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vextor
post May 3 2017, 11:13 AM

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QUOTE(marilyntan @ May 2 2017, 01:49 PM)
Hi,

Yes, your current medical card annual limit is very low, wouldn't be able to cope with the constant rising on medical cost. Advice you to look into some other alternative to complement with you existing.

just for your information, HLA do actually offers medical card with low deductible. With deductible selection, you may also save on the insurance charges. You may refer to the link for more info.
https://www.hla.com.my/CMS/Product-Services...uct=72&Sub=1144

Hope this helps.
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I bought standalone medical card before with AX_ , and offer me deductible option.

My case:
My company provide GHS cover up to RM20k. And I buy another standalone medical card AX_ and accept the deductible option, which is first RM20k will cover by my company and afterward will cover by AX_. The problem is AX_ did't provide me "Insurance Card" I have to pay first if anything happen and exceeded RM20k. My agent didn't tell me in advance. I like... bangwall.gif

Please double check before you commit this so call deductible option, just sharing nod.gif


QUOTE(ckdenion @ May 2 2017, 02:51 PM)
not definitely must buy from top 3 companies. as long as u r comfortable with the insurance company that you wanna buy with and most importantly the agent that you trust the most!
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Haha. I know just kidding tongue.gif
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post May 3 2017, 11:23 AM

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QUOTE(vextor @ May 3 2017, 11:13 AM)
I bought standalone medical card before with AX_ , and offer me deductible option.

My case:
My company provide GHS cover up to RM20k. And I buy another standalone medical card AX_ and accept the deductible option, which is first RM20k will cover by my company and afterward will cover by AX_. The problem is AX_ did't provide me "Insurance Card" I have to pay first if anything happen and exceeded RM20k. My agent didn't tell me in advance. I like... bangwall.gif

Please double check before you commit this so call deductible option, just sharing nod.gif
Haha. I know just kidding  tongue.gif
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It depends on the insurer. You may want to get the one with deductible from the same insurer as some insurer will allow you to claim seamlessly.

But then again, no one can guarantee you will be working for the same company till you retire, nor can the company guarantee that they will be using the same insurer the next year.

When you get a plan with high deductible, it would be better if you can standby the deductible amount (Rm20k) if the amount being claim is much more than the deductible amount.

For example, if the amount being claim is Rm60k, pay the Rm20k deductible in cash and use the medical card GL for the remaining Rm40k. After discharge, claim the Rm20k from your company insurance.

However, if the amount being claim is Rm25k, just pay the Rm5k and then settle the bill with Ax_

HTH
vextor
post May 3 2017, 11:41 AM

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QUOTE(roystevenung @ May 3 2017, 11:23 AM)

But then again, no one can guarantee you will be working for the same company till you retire, nor can the company guarantee that they will be using the same insurer the next year.

HTH
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100% agree on this statement.
I have terminated the AX_ policy after the period expired as it is standalone and renew yearly.
Medical expenses is unpredictable and expensive, RM20k GHS provided by my company actually is nothing. Thus I have opted for proper coverage and High Annual Limit insurance policy.
I'm not saying that AX_ is not good, I just too lazy to read the T&C at that time when I sign the policy, I made a big mistake.

Just sharing. Cheer.

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post May 3 2017, 11:55 AM

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QUOTE(vextor @ May 3 2017, 11:13 AM)
I bought standalone medical card before with AX_ , and offer me deductible option.

My case:
My company provide GHS cover up to RM20k. And I buy another standalone medical card AX_ and accept the deductible option, which is first RM20k will cover by my company and afterward will cover by AX_. The problem is AX_ did't provide me "Insurance Card" I have to pay first if anything happen and exceeded RM20k. My agent didn't tell me in advance. I like... bangwall.gif

Please double check before you commit this so call deductible option, just sharing nod.gif
Haha. I know just kidding  tongue.gif
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QUOTE(vextor @ May 3 2017, 11:41 AM)
100% agree on this statement.
I have terminated the AX_ policy after the period expired as it is standalone and renew yearly.
Medical expenses is unpredictable and expensive, RM20k GHS provided by my company actually is nothing. Thus I have opted for proper coverage and High Annual Limit insurance policy.
I'm not saying that AX_ is not good, I just too lazy to read the T&C at that time when I sign the policy,  I made a big mistake.

Just sharing. Cheer.
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Good sharing

Atleast it's a heads up for anyone who plan to get high deductible plans for themselves
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post May 3 2017, 12:11 PM

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QUOTE(vextor @ May 3 2017, 11:41 AM)
100% agree on this statement.
I have terminated the AX_ policy after the period expired as it is standalone and renew yearly.
Medical expenses is unpredictable and expensive, RM20k GHS provided by my company actually is nothing. Thus I have opted for proper coverage and High Annual Limit insurance policy.
I'm not saying that AX_ is not good, I just too lazy to read the T&C at that time when I sign the policy,  I made a big mistake.

Just sharing. Cheer.
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High deductible plans do have its perks especially at older age and by applying the high deductibles, it helps to keep the insurance charges more affordable.

I hope that you are being made aware that plans with high annual limit will have the insurance charges of more than Rm10k per annum at age 70?

The deductible options are being used even by international insurer to keep the insurance charges lower especially at older age.

In insurance there is no free lunch icon_rolleyes.gif
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post May 3 2017, 01:11 PM

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I have life insurance (ILP) + CI rider under etiqa for over 3 years already and the only annual statement I received was total premium I had paid for the whole year. There is no details on how much premium is for life, how much premium is for CI rider(to claim tax under medical 3k) or dividend(if any).
Is this the normal practice?
I don't even know if it was a good investment.
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post May 3 2017, 01:44 PM

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QUOTE(orenji_neko @ May 3 2017, 01:11 PM)
I have life insurance (ILP) + CI rider under etiqa for over 3 years already and the only annual statement I received was total premium I had paid for the whole year. There is no details on how much premium is for life, how much premium is for CI rider(to claim tax under medical 3k) or dividend(if any).
Is this the normal practice?
I don't even know if it was a good investment.
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Normally you'll receive your yearly statement and it will show clearly how much portion goes to Life and Medical for income tax purposes.

Insurance plan is for protection, if you're looking @ investment, you'll need to make your objective clear as in how much % return are you expecting.

Insurance plan return are usually only about 4 - 5% IRR. You have to factor in your cost of insurance - investment return = account value.
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post May 3 2017, 05:30 PM

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QUOTE(vextor @ May 3 2017, 11:13 AM)
I bought standalone medical card before with AX_ , and offer me deductible option.

My case:
My company provide GHS cover up to RM20k. And I buy another standalone medical card AX_ and accept the deductible option, which is first RM20k will cover by my company and afterward will cover by AX_. The problem is AX_ did't provide me "Insurance Card" I have to pay first if anything happen and exceeded RM20k. My agent didn't tell me in advance. I like... bangwall.gif

Please double check before you commit this so call deductible option, just sharing nod.gif
Haha. I know just kidding  tongue.gif
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Yes, agreed with you that it would be best to read up the terms and conditions when u purchase insurance.

Currently be it standalone or with deductible, i believe most insurers do provide medical card.

QUOTE(roystevenung @ May 3 2017, 11:23 AM)
But then again, no one can guarantee you will be working for the same company till you retire, nor can the company guarantee that they will be using the same insurer the next year.

When you get a plan with high deductible, it would be better if you can standby the deductible amount (Rm20k)  if the amount being claim is much more than the deductible amount.

For example, if the amount being claim is Rm60k, pay the Rm20k deductible in cash and use the medical card GL for the remaining Rm40k. After discharge, claim the Rm20k from your company insurance.

However, if the amount being claim is Rm25k, just pay the Rm5k and then settle the bill with Ax_

HTH
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I do agreed with what Roy have to say. Maybe u can opt for a medical card that provides a deductible during your working period (eg till age 60) and after 60, you will have no RM 0 deductible in order for you to claim full benefits from your medical card when u retire. U can save up hefty of insurance charges from there.


QUOTE(orenji_neko @ May 3 2017, 01:11 PM)
I have life insurance (ILP) + CI rider under etiqa for over 3 years already and the only annual statement I received was total premium I had paid for the whole year. There is no details on how much premium is for life, how much premium is for CI rider(to claim tax under medical 3k) or dividend(if any).
Is this the normal practice?
I don't even know if it was a good investment.
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Normally all the insurance company will show the portion clearly on each policy u bought. Maybe u can check with the respective company or get your agent to check for you.

This post has been edited by marilyntan: May 3 2017, 05:31 PM
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post May 3 2017, 06:37 PM

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What are the plans available for people suffering from rheumatoid arthritis? Basic medication and treatment will be covered? And most importantly, how much is the payment a month?
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post May 3 2017, 06:42 PM

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QUOTE(-kytz- @ May 3 2017, 06:37 PM)
What are the plans available for people suffering from rheumatoid arthritis? Basic medication and treatment will be covered? And most importantly, how much is the payment a month?
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It depends on how severe is the the condition. TPD and anything relates to arthritis might be excluded. Premium is very dependent on the sum covered but can't be ascertain as there might be loading involved in your case.

You will only know once you apply for the insurance policy and after it's underwritten by the underwriter after assessing your health condition.

This post has been edited by lifebalance: May 3 2017, 06:48 PM
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post May 3 2017, 11:11 PM

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Hi, is there any insurance plan that covers the full spectrum of outpatient treatment? I know most covers cancer dengue etc but I'm referring to all outpatient treatment that does not require hospitalisation.
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QUOTE(rachy @ May 3 2017, 11:11 PM)
Hi, is there any insurance plan that covers the full spectrum of outpatient treatment? I know most covers cancer dengue etc but I'm referring to all outpatient treatment that does not require hospitalisation.
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Outpatient treatment can be divided into 3 segment

Accident

Daycare treatment

Kidney dialysis and cancer treatment.

These are covered under the insurance medical plan
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post May 4 2017, 03:15 PM

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QUOTE(arilrifter @ May 3 2017, 12:13 AM)
yup, true, as i said as a muslim the source of the investment is better for takaful as the source is halal..

hmm, true about faraid.. but for my policy I've already stated who will recieve the money.. so i guess faraid would not be a problem? the same process goes to my wife prubsn.. she also named her own choice of nominee..

" I don't see there is any better coverage" ?? umm i meant that from the tons of quotes ive recieved on insurance products offered to me... i see that conventional insurance offers more in terms of annual limit, c.i and death.. the reason i chose prubsn takaful, simply because the agent that met me was more educated and convinced me he knows what he is doing.. dont get me wrong, there's a ton of agents that i met online that were excellent.. however the problem was they were mostly based in KL and im based in penang.. prefer agent easy to reach if anything happens
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For PRU BSN, the nominee is considered as Hibah receiver, that is the money is not part of the faraid disbursements. If you do not nomiate anyone though, the person who claim the payout is considered as 'pemegang amanah' only, and will unlikely to get the whole payout for him/herself.
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post May 4 2017, 10:09 PM

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Evening to all,

How to write a good cancellation letter? Want to cancel one of the life insurance, 2 months only arrive the policy, dissapointed.

Thank You.
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post May 4 2017, 10:14 PM

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QUOTE(5p3ak @ May 4 2017, 10:09 PM)
Evening to all,

How to write a good cancellation letter? Want to cancel one of the life insurance, 2 months only arrive the policy, dissapointed.

Thank You.
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I don't know if that's a good reason to cancel but perhaps you can consult your agent on this matter or walk in to the branch.

For your info, you have 2 weeks to go through the policy and make sure everything is in order. The 2 weeks starts from the day you sign a Policy Acknowledgement Slip.

Best,
Jiansheng
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QUOTE(Holocene @ May 4 2017, 10:14 PM)
I don't know if that's a good reason to cancel but perhaps you can consult your agent on this matter or walk in to the branch.

For your info, you have 2 weeks to go through the policy and make sure everything is in order. The 2 weeks starts from the day you sign a Policy Acknowledgement Slip.

Best,
Jiansheng
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What makes me vmad.gif is that AXA/Affin Insurance have the audacity to charge one of my card for 2 months when I haven't even received the policy. Will call them tomorrow.

Never again will I register via phone, oh well lesson learnt.

Don't get me wrong tho, Affin bank is quite a good bank, have a few FDs there, good rate if you manage to nego.
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QUOTE(5p3ak @ May 4 2017, 10:09 PM)
Evening to all,

How to write a good cancellation letter? Want to cancel one of the life insurance, 2 months only arrive the policy, dissapointed.

Thank You.
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QUOTE(5p3ak @ May 4 2017, 10:37 PM)
What makes me  vmad.gif  is that AXA/Affin Insurance have the audacity to charge one of my card for 2 months when I haven't even received the policy. Will call them tomorrow.

Never again will I register via phone, oh well lesson learnt.

Don't get me wrong tho, Affin bank is quite a good bank, have a few FDs there, good rate if you manage to nego.
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You may request for a free-look policy refund of premium since you only received the policy recently as the free look period will only start upon receiving the physical policy and signing the acknowledgement of the receipt in receiving your policy on hand.

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post May 5 2017, 08:58 AM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ May 4 2017, 10:42 PM)
You may request for a free-look policy refund of premium since you only received the policy recently as the free look period will only start upon receiving the physical policy and signing the acknowledgement of the receipt in receiving your policy on hand.
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QUOTE(5p3ak @ May 5 2017, 08:58 AM)
Something like this?  :confused:
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post May 5 2017, 11:32 AM

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QUOTE(orenji_neko @ May 3 2017, 01:11 PM)
I have life insurance (ILP) + CI rider under etiqa for over 3 years already and the only annual statement I received was total premium I had paid for the whole year. There is no details on how much premium is for life, how much premium is for CI rider(to claim tax under medical 3k) or dividend(if any).
Is this the normal practice?
I don't even know if it was a good investment.
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Hi orenji_neko

You should receive a statement that will state clearly how much goes to Medical, Life, or Medical/Life. If you didn't receive it, you can have your agent send you a copy, or request directly from your insurance company.

QUOTE(5p3ak @ May 4 2017, 10:09 PM)
Evening to all,

How to write a good cancellation letter? Want to cancel one of the life insurance, 2 months only arrive the policy, dissapointed.

Thank You.
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Hi 5p3ak

It really shouldn't take 2 whole months to reach you. Maybe one possibility is that it took a while for the agent to arrange a meeting with you to deliver the policy.

Anyways, as you've mentioned, just write a cancellation letter and you can walk into the insurance to request for a refund if you're still within the timeline of 2 weeks from signing the policy acknowledgement slip.

Cheers,
Matt


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