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NyOx
post Aug 19 2017, 03:03 PM

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QUOTE(Condoliza @ Aug 19 2017, 03:53 PM)
Agreed,32 in kind of tiny!

i am thinking 55 ,but most seem to be 'smart' ,is it worth it now ..or just get a 'dumb' one?
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if you have an android box, you don't need to concern about smart tv.

put budget as a priority and then follow with the spec.

eg

budget max 3.5

list of model
size
type 4k/FHD
HDR/non-HDR
warranty


then filter according to the best.

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post Aug 19 2017, 03:20 PM

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QUOTE(NyOx @ Aug 19 2017, 03:03 PM)
if you have an android box, you don't need to concern about smart tv.

put budget as a priority and then follow with the spec.

eg

budget max 3.5

list of model
size
type 4k/FHD
HDR/non-HDR
warranty
then filter according to the best.
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Thanks, yes i will head over to the TV threads to get some leads on it.Don't want to drift too far into it here.

off the top of my head:

Max 3500 ish
Samsung/LG ?
55
FHD (dont really need 4k right now)
Non HDR should be fine i guess.
Manufacturers warranty.

This post has been edited by Condoliza: Aug 19 2017, 03:21 PM
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QUOTE(Condoliza @ Aug 19 2017, 03:20 PM)
Thanks, yes i will head over to the TV threads to get some leads on it.Don't want to drift too far into it here.

off the top of my head:

Max 3500 ish
Samsung/LG ?
55
FHD (dont really need 4k right now)
Non HDR should be fine i guess.
Manufacturers warranty.
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With 3.5k you might as well go straight to 4k.

4k is the future whether you like it or not.

For that price range it is Samsung KU/MU 6 series or the LG IPS Panel (Super UHD iinm)

55 inch has loads around the 3k range. (entry level TV)
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post Aug 19 2017, 11:17 PM

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QUOTE(Condoliza @ Aug 19 2017, 01:54 PM)
I looked through all these threads and finally just bought a Minix Neo U9-H with A2 lite.After around 1 year deciding...smile.gif

It came with FW002 firmware and i updated one by one via OTG up until the current FW006.This was very staight forward.

It came with Kodi 17.Beta 7, i simply updated to Krypton 17.3 via play Store.

I have never even used an android phone before now ,so you can imagine i was a bit in the dark to start off!

however so far everything is up and running without any problems..

I am also very impressed with the official Minix forum where one can get a ton of information and support from Minix itself.

Not he cheapest box but well worth it imho.

I am only using a basic FHD 32 LG TV,around 6 years old which is working fine...so next up on the list will be a new TV smile.gif

i am thinking no need to get a 'smart' tv?
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Where and how much u bought?

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post Aug 20 2017, 05:32 AM

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QUOTE(Condoliza @ Aug 19 2017, 02:53 PM)
Agreed,32 in kind of tiny!

i am thinking 55 ,but most seem to be 'smart' ,is it worth it now ..or just get a 'dumb' one?
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Yes, it is worth it. You just have to be sure and get a truly smart one. Not one that claims to be smart but is buggy to operate.

QUOTE(NyOx @ Aug 19 2017, 03:03 PM)
if you have an android box, you don't need to concern about smart tv.
I strongly disagree with this statement. In addition to the above, a smart tv is an added asset for media playback. It's easier to operate, faster to launch and if the app's are done right, for most uses, one would not have to always resort to the Android box for everything. I use my smart TV exclusively for certain local media file playback, Netflix (Get full res + DD5.1 all the time), YouTube (casting direct from mobile devices and pc, Mobile screen mirroring and media casting of media content located on mobile devices..viewed easily and wirelessly on the big screen and even the smart iptv for my iptv needs. Plus it's easier for our non-techy friends and family to operate the TV remote and or mobile device for casting, than to switch on the Android box and navigate.

Can one get an external player capable of doing all I've mentioned above and more? Yes, but we'd be talking of Nvidia Shield territory here and that's at significant cost and even then, the experience would not be as seamless. So IMHO, for a truly smart TV, an Android box is there to push further than what TV is already capable of doing. smile.gif
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QUOTE(voncrane @ Aug 20 2017, 06:32 AM)
Yes, it is worth it. You just have to be sure and get a truly smart one. Not one that claims to be smart but is buggy to operate.
I strongly disagree with this statement. In addition to the above, a smart tv is an added asset for media playback. It's easier to operate, faster to launch and if the app's are done right, for most uses, one would not have to always resort to the Android box for everything. I use my smart TV exclusively for certain local media file playback,  Netflix (Get full res + DD5.1 all the time), YouTube (casting direct from mobile devices and pc, Mobile screen mirroring and media casting of media content located on mobile devices..viewed easily and wirelessly on the big screen  and even the smart iptv for my iptv needs. Plus it's easier for our non-techy friends and family to operate the TV remote and or mobile device for casting, than to switch on the Android box and navigate.

Can one get an external player capable of doing all I've mentioned above and more? Yes, but we'd be talking of Nvidia Shield territory here and that's at significant cost and even then, the experience would not be as seamless. So IMHO, for a truly smart TV, an Android box is there to push further than what TV is already capable of doing. smile.gif
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nice to hear you utilizing your smart tv. not everyone use that kind of smart tv. most of them use for youtube. kekekeke.
want to watch netflix need to paid
want to watch iptv need to sub and paid
want to watch kodi also can't if use webos or tizen. andriod os can but limited memory and processor.

at the end continue watch astro and youtube. happily ever after rclxms.gif

hahahaha

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post Aug 20 2017, 04:58 PM

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QUOTE(Condoliza @ Aug 19 2017, 03:20 PM)
Thanks, yes i will head over to the TV threads to get some leads on it.Don't want to drift too far into it here.

off the top of my head:

Max 3500 ish
Samsung/LG ?
55
FHD (dont really need 4k right now)
Non HDR should be fine i guess.
Manufacturers warranty.
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I jumped from 32" LG hd only tv to Hisense 50" full hd (not 4k), rm1.5k last year.. this year iinm dropped to rm1.2k.. it's ok if u have a tight budget n just want an upgrade from non hd to full hd.. can play via usb (but not x265 movies, x264 n others play fine)
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QUOTE(NyOx @ Aug 20 2017, 11:34 AM)
nice to hear you utilizing your smart tv. not everyone use that kind of smart tv. most of them use for youtube. kekekeke.
want to watch netflix need to paid
want to watch iptv need to sub and paid
want to watch kodi also can't if use webos or tizen. andriod os can but limited memory and processor.

at the end continue watch astro and youtube. happily ever after rclxms.gif

hahahaha
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post Aug 21 2017, 02:32 PM

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QUOTE(shahizz @ Aug 19 2017, 11:17 PM)
Where and how much u bought?
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Digital Mall RM 680 +50 A2 lite.

Maybe can get cheaper online seller,but dont know if any after sales help.
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post Aug 21 2017, 02:44 PM

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QUOTE(voncrane @ Aug 20 2017, 05:32 AM)
Yes, it is worth it. You just have to be sure and get a truly smart one. Not one that claims to be smart but is buggy to operate.
I strongly disagree with this statement. In addition to the above, a smart tv is an added asset for media playback. It's easier to operate, faster to launch and if the app's are done right, for most uses, one would not have to always resort to the Android box for everything. I use my smart TV exclusively for certain local media file playback,  Netflix (Get full res + DD5.1 all the time), YouTube (casting direct from mobile devices and pc, Mobile screen mirroring and media casting of media content located on mobile devices..viewed easily and wirelessly on the big screen  and even the smart iptv for my iptv needs. Plus it's easier for our non-techy friends and family to operate the TV remote and or mobile device for casting, than to switch on the Android box and navigate.

Can one get an external player capable of doing all I've mentioned above and more? Yes, but we'd be talking of Nvidia Shield territory here and that's at significant cost and even then, the experience would not be as seamless. So IMHO, for a truly smart TV, an Android box is there to push further than what TV is already capable of doing. smile.gif
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I guess if i owned a smartphone then a smart tv would be useful to connect to of course.However i don't right now so i am thinking along the lines of a 'dumb TV' .

I am finding the Android box quite easy to use just switch it on with the remote which also switches on the TV,i just prefer a bigger screen TV .

i do not want to get any local media chanels at all.

Anyhow thanks for your advice.

This post has been edited by Condoliza: Aug 21 2017, 03:06 PM
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QUOTE(futra @ Aug 20 2017, 04:58 PM)
I jumped from 32" LG hd only tv to Hisense 50" full hd (not 4k), rm1.5k last year.. this year iinm dropped to rm1.2k.. it's ok if u have a tight budget n just want an upgrade from non hd to full hd.. can play via usb (but not x265 movies, x264 n others play fine)
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Thanks .

Will look into Hisense brand.

Dumb TV seem to be dropping like stone,but might be difficult to find high quality one .
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post Aug 21 2017, 03:07 PM

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QUOTE(Condoliza @ Aug 21 2017, 02:44 PM)
I guess if i owned a smartphone then a smart tv would be useful to connect to of course.However i don't right now so i am thinking along the lines  of a 'dumb TV' .

I am finding the Android box quite easy to use just switch it on with the remote which also switches on the TV,i just prefer a bigger screen TV .

i do not want to get any local media chanells at all.

Anyhow thanks for your advice.
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You are welcome.. It's 2017 and for awhile now, TV manufacturers all manufacture Smart TVs .. Question is how smart.. AFAIK, you will not be able to get a decent new "dumb" TV. So no choice. Since you prefer to use an external device, focus more on the TV's PQ instead. Good luck!

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post Aug 21 2017, 03:22 PM

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QUOTE(voncrane @ Aug 21 2017, 03:07 PM)
You are welcome.. It's 2017 and for awhile now, TV manufacturers all manufacture Smart TVs .. Question is how smart.. AFAIK, you will not be able to get a decent new "dumb" TV. So no choice. Since you prefer to use an external device, focus more on the TV's PQ instead. Good luck!
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For info, which brand you recommend for smart TV.i guess you have done a lot of research before buying.

Most of them seem to lag behind what is offered by good android box,then you face the issue of will they update it regularly etcetc

i read that Samsung already not supporting the promise of updating the smart functions on tv bought over the last couple of years?

i really wondering if the 'Smart Tv' will go the same way as the 'Curved' which does not appear to be that popular, also the '3D' which looks to be dead in the water already.

Is it just another marketing gimmick to extract more $$ from the consumer?
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post Aug 21 2017, 03:47 PM

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QUOTE(shahizz @ Aug 19 2017, 11:17 PM)
Where and how much u bought?
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QUOTE(Condoliza @ Aug 21 2017, 02:32 PM)
Digital Mall RM 680 +50 A2 lite.

Maybe can get cheaper online seller,but dont know if any after sales help.
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I got mine from 11street at RM690 - RM25 voucher = RM677 bundled with A3 Air Mouse. Seller is very helpful and prompt (he even whatsapp me after receiving my order to check if I want sealed box or open box so he can preload some apps/kodi stuff for me)

QUOTE(Condoliza @ Aug 21 2017, 03:22 PM)
For info, which brand you recommend for smart TV.i guess you have done a lot of research before buying.

Most of them seem to lag behind what is offered by good android  box,then you face the issue of will they update it regularly etcetc

i read that Samsung already not supporting the promise of updating the smart functions on tv bought over the last couple of years?

i really wondering if the 'Smart Tv' will go the same way as the 'Curved' which does not appear to be that popular, also the '3D' which looks to be dead in the water already.

Is it just another marketing gimmick to extract more $$ from the consumer?
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Smart TV is not a gimmick though, and has already been like a default feature in most TV sets, esp those going beyond 55 inch. It will not be dead, just will be more powerful/more support and etc only. For example my 5year old Smart TV is still working well with DLNA, and still working well with Netflix (on Full HD), but due to the aging processor and RAM, don't expect it be able to open files that are like encoded with supremely high bitrate (those 5gb+ movie file for example)

My new TV is 4k, with a much better processor and more RAM, therefore the same 5gb movie, it can open without lag.

And almost all manufacturer nowadays offer support for like 2-3 years tops, it's just the way the industry roll nowadays. If you're lucky they will support further down the road, but expect most major software support to cease beyond the first 3 years. This does not only apply to TV, but also to a wide parts of the tech world (smart phones, android boxes, blu ray player, etc) Even Apple product is not immune to this (iPhone/iPad), usually by like the 5th year they will declare your device is no longer supported on the latest iOS

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QUOTE(Condoliza @ Aug 21 2017, 03:22 PM)
For info, which brand you recommend for smart TV.i guess you have done a lot of research before buying.

Most of them seem to lag behind what is offered by good android  box,then you face the issue of will they update it regularly etcetc

i read that Samsung already not supporting the promise of updating the smart functions on tv bought over the last couple of years?

i really wondering if the 'Smart Tv' will go the same way as the 'Curved' which does not appear to be that popular, also the '3D' which looks to be dead in the water already.

Is it just another marketing gimmick to extract more $$ from the consumer?
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TLDR, your budget, your requirements, your eyes & ears for PQ & sound respectively.. Spend in a manner of least regret. biggrin.gif

Did my research awhile back and due to love of tech, have kept in touch since then. Don't want to derail this thread any further notworthy.gif notworthy.gif .. So will try to offer a rapid response.. Currently own a 1080p Samsung and based on my previous explanations, its "smarts" are quite capable. Current firmware is quite stable and I may not even upgrade to a future firmware (in the unlikely event that Samsung provides one.. TVs do not get frequent updates like PCs and rightly so) unless I'm 100% sure it'll improve current performance without sacrificing any of its current performance and features. When the time comes to upgrade again, my first choice will be another Samsung, closely followed by LG. Holding out for OLED tech to be better and cheaper. The current rage is HDR (real HDR and not simulated stuff), not super-critical at the moment like 4K. So focus on getting the best 4K TV within your budget.

I also own an Android device that takes care of other needs that the TV can't or I rather it doesn't. Between the 2 of em, it's the best of both worlds. 3D is dead and as for curved screens, that depends on one's personal preference. IMO, for PC monitors where one sits up close and is usually alone, a curved screen is great. For a living room where people are spread out... not so good. Worst is, it looks weird when hung up on the wall compared to a flat screen. Once again, its highly subjective.. some spaces can pull it off, especially if its placed on a stand with an accompanying curved sound bar.

For updates, there are android devices that get a few updates (some updates improve, some break functionality) and there are others that don't even get a single update.. basically, you are stuck with whatever firmware it ships with. I'd avoid those.

This post has been edited by voncrane: Aug 21 2017, 03:50 PM
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QUOTE(voncrane @ Aug 21 2017, 03:49 PM)
I also own an Android device that takes care of other needs that the TV can't or I rather it doesn't. Between the 2 of em, it's the best of both worlds.
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I concur with this statement. Nothing extra is useless and you avoid it just cause you have another alternative to use.

My setup at home is currently

Synology NAS - To Host all pictures, and some very big videos / videos that are not available to stream elsewhere. (well the primary aim for the NAS is for file backups)
MiniX Neo U9-H - Run Kodi, android apps.
Samsung Smart TV - To run Youtube 4k/Netflix 4k.
PS4 Pro - To Game.

MiniX , PS4 and Samsung TV is able to output HDR, but due to HDR tech being new, there is nto much *ahem* source of HDR (if you can actually find any outside those tech videos or short clips)

In fact the best HDR source for now is still Netflix/Amazon Prime, even Kodi dont have HDR video source outside those small clips.

And yeah derailing from the subject in hand of Android Box XD


I'm still sour that U9H has no native support for 4k Youtube/Netflix hahaha, since it is using those open source Android instead of paying royalty for using Android TV (however if android TV that you're stuck with apps only authorized to use for Android TV instead)

So pro and con go, thankfully my TV can fallback to Netflix / Youtube 4k HDR.


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QUOTE(Haruji Sora @ Aug 21 2017, 04:13 PM)
I concur with this statement. Nothing extra is useless and you avoid it just cause you have another alternative to use.

My setup at home is currently

Synology NAS - To Host all pictures, and some very big videos / videos that are not available to stream elsewhere. (well the primary aim for the NAS is for file backups)
MiniX Neo U9-H - Run Kodi, android apps.
Samsung Smart TV - To run Youtube 4k/Netflix 4k.
PS4 Pro - To Game.

MiniX , PS4 and Samsung TV is able to output HDR, but due to HDR tech being new, there is nto much *ahem* source of HDR (if you can actually find any outside those tech videos or short clips)

In fact the best HDR source for now is still Netflix/Amazon Prime, even Kodi dont have HDR video source outside those small clips.

And yeah derailing from the subject in hand of Android Box XD
I'm still sour that U9H has no native support for 4k Youtube/Netflix hahaha, since it is using those open source Android instead of paying royalty for using Android TV (however if android TV that you're stuck with apps only authorized to use for Android TV instead)

So pro and con go, thankfully my TV can fallback to Netflix / Youtube 4k HDR.
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Yup, HDR content being mainstream is some way away.. And I don't see Netflix allowing Minix devices in yet. Especially since there's an official Android TV OS to take care of all that.

I also prefer using the TV app for YouTube and Netflix... As for the Neo U9-H not supporting YouTube 4K... You have to recheck that. Cuz my Neo U1 is able to support 4K YouTube videos, but through the Kodi addon.. I wouldn't have it any other way though. Prefer to use Kodi.. Can't remember how I set mine up to be able to fetch and output 4K videos. It did involve downloading a special version of the YouTube addon, another addon and some settings too.. But yeah, despite Kodi being set to display at 1080p, it fetches 4K YouTube vids as well.. If I am able to remember and retrace my steps, I'll share the tip... Else, go check out the U9-H official thread.. Someone may have posted how to get it working.. Though It's still easier to use the TV's app.
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QUOTE(voncrane @ Aug 21 2017, 09:42 PM)
Yup, HDR content being mainstream is some way away.. And I don't see Netflix allowing Minix devices in yet. Especially since there's an official Android TV OS to take care of all that.

I also prefer using the TV app for YouTube and Netflix... As for the Neo U9-H not supporting YouTube 4K... You have to recheck that. Cuz my Neo U1 is able to support 4K YouTube videos, but through the Kodi addon.. I wouldn't have it any other way though. Prefer to use Kodi.. Can't remember how I set mine up to be able to fetch and output 4K videos. It did involve downloading a special version of the YouTube addon, another addon and some settings too.. But yeah, despite Kodi being set to display at 1080p, it fetches 4K YouTube vids as well.. If I am able to remember and retrace my steps, I'll share the tip... Else, go check out the U9-H official thread.. Someone may have posted how to get it working.. Though It's still easier to use the TV's app.
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Have you tried youtube for android tv? Mine can fetch 4K video from youtube using this app.

http://www.minixforum.com/downloads/downlo....tv_2.00.19.apk
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QUOTE(topeng perak @ Aug 22 2017, 09:45 AM)
Have you tried youtube for android tv? Mine can fetch 4K video from youtube using this app.

http://www.minixforum.com/downloads/downlo....tv_2.00.19.apk
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I'll try it later tonight. Thanks for the heads up.
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After reading all the content (especially page 1), I've decided my requirement is simple and went for the Docooler M9S Pro 3/32G box

Received it and it's working fine so far. Haven't done much. Just streaming and watched some series from thumb drive

Here's where I bought bought it from - https://www.lazada.com.my/docooler-m9s-pro-...ails.0.0.THQ5oJ

Cheers and thanks for all the content sharing

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