E.g. Persona Premium is 60k. City V spec 92k. With RM32k...it can supply you 13.9k Litres of fuel.... that's 195k km of distance if I assume Persona can run 14km/L. sweat.gif Assuming you travel 2k km per mth, that's around 97.5 months worth of fuel.

QUOTE(tokdukun @ Mar 8 2017, 02:37 PM)
Even so, persona comparable to Vios and City, yet still 100kg heavier.

Bezza's crash test showed it scores better than Persona/iriz. Some may say it's a bit of a cheat as lightweight = less momentum, therefore better score performance, but I dunno lar, the data is there.
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Well, that's true because the car was crashing into the designated wall. What if another car crashed into Bezza? I'm sure the result will be different.
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post Mar 12 2017, 01:57 PM

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QUOTE(alanyuppie @ Mar 12 2017, 11:22 AM)
My fuel indicator showed massive discrepancies again..

Yesterday I Felt excited when 3 bars dropped to 2 bars after 85km distance, 80% highway, no jam in city roads. WOW!!!

.....then  2 bars dropped to 1 bar after the next 30km . ...damn!!

OK. so nothing have changed...thats about 55-58km per bar  like my daily drive to and back office with 60% hiway and 40% city roads with the chronic jam.
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Do others suffering from the same issue?
Sounds like instrument measurement issue. Maybe you should get the Bluetooth OBD reader to read the values.

QUOTE(steven789 @ Mar 12 2017, 11:42 AM)
Yesterday went test drive the Persona Premium. The engine definitely has enough power, but the CVT is a bit noisy. However, it responds faster than the CVT in my old City. Interior quality is much better than Bezza.
Overall quite impressed. But my wife keeps complaining about the reverse placement of the signal/wiper control sticks.  sweat.gif
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Wah...I thought the Punch CVT is not responsive especially from stand still. I haven't test drive one. Lol
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post Mar 14 2017, 09:44 AM

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QUOTE(drsmallkid @ Mar 14 2017, 06:06 AM)
CVT user,
my car got weird behaviour,
1)When at "N", and you try to rev it flatuates at 2700-2900rpm like losing power!! and doesn't go beyond 3000rpm.
2)When AC OFF, you rev lets say 2000rpm, than you turn ON AC, it drops to 500-300rpm!

Anyone else car got this behaviour?
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I guess this is the first time you own a car? laugh.gif
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post Mar 14 2017, 10:33 AM

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QUOTE(firegal @ Mar 14 2017, 10:18 AM)
I think rev limiter around 3k abit low gua. I thought common car should have rev limiter around 4k RPM during idle?.
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Oh... I was referring to the point No. 2. "When AC OFF, you rev lets say 2000rpm, than you turn ON AC, it drops to 500-300rpm!" tongue.gif

Regarding the rev limiter during idle, I am not sure. I do not own a Persona VVT lol.

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post Mar 14 2017, 11:07 AM

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QUOTE(firegal @ Mar 14 2017, 10:39 AM)
Will try tonight and let you know.

300rpm is low. engine supposing nearly off during that time. or you means drop 300-500 rpm from 2k? means around 1.5krpm?

btw, what for to test #2?
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I think he means dropped 300-500rpm. It's impossible to idle at 300rpm haha.
When the aircond compressor kicks in it will draw power from the engine and hence the engine RPM will drop a little bit before revving up by itself to prevent ithe engine from dying off due to low RPM.

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