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post May 21 2018, 03:06 AM

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QUOTE(voncrane @ May 20 2018, 03:47 AM)
I doubt cheaper box manufacturers are concerned about such. Cuz most buyers just want cheaper and better performance or simply for ehem iptv purposes and not Netflix 4K. Besides, more and more dirt cheap branded TVs are being produced over the years... They typically support Netflix at FHD/UHD/HDR and the app is so much easier to use. So I'm not surprised that box manufacturers aren't focused on such. Just not worth the hassle of meeting Netflix's very high certification requirements, which also includes that the box in question most have sold at least a particular number of boxes first.
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I asking this actually because I hope something better than Mi Box is out because I notice Netflix stream better in Mi Box than my Panasonic TV Netflix apps as they is no need wait for few seconds to let it clear. Panasonic Netflix apps always run from 480p or even below before it push up to 1080p or 4k.

This is not the case on Mi Box because it straight clear (not sure the resolution as can't check but it looks very sharp and clear instance) and no waiting time. But Mi Box HDR still broken in Netflix and YouTube and I doubt Xiaomi care of it. So long already still no Android TV 7.1 where it is the needs to fix HDR issue. The deep color Also broken. Also 8GB internal storage is way too small.

I know Nvidia is awesome and seems no issue except the price. But I think that the only choice already for now. I probably will get it, so I can watch everything in one box instead of switching box and TV apps.

Apple TV is not the choice because YouTube in Apple TV only 1080p and it
price similar as Nvidia Shield, in this case I rather pick Nvidia Shield.

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post May 23 2018, 01:34 AM

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QUOTE(voncrane @ May 21 2018, 01:52 PM)
Yeah, I understand.. My 2014 series 6 Samsung TV does as you pointed out (starts at 480p and then ramps up to 1080p).. Does this in under 20 seconds.. Which is negligible as the movie/show proper hasn't even started... But it only has to do this from a cold boot up, once I get a series going.. It pre-buffers ahead, during the countdown between episode one ending and episode 2 begins...etc.. I think it's because the TV doesn't have enough storage/RAM to immediately handle Netflix streams at FHD immediately. It has no such problems with YouTube videos.. Also the latest Tizen models work even more superbly. One only needs to launch the Netflix app to login once and afterwards no need cuz there are shortcuts to directly play "continue watching" files from last stopped location(episode/time stamp for movies). Just hit source button and scroll, highlight the series or movie and enter.. Bam, it starts to play..

IMO, the Nvidia Shield's price is still a major factor for me.. Not worth it unless I've got superb AV equipment to pair with it. Else, my current setup works great.. TV apps for YouTube, Netflix, IPTV, etc and Minix Neo U1 for power to handle tougher local files playback and anything else. Plan to maintain until equipment upgraded. If I buy a better box now, by the time I upgrade AV systems, sure have a better faster box released.  smile.gif  I advise you wait and see too, the year is still young.  nod.gif
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Ya I think so but I just don't like it pre-buffer because sometimes the movie start is beautiful especially on documentary but the pre-buffer even 1 to 5 seconds do kill it.

Ya, that the reason until now I still hesitate to buy Nvidia Shield 2017.

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QUOTE(dwRK @ May 21 2018, 04:06 PM)
Mi box should be getting oreo Soon I think...
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post May 27 2018, 05:18 AM

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Finally purchase the Apple TV 4K box and no regret. smile.gif

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Initial firmware is 11.1 which is not good as everything is force view in HDR. This is disgusting actually.

But after upgrade the firmware to 11.3, now it is a nearly perfect TV Box. What is not perfect is the YouTube not support 4K and also HDR.

The rest is perfect for me after some important setup than original setting, mainly fix my TV Netflix Apps always pre-buffer from lower resolution in few second. Now no longer having this issue, also I can playback and buy much cheaper digital copy from iTunes with some titles in awesome 4K HDR.

Beside this, the interface is beautiful and extremely smooth include 3D games and kind of fun play racing games using the remote control that have accelerometer inside.
  • Format set to 4K SDR instead of default HDR, this is very important to prevent everything run in HDR.
  • HDMI Output set to RGB High, this make huge differences if your TV is support it.
  • Match Content of Dynamic Range and Frame Rate both on, this is very important so the box set auto switch from SDR to HDR when the content is HDR, also auto switch the Frame Rate follow the video original frame rate.
  • Video Resolution set to Better instead of Best Available. This is very important also as the default Best Available did not fully use your internet speed and make the video in low resolution from time to time. Once set to Better, everything is instant sharp, no pre-buffer from low resolution to high.

The reason I choose this over Nvidia Shield because of I want iTunes Movies and also I original already got Android TV Box - Mi Box, which no point for me to get another Android TV box.

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QUOTE(voncrane @ May 27 2018, 08:37 AM)
Congrats on your ballsy purchase..  thumbup.gif As nice as it sounds.. I think you made the wrong move on this. The Apple TV Box as you've seen and will continue to see is really limiting as a media powerhouse, cuz you know Apple style. They always go with beautiful versus power and function. For starters, here be my reasons for never getting one.
*Not and Android OS.. Which means I don't get access to the wonderful ehem apps and features that thrive in an Android OS.
*No auto framerate switching or res mode switching. It always forces you to use your TV at a less than optimal performance. Cuz set at HDR, it fools the TV into thinking it's receiving HDR content and then the TV doesn't use its magic to enhance the pictures properly. Which means video processing is only done by the box and as I've seen, it's pretty awful. Set at lower res and one also loses out on HDR10 or Dolby Vision.
*No support for YouTube's VP9 codec, means limited to 1080p and if it's hardware related.. Means, it'll never support YouTube 4K HDR. This is an issue that also affects Safari on the Mac and iOS devices too. So don't get our hopes up. Huge no no given as YouTube is one of, if not the biggest source for free 4K content.
*No support for audio formats like Dolby Atmos and DTS:X yet.
*There's NO USB port.. Which means, can't connect ext hard drives or thumb drives to play content. It doesn't even have a diagnostic port. Which is way worse cuz if it faces a fatal software error, you can't plug it to a PC and force a firmware restore or enter recovery mode.

I guess if one is heavily invested in the iTunes media library and doesn't mind only streaming legit stuffs.. Guess it's okay. IMO, at its RM1K price point.. I would have sold off the MiBox and topped up to get the Nvidia Shield 2 with larger capacity instead. Significantly more powerful and capable as a media or gaming device. My 2 cents to those who'd like to know.  notworthy.gif
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I still got my Mi Box which means Android OS still with me. I connect both and still will using both. Which means I still able access to Astro GO, iFlix, Dimsum and some ahem apps but those never is my priority use. I only check ahem if the content I want not available to purchase or subscribe. smile.gif

Auto framerate switching is there and it is working perfectly. Set at 4K is optimum to me as I also set my Mi Box in 4K. My TV is 4K. They is no need set at lower resolution and what for I need it. The processor itself is over powerful and can handle 1080p content play in 4K resolution and this is a better way handling the content.

HDR and SDR is auto switch already in latest firmware, I already mentioned this. Apple TV 4K give you option now and not force everything in HDR. Also Apple TV 4K Box is the only support Dolby Vision and off course it auto revert to HDR10 if your TV not support Dolby Vision.

Sound not support Dolby Atmos or DTX and I know this is cons for a lot people but this never concern me cause I only use TV speaker. I never care on this because I watch movie at night and don't want annoy neighbour.

No USB port not an issue because I got no content to play from HDD. I not support ehem, that why you see I don't use Kodi much, those ahem apps I install at Mi Box also very very rare open because I buy original Blu-ray, Ultra Blu-ray, Playstore movies, iTunes movies, subscribe to Netflix, Amazon Prime Video, iFlix, Dimsum and VIKI Rakuten. I prefer legit content. smile.gif

I don't consider get Nvidia Shield because I read even under Oreo it still can't auto switch framerate, color space and even in between SDR and HDR in most apps. No issue on Kodi but Kodi is my very least open apps. Only got icrama in my Mi Box Kodi and until now I only watch half episode of one of the tv series and never open anymore.

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QUOTE(lucaswjk @ May 27 2018, 09:09 AM)
apple is known for it pricy product with lack of feature and performance device. only fanboys will sell kidney for it.

anyway for such highend product with lack support for avr, i think it is worth shit. no atmos is still ok, coz market is still lack of this kind of content.
but no passthrough is no no no.
got full library of itunes oso useless...
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QUOTE(Scissorshand @ May 27 2018, 10:55 AM)
$1K for a box without passthrough??? rclxub.gif
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Yup that the only cons and it is big cons to most people but I don't need that. I do have plan to buy sound bar before but then My TV only have 3 HDMI port which already not that enough. Beside this most sound bar sound not impress me except Sonos which cost RM 8k, in this case it is too expensive to me. Also I hardly can use cause I watch at night. I play movie mini sound system before in 15 years ago but I never invest already after that system broken in 5 years usage, which means I already 10 years++ watch movies using TV speaker and I am very ok to it include my family as well which never like loud sounds system.

My main reason buying another tv box is for getting maximum smooth without few seconds pre-buffer issue. (I know Nvidia Shield can, actually Mi Box also can but Mi Box broken in HDR and Deep Color) and also iTunes contents (Nvidia Shield and any Android box cannot).

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QUOTE(lucaswjk @ May 27 2018, 11:59 AM)
u read it, the way the subscribed to those plan
he is jus media consumption user.

any device will do, he dont even need 4k hdr, dolby vison atmos or dts

haiz he is jus wan to waste his extra cash.
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I need 4K HDR and Dolby Vision in future but I no need DTS. I am very important in visual things but not in sound. Sound never is my concern. As long as it is clear especially the dialog and not high pitch with some base from TV speaker is enough to me. TV speaker sound did not very bad actually in TV this days.

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QUOTE(voncrane @ May 27 2018, 11:48 AM)
Summarily.. You are a beginner user and your multiple devices allow you to do what you want done. That's all good.. Your cash, your enjoyment. All I pointed out was that with a little spit n shine. You could have easily gotten just one device and bent it to your will. No worries, just as you found the MiBox lacking and sprung for the Apple TV 4K, you'll come around to see that you require more.. It's only a matter of time  tongue.gif
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They is no perfect box now. Not related to I am beginner user or not because content I play is different than most of people here high demand on ahem content.

Below is content I current play. Netflix is very important for me and only Nvidia Shield, Apple TV 4K and I think also the Amazon box is fully support in 4K and HDR. I got not much choices on this. Then I want iTunes movies because Play Movies content in Malaysia is too little and no 4K HDR content. So I left the only choice is Apple TV 4K.

- Netflix - 70%
- Playstore movies and iTunes movies - 20%
- Blu-ray and Ultra Blu-ray (I seldom buy already) - 7%
- Astro GO, dimsum, iFlix, Terranium & illegal broadcast tv channel - 3%
- Kodi - 0%

Nvidia cannot auto switch a lot related to visual is even cons to me.

Sound support is not that concern to me.

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QUOTE(lucaswjk @ May 27 2018, 12:11 PM)
bro i think i wan to recommend 100" laser tv to u 😎
im sure u will like it 👍


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Yup I like it but no money to buy those thing.

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QUOTE(jdgobio @ May 27 2018, 01:10 PM)
I don't know what kind of sound system you had before but once you have a good sound system, there's no going back to tv speakers. Audio is an important part of immersion, I think you should forget about soundbars and get started with an AVR and 2 bookshelf speakers. A good sound system is not about being loud, its about immersing you in the movie. It will also be giving you the sounds that you are not currently hearing right now which is why you're content with tv speakers. I hope I am not poisoning you to spend more but good audio is often misunderstood and overlooked, so it can be an eye-opener to be exposed to it.
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It is just a normal 5.1 all in one blu-ray player system. I go back because my family complain, my neighbor complain, and now I already get use to tv speaker.

I do enjoy better sound but I never plan invest for now and maybe future. When needed I enjoy at cinema. smile.gif

QUOTE(Lego Warfare @ May 27 2018, 01:14 PM)
Seriously soundbar makes a big difference compared to TV speakers. I wouldn’t spend more than 3-4k on a soundbar, I’d get a proper system for that. But for around 1-2K you can get a really decent sounding ones.
And once you dive into proper sound system, audio will be just as important as visual for movies.

But I find it funny that you place high importance in visual when most media streaming even Netflix is compressed. They look decent but still no where close to Blu-ray quality.
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I know sound bar is big improvement but without it I am still ok.

Frank speak it is not that big different those compress digital format by Netflix and Apple vs blu-ray because I re-buy for some where I already have Blu-ray. You can check review also where the differences is very minimum.

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QUOTE(Lego Warfare @ May 27 2018, 01:34 PM)
I watch them back to back with original blu ray and media streaming and I do notice obvious differences. But if you don’t notice any differences then it’s all good then since you get to save a lot.
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For convenient, I choose digital now. I can't really see the different for streaming media from Netflix and iTunes.

For Google Play Movies wise is not that good and got different but still in acceptable level. Those ahem mostly cannot especially from Terranium or Kodi. Except those actual rip without compression.

Anyway I didn't stop purchase blu-ray, I still buy when I want it. smile.gif

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QUOTE(lucaswjk @ May 27 2018, 01:57 PM)
they wont see the different in bitrate
no matter how streaming technology works, it will not able to deliver enuf bandwidth for blueray/ultrabr quality

streaming on tv is jus good enuf, same as mp3 for most of ppl.
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This is TV Box thread, it is all about stream content.

They is a thread about Blu-ray, want talk about blu-ray is there and also Blu-ray is also compression but just lessor but not means stream content is so huge different.

It is very huge on those illegal source but not the legit source.
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QUOTE(lucaswjk @ May 27 2018, 03:39 PM)
nobody talk bout illegal source
and there is nothing wrong with streaming source

jus saying no matter how good ur apple 4k tv,
it unable to STREAM dolby vision or 4k hdr bitrate compared to blueray.

now lets talk bout illegal stuff,
if ur apple tv hv usb port, then u might able to play it...
but too bad, the apple tv is jus a bad apple.

ps: apple tv hv no usb, no wonder u tot this is blueray thread 😎
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Unable to stream Dolby Vision and HDR? Hahaha! Obviously you know nothing on Apple TV 4K box. Apple TV 4K is the only TV Box support Dolby Vision in the market now. HDR10 is fully support as well and if your TV not support Dolby Vision then it will auto revert to HDR10. It is obvious you don't own it, you had no idea how it's output quality.

I no need those you mentioned and I not supporter of illegal content. I never said Apple TV 4K box is perfect, I said nearly perfect only.

Plug-in HDD? I can do at my TV, my Ultra Blu-ray player or my Mi Box. Apple TV 4K not support is not an issue for me because I buy it not for this purpose.

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QUOTE(jdgobio @ May 27 2018, 07:11 PM)
I don't understand why need to bash other people's purchase.
He bought what he believes is best for him after his research.
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It is ok. Thanks. smile.gif I get what I want and enjoy what I purchase. I just sharing only but some seems not happy maybe I didn't get what they always recommended. I dunno. We can't please anyone and also no need to do such.

I know my requirement and everyone needs is different. smile.gif

QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ May 27 2018, 07:19 PM)
this.

btw, thanks Andrewtst for sharing. this is very informative sharing.

unlike other just ask for recommendation and disappear after that never input here again.
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QUOTE(laihuhng @ May 27 2018, 07:46 PM)
Anyone has any idea if Mi TV Box sold by Mi Malaysia able to stream Netflix in HD (1080p)? I can't find any info if this device were Netflix certified device. Thanks.
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Official one is able to play Netflix up to 4K but not HDR due to HDR support is broken in Mi Box.

Official store seems no longer sell, purchase from others site needs to be very careful because a lot is convert from China edition, those convert one will playback up to 480p only.

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QUOTE(voncrane @ May 27 2018, 09:22 PM)
Bruh... I consider it more of a healthy discussion. This is a public forum after-all and there will always be a differing of opinions. We wouldn't want a situation whereby people are scared to air their views and or mislead future readers as to the real world capabilities of any device. I consider this forum a solid source for info and real world usage and that includes the good and the bad.
You mentioned earlier that your needs are unifi tv, Njoi now and Astro Go... And by bold statement .. the Minix is better and I can guarantee that you'll only need that one airmouse.. Typically ships with it as a bundle. Minix Neo U1 is alright for now and simple needs... It's a solid stable powerhouse. However, to better future-proof yourself, get the Minix Neo U9-H with the Minix Neo A3 instead. Difference in price is negligible. Yes, it's more expensive but better to buy one device at its price and get what you want done. Than to cheapskate now and few months down the line, you find out it can't do something that the Minix can.. Then you'd have to cough up more money to buy it.. To me, it's an easy decision. Save up if you have to..
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I already said I need for iTunes movie. Why some still shot for nothing. Can Nvidia Shield playback iTunes movies? Cannot.

Also Nvidia Shield got auto switching issue and that very concern to me. It is issue not solve yet even on latest oreo.

Different people different needs. You always said I am beginner dunno, but did you know what I need? I don't buy thing simply, I check a lot before buy. I know what I want and need.

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QUOTE(voncrane @ May 27 2018, 09:45 PM)
Edit:.. Noticed you amended your previous post. Remember when you first got the MiBox after a "thorough research" and I and a few others called you out on its limitations? What did you say? "I did my research and this works for me"... Well, you were warned then and fast forward a couple months later.. What did you go and do again after another "thorough research"? Gone and bought an Apple TV 4K.. Well, time will tell if indeed this time it's the better purchase and that the "experts" here are the noobs.. biggrin.gif

Dude... Let it go.. I already made my comments.. You made yours and others done theirs.. You bought the bed, made em and love laying on it.. It's all good.. icon_rolleyes.gif
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I check the device got any issue or not, meet my requirement or not. The issue affected me or not.

Take for example, if Apple didn't fixed the always HDR issue then I won't get because this is huge issue for me.

I won't regret getting Apple TV 4K because I need it for iTunes movies and also it solve the Netflix pre-bufffer issue.

The only downside is no 4K YouTube and HDR but that one is ok as my TV is proper support it.

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QUOTE(laihuhng @ May 27 2018, 10:30 PM)
Got it. Thanks. Is there any other device which falls under Netflix certified decive?
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So far I only know 4 TV Box support 4K in Netflix.

- Nvidia Shield 2017 (HDR10)
- Apple TV 4K (HDR10 and Dolby Vision)
- Mi Box (HDR not working)
- Amazon Fire TV 4K (HDR10)

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QUOTE(Lego Warfare @ May 28 2018, 10:49 AM)
Depending on what 4K TV you have, most Sony and LG 4k TVs have built in Netflix app that supports 4k Netflix.
Or UHD Blu Ray players like Sony X700 also supports 4k Netflix.
So not necessary to get a separate TV box just for 4k Netflix.
But for your iTunes then no choice but Apple TV is the only way tongue.gif
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Hi, I believe he is asking for TV box. Not TV that bundle with Netflix apps.

My TV and my Ultra Blu-ray player both also have Netflix apps and can be said all 4K smart TV now have it and all can playback Netflix up to 4K HDR.

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My Apple TV 4K Short Review.

Finally I can view all my iTunes Movies from all my 3 accounts - USA, UK and Malaysia.
This is the main reason why I pick Apple TV 4K beside I want a TV Box that have no pre-buffer issue on Netflix.

Previously I own Mi Box and my reason buying Mi Box is for installing and side loading more apps and also can carry around when go home or long Business Trip/Vacation. Mi Box will still serve me like this because it is very easier to carry around due to it smaller size and light weight.

Pros
  • Interface - Extremely beautiful and easier to use, especially changing the subtitle and also audio of full dynamic range or reduce loud sounds. This reduce loud sounds is very useful especially for watching at night time. Nearly all apps is follow standard design (except Google product - YouTube).
  • Performance - Superb smooth with fancy emboss effect. Also no performance issue playing heavy 3D games with accelorometer support remote control.
  • Contents - A lots of title to purchase or rent from Movies iTunes with some 4K HDR title.
  • Video - The only support Dolby Vision type of HDR, auto switch of HDR & SDR content and also frame rate. Thanks for this device support of SDR in RGB High and HDR in Chroma 4.2.2, the output is absolutely stunning.
  • Accounts - Support multiple accounts and easier to direct switching. Thanks to this I can anytime switch between USA, UK and Malaysia account. Able to purchase contents from USA or UK by purchase iTunes Gifts Cards from 3rd party source.
  • Movies iTunes Quality - HD quality is closed to Blu-ray and 4K HDR quality is closed to 4K Blu-ray. This is proven by some review on internet also. I no need to give evidence. Some mentioned it is huge different, it is if only your internet line is not fast enough with wrong setting (default is Best Available) then you won't see actual suppose quality.
Cons
  • Sound - No Dolby Atmos support. Some user here mentioned cannot pass-through but after I read it is due to legacy AV receiver issue. I don't own any and cannot comment much as I can't test it. Below is some article better explanation on it.
    -- By Dolby Explanation - https://developer.dolby.com/blog/dolby-audi...rt-on-apple-tv/
    -- Forum Link - https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/atv-4k...ttings.2107292/
  • Genuine - Not for user demand on illegal source.
  • Setting - Default setting by Apple is wrong and not output optimal result. For example Apple is set force everything output to HDR, this is wrong and shall change switch to HDR only when required.
  • Siri - Too bad it only work in few country and not yet support Malaysia.
  • Maximum Usage - You need iTunes USA account to enjoy more variety Movies especially some title in USA is 4K HDR but in Malaysia still only HD. Also TV Shows iTunes is not support in Malaysia yet. https://support.apple.com/en-my/HT204411
  • Weight - It is consider very heavy for such small device and not for carry around.
Currently I have 29 + 34 + 2 = 65 Digital Copy of Movies from iTunes, it is a waste if I only able to play at PC.
Now with Apple TV 4K, I had no worried and can continue my digital copy collections. smile.gif

Malaysia iTunes Account
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USA iTunes Account
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UK iTunes Account
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I don't own iPhone, do try once iPhone 7 Plus & also iPad but not my preferable, but this not means I don't like their iTunes.
I love iTunes because it was the easier for me to buy high quality Digital Copy of Movies and Music.

Google Play Store support in Malaysia is still very limited and wonder when it will come for 4K titles and Music.

Apple Movies iTunes vs Google Play Movies interface
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