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post Feb 17 2017, 10:32 AM, updated 9y ago

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im looking for gpu especially for photoshop purpose as i found that standard integrated gpu isnt didnt quite strong to support my photoshop work and some light gaming purpose ,
any suggestion ?


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post Feb 17 2017, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(numlock @ Feb 17 2017, 10:32 AM)
im looking for gpu especially for photoshop purpose as i found that standard integrated gpu isnt didnt quite strong to support my photoshop work and some light gaming purpose  ,
any suggestion ?
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Any budget to work with?
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post Feb 17 2017, 11:31 AM

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maybe u might consider to upgrade CPU also since 4150 only dual core for Photoshop works
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post Feb 17 2017, 11:33 AM

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QUOTE(richard912 @ Feb 17 2017, 11:21 AM)
Any budget to work with?
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does gt 730 can meet this adobe requirement ?
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QUOTE(numlock @ Feb 17 2017, 10:32 AM)
im looking for gpu especially for photoshop purpose as i found that standard integrated gpu isnt didnt quite strong to support my photoshop work and some light gaming purpose  ,
any suggestion ?
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Try to get a Geforce 750 Ti instead.
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post Feb 17 2017, 12:20 PM

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QUOTE(numlock @ Feb 17 2017, 11:33 AM)
does gt 730 can meet this adobe requirement ?
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QUOTE(sniperz @ Feb 17 2017, 11:58 AM)
Try to get a Geforce 750 Ti instead.
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Yup, a 750Ti will be better. Can search around GS for good deals. If want something new, can consider GTX 1050
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post Feb 17 2017, 12:24 PM

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QUOTE(sniperz @ Feb 17 2017, 11:58 AM)
Try to get a Geforce 750 Ti instead.
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730 still not enough ?
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post Feb 17 2017, 12:42 PM

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How many gigs of ram do you have? What are you using Photoshop for? You do not need a fast GPU to run photoshop unless you use those specific features, check here:

https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/kb/photos...u-card-faq.html


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post Feb 17 2017, 01:06 PM

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QUOTE(Kellicros @ Feb 17 2017, 12:42 PM)
How many gigs of ram do you have? What are you using Photoshop for? You do not need a fast GPU to run photoshop unless you use those specific features, check here:

https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/kb/photos...u-card-faq.html
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I have 16gb ram and running current i3 4150
I realise that my photo editing even using simple mode isnt smooth compared to my previous athlon which is lower in spec.
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post Feb 17 2017, 01:17 PM

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QUOTE(numlock @ Feb 17 2017, 01:06 PM)
I have 16gb ram and running current i3 4150
I realise that my photo editing even using simple mode isnt smooth compared to my previous athlon which is lower in spec.
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If you edit high resolution photos your ram will get filled up very quickly, check your task manager and make sure it's not the ram causing the issue.

Check CPU usage as well, if it is always Photoshop's usage is always 99% then it could be the CPU speed.

Also note that the system requirements says they recommend GPU with 2gb vram, so any GPU with that amount of vram will give you a performance gain.

Before buying a new GPU, go to your BIOS setup, and look for settings that would give more vram to your onboard GPU, check and see if that helps.

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post Feb 17 2017, 01:19 PM

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QUOTE(numlock @ Feb 17 2017, 12:24 PM)
730 still not enough ?
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Too low. Get 750 Ti or 1050.
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post Feb 17 2017, 01:20 PM

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i'm pretty sure GPU isn't your problem. it's your CPU that's slowing everything down
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post Feb 17 2017, 02:30 PM

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QUOTE(graphidz @ Feb 17 2017, 01:20 PM)
i'm pretty sure GPU isn't your problem. it's your CPU that's slowing everything down
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Most Photoshop features relies on single thread only, multi-core can help shortening some processing time but that should not affect the overall smoothness of the app.
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post Feb 18 2017, 08:55 AM

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get GTX1050 or Ti version, 750Ti is hard to find now

i3-4150 is enough, it is hyperthreading as 4 core, unless you are doing CaD, then perhaps you should consider i7 core.
photoshop is not so demanding on CPU but with a GPU help, it sure helps the smoothness. I also doing simple photoshopping myself and not having problem

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post Feb 18 2017, 02:58 PM

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QUOTE(mashimarow @ Feb 18 2017, 08:55 AM)
get GTX1050 or Ti version, 750Ti is hard to find now

i3-4150 is enough, it is hyperthreading as 4 core, unless you are doing CaD, then perhaps you should consider i7 core.
photoshop is not so demanding on CPU but with a GPU help, it sure helps the smoothness. I also doing simple photoshopping myself and not having problem
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just bought one ,
does win 7 32 bit will affecting ram performance as im installing 16gb of ram into my system
but seems it was 32 bit only 4gb allocated for the system




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QUOTE(numlock @ Feb 18 2017, 02:58 PM)
just bought one ,
does win 7 32 bit will affecting ram performance as im installing 16gb of ram into my system
but seems it was 32 bit only 4gb allocated for the system
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Go 64bit... 32bit you get to use only maximum 4gb or RAM
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QUOTE(numlock @ Feb 18 2017, 02:58 PM)
but seems it was 32 bit only 4gb allocated for the system
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Anything above 3.5GB of RAMs, you need 64 bit. End of story
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Surely it's RAM, look at that - 4GB RAM mana cukup for Photoshop? biggrin.gif Can use but it's going to be slow.

i3-4150 is OK actually, I'm using i3-6100 with 16GB RAM for Photoshop / Lightroom. No issues, gets work done just fine.
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Feb 18 2017, 04:51 PM)
Surely it's RAM, look at that - 4GB RAM mana cukup for Photoshop? biggrin.gif Can use but it's going to be slow.

i3-4150 is OK actually, I'm using i3-6100 with 16GB RAM for Photoshop / Lightroom. No issues, gets work done just fine.
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G4560 over my i5-3570 good mou? whistling.gif

Or better wait another new G series?
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post Feb 18 2017, 06:15 PM

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QUOTE(Kellicros @ Feb 17 2017, 12:42 PM)
How many gigs of ram do you have? What are you using Photoshop for? You do not need a fast GPU to run photoshop unless you use those specific features, check here:

https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/kb/photos...u-card-faq.html
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I do understand decent GPU might be sufficient for running photoshop..

so RAM and CPU more important than GPU to run photoshop?
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QUOTE(sniperz @ Feb 18 2017, 06:13 PM)
G4560 over my i5-3570 good mou?  whistling.gif

Or better wait another new G series?
Many generations gap, the i5 has 4 dedicated cores while the G4560 has 2 and works like an i3 but it's really.

I don't think you should swap though, that i5 still has quite some processing capability.

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QUOTE(numlock @ Feb 18 2017, 02:58 PM)
just bought one ,
does win 7 32 bit will affecting ram performance as im installing 16gb of ram into my system
but seems it was 32 bit only 4gb allocated for the system
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Like the others said, your ram is clearly the issue here, you need a 64bit windows to use more than 4gb ram.

Also, your CPU has i3-4150 has 3.50ghz base frequency which should be more than enough for Photoshop.


QUOTE(vanpersie91 @ Feb 18 2017, 06:15 PM)
I do understand decent GPU might be sufficient for running photoshop..

so RAM and CPU more important than GPU to run photoshop?
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GPU will help if you need the features that make use of GPU power:

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Artboards
Camera Raw (see note)
3D
Scrubby Zoom
Birds Eye View
Flick Panning
Smooth Brush Resizing
Image Size – Preserve Details
Select Focus
Blur Gallery - Field Blur, Iris Blur, Tilt-Shift, Path Blur, Spin Blur (OpenCL accelerated)
Smart Sharpen (Noise Reduction – OpenCL accelerated)
Oil Paint (OpenCL accelerated)
Render – Flame, Picture Frame, and Tree
Perspective Warp
Select and Mask (OpenCL accelerated)

Source: https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/kb/photos...u-card-faq.html


Any decent GPU will do if you're not using those features, but then again, if you are running on a low-end on-board graphics, even windows ui will not run smoothly, so...

RAM will help with Photoshop's "cache", if your ram is not enough, Photoshop will resort to use "scratchdisk" instead, something like pagefile and relies on Harddisk speed, that will have a huge impact on performance unless your running off ssd, which should help a little bit. Like I said before, editing high resolution photos will fill up the ram pretty quickly, how much ram you need depends on your workloads, it's better to observe yourself.

CPU is also important but as long as you meet its system requirements you will be fine. Again, better CPU will speed up processing time, like when you apply filter/effects/etc, a good CPU will shorten the time it needs to process.

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Feb 18 2017, 09:11 PM)
Many generations gap, the i5 has 4 dedicated cores while the G4560 has 2 and works like an i3 but it's really.

I don't think you should swap though, that i5 still has quite some processing capability.
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Yes. I don't want to swap because it still win by marginal line only. If the future G series, it's a sure plus to change and I believed they can even compare with more than i5 4th gen at least as G4560 have no problem winning i5 2nd gen to i3 7th gen series in a close fight currently.

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post Feb 18 2017, 11:32 PM

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QUOTE(Kellicros @ Feb 18 2017, 09:32 PM)
Like the others said, your ram is clearly the issue here, you need a 64bit windows to use more than 4gb ram.

Also, your CPU has i3-4150 has 3.50ghz base frequency which should be more than enough for Photoshop.
GPU will help if you need the features that make use of GPU power:
Any decent GPU will do if you're not using those features, but then again, if you are running on a low-end on-board graphics, even windows ui will not run smoothly, so...

RAM will help with Photoshop's "cache", if your ram is not enough, Photoshop will resort to use "scratchdisk" instead, something like pagefile and relies on Harddisk speed, that will have a huge impact on performance unless your running off ssd, which should help a little bit. Like I said before, editing high resolution photos will fill up the ram pretty quickly, how much ram you need depends on your workloads, it's better to observe yourself.

CPU is also important but as long as you meet its system requirements you will be fine. Again, better CPU will speed up processing time, like when you apply filter/effects/etc, a good CPU will shorten the time it needs to process.
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its look like i need to clean install new window , am i ?
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QUOTE(numlock @ Feb 18 2017, 11:32 PM)
its look like i need to clean install new window , am i ?
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Yes, you need a clean install, and make sure it is 64 bit windows to make full use of your 16gb ram.
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QUOTE(numlock @ Feb 18 2017, 11:32 PM)
its look like i need to clean install new window , am i ?
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QUOTE(Kellicros @ Feb 18 2017, 09:32 PM)
Like the others said, your ram is clearly the issue here, you need a 64bit windows to use more than 4gb ram.

Also, your CPU has i3-4150 has 3.50ghz base frequency which should be more than enough for Photoshop.
GPU will help if you need the features that make use of GPU power:
Any decent GPU will do if you're not using those features, but then again, if you are running on a low-end on-board graphics, even windows ui will not run smoothly, so...

RAM will help with Photoshop's "cache", if your ram is not enough, Photoshop will resort to use "scratchdisk" instead, something like pagefile and relies on Harddisk speed, that will have a huge impact on performance unless your running off ssd, which should help a little bit. Like I said before, editing high resolution photos will fill up the ram pretty quickly, how much ram you need depends on your workloads, it's better to observe yourself.

CPU is also important but as long as you meet its system requirements you will be fine. Again, better CPU will speed up processing time, like when you apply filter/effects/etc, a good CPU will shorten the time it needs to process.
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I think in my case I'm working with quite loads of layer images - which component shd I focus? RAM or CPU ?

I guess GPU is out of equation already hmm.gif
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QUOTE(vanpersie91 @ Feb 19 2017, 12:28 AM)
I think in my case I'm working with quite loads of layer images - which component shd I focus? RAM or CPU ?
RAM.

Photoshop will only use CPU for stuff like say applying filters and effects, using brushes and so on.

The rest of the time it's RAM and scratch disk.

RAM affects performance the most, not the speed but the size.

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Feb 19 2017, 02:14 AM)
RAM.

Photoshop will only use CPU for stuff like say applying filters and effects, using brushes and so on.

The rest of the time it's RAM and scratch disk.

RAM affects performance the most, not the speed but the size.
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Ah..okay noted. thanks!
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87% and its only 3GB usage ?

Definitely main board RAM..

Aim for everything (RAM, CPU HDD, GPU) below 50% usage and you'll have a reliable pc..
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32 bit!! you are wasted your 12GB or so of RAM not used, no wonder you say your photoshop not smooth
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This will be an interested topic
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which window should go for ?

window 7 or window 10 ?

as far i know , there will be certain edition of window 7 / 10 which work for maximum ram usage ?
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personally I prefer windows 10 pro 64bit, on going free upgrade and full support directx 12


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post Feb 21 2017, 06:01 PM

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QUOTE(mashimarow @ Feb 20 2017, 05:32 PM)
personally I prefer windows 10 pro 64bit, on going free upgrade and full support directx 12
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if im not mistaken that there was version that fully utilized ram installed right ?
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https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/wi...mits_windows_10

https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/wi...imits_windows_7

 

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