Hi guys. I am currently looking for a hatchback around 90k and am stuck between these two options.

Am kinda into 208 but have heard a lot of negative feedbacks from owners of previous generation. As nasim has just recently launched the 208 puretech, so far there is no any review from local owner, thus i'm not sure if it's gonna be as problematic as the previous gen used to be.

Fiesta 1.0 ecoboost seems to have received a lot of positive reviews. The only thing that i don't like about it is the interior. The dial pad in the car + the tiny screen are really a big turn off.

Gimmicks like smart entry and push start don't really matter to me. Reliability is the only issue that matters the most to me.

Thank you in advance for your opinions.

you had already answered your question

peugeot reliability is down the drain

208 got complaints? I know 308T got a lot only. My office got buy one and it's terrible.

my bro just bought a 2008 1.2 puretech.. he loves the car.

Yes Peugeot reliability has been questioned so many times.. 1.6 THP engines are very questionable..

but the new engines , the 1.2 puretech are still new.. but from what info that is available on the web, its an awesome engine with very good fuel efficiency..

I myself have a Peugeot, but its a diesel, very reliable for the past 3 years of ownership

This post has been edited by edthrax: Feb 14 2017, 11:31 PM

Mazda 2?

One of the reviews of the pre-facelifted 208 said that the pedals are off center. That would put me off straight away.

The obvious choice here is the Fiesta.

If you are open to other options, the Mazda 2 has got good reviews. The Jazz is the safest option.

Let me do a quick breakdown of the B segment hatchbacks

Ford Fiesta Ecoboost:
This is a very good driver's car, great handling, good performance and good fuel economy. Yes I agree the interior is ugly, so if you can wait, wait for the next gen Fiesta, should be coming out late this year
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars...ecs-and-gallery
Do note though, Sime Darby motors servicing has quite a bad reputation.

Peugeot 208:
Very good performance on paper, interior is quite ok. BUT Peugeot is known to have serious reliability issues plus Peugeot Malaysia service center is also known to be slow. Personally i'd say stay away from Peugeot cars.

Mazda 2:
I have a M2 sedan, really great handling, performance is above average and the interior is very nice and simple, plus fuel economy is top of its class due to its 14:1 compression ratio, again top of its class. Plus the exterior is sexy. Bad thing about the M2, its one of the more expensive B-segments, suspension and steering is known to have issues though you can warranty and Mazda service center are quite good, I've had mine for 5 months now no issues yet. Its a fun little car but rear seat is the most cramp in its class, more of a driver's car.

Honda Jazz:
Most practical of the B-Segments, magic seats have alot of customizability, boot space is the best in B-segment hatchbacks, rear seat is super spacious, also alot of cubby holes and cup holders. You can fit a washing machine with the seats folded down. Reliability is pretty good and since Honda has many customers, spare parts are easy to source. On the negative side, its the most boring to drive, the CVT is not responsive, suspension is floaty, performance is so-so, the Jazz is the least fun to drive

VW Polo:
Not much experience with the Polo 1.6. On the plus side, its the cheapest to own at 77k before rebates. The 1.6 MPI uses conventional automatic unlike the dreaded unreliable DSG in the previous 1.2 TSI. Also its the cheapest continental car you can get, fit and finish is also good.

This post has been edited by Eilrach: Feb 15 2017, 12:28 AM

If u drive in the city alot with traffic jam: Get the 208

If u drive alot on the highway and likes tackling corners: Get the Fiesta

The 208 seems to be a more well balanced car interms of performance, comfort and features offered, it also claims to get more than 1000km per full tank but I really doubt that la

This post has been edited by Boy96: Feb 15 2017, 01:55 AM

Do you have any relatives/friends driving 208? I would really love to know more about their feedbacks.

Heard that 208 has quite serious problems with its build quality. Am not sure if it's true. Saw brand new 408 turbo @ RM87k but that's probably gonna bring a whole lot of problems.

I came across some reviews from foreign websites claiming that this engine is very good, but I would love to get some feedbacks from local owners. It's been barely 1 month since Nasim introduced this model so... so far i haven't found even 1 lol.

How do you think about the build quality of your peugeots?

It was my first choice until I realized that the monthly installment will start killing me after 2 years. To me, RM95k+ for a B-seg hatchback is not really worth the money. Money matters more lol.

Am going to view 208 in the showroom on tomorrow. Fiesta's center console is really a big problem to me. The only reason why I'm considering the current gen is the promo.

Mazda 2 is way over my budget. Wanted to go for polo but there's already 3 vw at home thus my parents are against polo.

I am planning on getting a new car either by the end of this month or during raya/merdeka. If fiesta is going to be launched before that then it's gonna be good. Am also waiting for kia to introduce new Rio 1.0 t-gdi.

May I know why 208 if I drive in city > on highway?

Yeah I am quite into 208's interior + LED headlamp and DRL.

If it's proven to be reliable then I'll most probably go for it.

The 208 uses a conventional 6 speed torque converter automatic, which u can smoothly creep during traffic jam, unlike the dry dual clutch transmission on the Fiesta which needs to be treated like a manual during traffic jam, else the car will judder and it's really uncomfortable if that happens in the jam. Thats why the upcoming new Fiesta has dropped the DCT in favor of the conventional 6 speed auto as well

The 208 has a higher torque figure at 205nm compared to fiesta 170nm, so zipping around town should be quite good , but only 110ps compared to 125ps on the fiesta, thats why I say for town drive the 208 is better..

And the New Fiesta will probably be launched here somewhere in 2018..

For the Kia Rio, Naza said they wont be bringing in the 1.0T, instead we still get the same current 1.4NA with 4 speed auto.

This post has been edited by Boy96: Feb 15 2017, 04:39 AM

I google a bit about Rio last time. It seem like even in Europe, 1.0TGDI only comes with manual. If you want auto, unfortunately only can choose 1.4/1.6L engine.

one thing bout peugeot cars, the interior are built with lots of soft touch materials, so feels quite premium..

like my car uses nappa leather, has massage seat functions.. really feels comfortable when driving it.. only thing is killing me is the 19 inch rims tyre.. mahal man..

when i test drove my bros 2008 puretech, engine is quite smooth.. acceleration are good , no turbo lag .. moon roof with mood lights looks good.. steering is abit small.. driving was good..

but cant say for new engines reliability since still new. but i heard that the 408 e-thp launched last year, its engine is quite reliable now.. they've solved most of the old 1.6thp prince problems

This post has been edited by edthrax: Feb 15 2017, 07:45 AM

Both are overpriced... You can get a C segment or HRV with that price

Just get jazz

It's around RM20k cheaper after discount

Perhaps TS is not keen on Japanese... yes reliable but boring as hell to drive. Perhaps TS has more taste than thought and he has the financial capability to handle the idiosyncrasies of owning an European brand...

He probably knows how it is to drive a car with 'feel'. Something people who buy cars to use as appliances won't understand.

But since TS mentioned that he wants 'reliability'...

This post has been edited by lowpro: Feb 15 2017, 02:18 PM

Prince engine
http://www.etuners.gr/peugeot-citroen-thp-...-servicing-101/

The new 208 is Puretech new engine , they build ownself ?

Wow, that's a good article you posted! Very helpful to owners of the 308/408.

I'm currently driving 2013 208. My opinion would be : STAY AWAY.

Reason being:
1. SC is not helpful, slow in claiming part
2. Aircond is not cold and break down easily (A big turn off especially the Weather in Malaysia is hot)- Please check 208 facebook group if you do not believe me.
3. servicing price is ridiculous. cheapest from RM700 to RM2k major service.

Lion have to jaga , hope they can become healthy lion for long

I have driven the 208... the ride is reasonably comfortable, but it is also a pure joy to drive. I'd place it above the 1 series, and all the other modern cars I have driven (the first gen Ford Ka might have been even better, but that was a go kart). It feels like a grown up car. Much like the Polo, just that the Polo is incredibly dull to drive. Oh yeah and I like that 1.2, driven it in other PSA cars.

This post has been edited by kadajawi: Feb 15 2017, 04:01 PM

wow..mana hantar service?

my std service is only rm460.. fully synthetic summore... every 10k km...

Fiesta 1.6NA normal EO change service

Castrol Magnatec 5w-30 fully syn
EO filter
drain plug gasket
GST + labour

RM289

Not sure about Ecoboost, might be slightly different as it uses different EO specially made for the ecoboost engine. But For new car, you get 3 years.60k km free service.

This post has been edited by dares: Feb 15 2017, 05:39 PM

Where did you send your car?

I sent mine to KJ SC and Setia ALAM

last time setia alam, now kota damansara since my service SA move from setia alam to KD. that guy no nonsense one, no additional unnecessary items added.

unlike geotauto pj last time, simply add things i didn't ask

You are so damn wrong

Pug is the most boring car to drive

Fiesta is good to drive but still not as fun as jazz or M2. And fiesta back looks horrible although it has an Aston Martin front

TS won't go wrong with either jazz or m2

Jazz still has my vote

You can consider a used Prius c too year 2014-2015

Peugeot 206 GTI > all!

lol, not sure trolling or what...

Fiesta is way better fun car to drive than a jazz...

if reliability and resale value is a major concern, peugeot seems to be the worse choice.

been using 308 turbo and had major breakdown few times in the past. even peugeot's own mechanic cant detect the problem. had to send few other mechanic for repairs.

terrible experience for me

No, he's serious... He just hates Euro cars and Proton. Could even be Sam Loo in disguise, where the argument usually doesn't hold water!

lol, ok bro.. hard to argue with people like that , remember a dude name jayraptor last time, same thing lol

lol i saw a flying ostrich earlier... must still be dreaming, gona try pinch myself........

*ouch*

wait im not dreaming? hmmm ts u jokerlah , very funny.... you made my day, now get serious already...

You are so damn wrong.

Everyone knows the fun-est hothatch to drive is Myvi. the 1.5l is so powerful inside a lightweight body. Driving around corners is very exciting and satisfying.

Don't forget you also get the "toyota-ness" in a Myvi, for the price thats 20k cheaper than a Jazz!!

For realz though, the 508 is a bit dull to drive, yes, but it ought to. It's a large family saloon meant to cruise down the highway at 200 without the passengers noticing, and that it'll do (depending on the engine). The 208 is an entirely different beast, with a steering wheel that seems directly connected to the tyres, unlike many other cars. That the only way to get a smaller steering wheel is to drive a Caterham or something like that helps too. I have driven various Fords, and they don't have a chance against the 208 IMHO (haven't driven the current Fiesta though). Except for the Ka I mentioned before, but I doubt that car even had power steering

The 208 GTi 208hp edition will come in Malaysia ?

Lagi Best.. , still selling like hot cakes .Can get how many Star Ncap ?

Jacobng and his Japanese car fetishness

No idea. I drove a diesel 208 that doesn't have 208 hp... Can't remember if it had a 5 or 6 speed manual box, so no idea if it was 100 or 120 hp.

Took some time to view and test drive both fiesta and 208. Have decided to go for the latter.

Am now wondering if i should wait for a few months to wait for raya/merdeka promo since peugeot had some major discounts previously.

Did you test out the 208 GTi as well?

I can't drive manual hahaha

It's already in showrooms. RM 143,888

learn bro!!

(unless its a kaki sakit thing, then im sorry for your loss )

Its same spec but dont have Peugeot Sport logo only

Puretech is an award winning engine 2 years in a row. As for the after sales, it has improved dramatically.

Certain SC has closed down, and new ones popped up with improved CSR.

But, the best advice if doubt, do test drive all the cars in your list and then make a decision.

bro, where u get 87k for 408? i see in peugeot website it is almost 140k leh

Actually I meant old 408 but brand new car.... Got 208 puretech eventually. Pretty good.

buy a toyota/perodua.
end.

Exactly what I'm looking for.

TS, tumpang thread yea...
I'm also considering to get a hatchback card something within 100k.
Since the new Rio is out, any comments?

peugeot owner here ....advice - stay away

Skip the Rio I would say, we're getting the old engine here, which is low on power and doesnt have good fuel consumption. Unless we suddenly get the 1.0 Kappa turbo like in other markets, I'd write this off the list.

Just recently I tested out the new Peugeot 208, and I must say I'm really impressed by the package you get for a damn low 73k price tag. Engine is nice, and the turbo doesn't have much lag unlike the 1.2 TSI in Volkswagen Vento. Interior is amazing and beautiful, with some very nice fit and finish, soundproofing is really good. Handling is good as well though not as good as the Mazda 2, but engine is very torque y. Now I can't really say much about the reliability, it is a completely new engine though that Peugeot claims to be more reliable than their Prince engines of the past. There is a 5 year warranty on the engine and gearbox. But really for 73k its a damn good price.

But hearing so much negative comments on the after sales service and maintenance for Peugeot....doesn't sound promising...
I'm just a working adult, don't hope that my car will give me problem in the long run....

The 208 Puretech is relatively new so I do not think you would be able to tell about the reliability of the car for now. If this purchase is not urgent I suggest you wait for 6 months and see how things turn up. The reason to wait is also to see how SC resolve issues regarding this car. For an expensive purchase like this it is worth the wait.

Haven't driven the Peugeot before but what I can tell you about fiesta is its a fun car to drive but its pricey on the other hand. Peugeots are also not popular with their reliability compared to ford and so yea

This post has been edited by wowowowow: Sep 3 2017, 05:38 PM

As an ex-Fiesta/Honda Jazz owner let me tell you the experience

Fiesta - a fun car to drive , it's truly a driver's car. You'll enjoy cruising at high speeds and it just feels stable. Cornering and all it's a breeze. Just feels stable . Sime Darby Motor just sucks , i mean in terms of after sales and support.

Basically if you buy it , do not expect good aftercare support. I've had bad experiences , but recently I've heard that they have improved



Jazz - Very roomy for it's class , feels big and I agree that it's very boring to drive. It's just some car to get from point A to point B and it's pretty meh. Spare parts , service centres are ample , so that's the plus point

VW have released the new Polo in other markets. It's bigger than the old (current) model. That might be worth waiting for.

If the TS values reliability, he should buy the Jazz.

Latest Polo under MQB platform is nice but do not know when it will enter into the Malaysia market.

"Stay away from Peugeot"

Mazda 2 is better than Jazz if you do not mind the small interior space and with Naturally aspirated engine. Jazz is just a basic boring mass production car by Honda.

This post has been edited by IiBbMm: Sep 4 2017, 10:37 AM

how do u defined boring mass production car ? I tot only Vios entitle for this title

If that's the case then do consider the Mazda 2, since your budget is 100k. Go test drive it, its really fun to drive and since its an NA engine, you don't have to worry about Turbo maintenance.

What's NA engine eh? sorry ah, noob driver here.
I read a bit about Mazda 2, and comments are mostly about it's a 'driver's card not 'passengers', as the space is pretty limited for rear passengers.. hmm...

NA stands for Naturally Aspirated engine.

It's like normal engine without turbo/hybrid

Fiesta 1.0 ecoboost is not a NA engine but the normal Fiesta 1.5 is and mazda cars use NA engines !

Fiesta/Mazda 2 is basically a driver's car. Forget about rear passenger comfort room and others. If you want a family car look for Jazz (esp if you are into hatchback) but don't expect a fun ride

Btw are you single or a family woman ? That would help to narrow down things easily as well

Here a lot of people give a lot of different view , but my best bet is to test drive em and see which one works out and then do your comparison

This post has been edited by prasys: Sep 4 2017, 01:47 PM

None of the above.


I'll go for the new Jazz Hybrid or Mazda 2.

308T, 3008, 5008 and RCZ plenty of reliability issues.

EP6 also award winning but reliability is zero.

Dunno how much Peugeot paid these people to win the awards. Engine design is flawed.

single woman... not sure how this narrow things down tho..

It does help narrow some things down. If you're always traveling alone and don't really fetch people, then the cramped rear seats of the Mazda 2 and Ford Fiesta won't really matter. I bought the Mazda 2 coz I don't really fetch people and I wanted a driver's focused car.

For people with family, the Jazz would be a more practical hatchback that's comfortable.

Mazda2

Hmm..I do sometimes fetch my parents out la.. Maybe it's best for me to drop a visit to the showroom and do a test drive if I really wanna get a new car.....

What happened to the existing one?

Helo Peugeot Owners !!!

I`ve read negative comments with regards to Peugeot 308 THP`s.
As an "old timer", n hav been using range of conti cars including Ford, Peugeots & Renaults, thus, so far no major turbo related problems.

Turbo cars needs more routine service as compared to "normal aspirated" engine cars, even though in service booklets says either wise. This is because turbo engines genetates more heat than "normal aspirated engines" so much so results in "thinning" of engine oil n engine wear. Thus, the reason of more regular servicing than "normal aspirated engines", no matter what brand the car is.

When this servicing is being neglected or delayed, will result in turbo issues.
Hope this wil quell negative thinking about Peugeot or Renault cars.

Regards,
MFS

Like , some of the folks here mentioned. It does matter , like if you are a family woman , probably you need a comfortable backseats and few others and not to mention 6 airbags and all around safety features !

Final recommendation - go test out the Fiesta or the 208 - see which one you like the most

I let you know one thing . Fiesta 1.0 ecoboost had a recall but SDAC ford malaysia didnt announce it to cause panic since we people are quite sensitive in this kind of media

The powershift transmission is the downfall. If you read the news Australia only just did it last month and a lot big companies SUED them.

If you can confirm that the current selling of 1.0 ecoboost models are equipped with the updated powershift then go for it otherwise puretech 208 is my choice

This post has been edited by Eternalgl0ry: Sep 10 2017, 02:46 AM

Considering other factors like

SC
RV
Reliability
Cost of maintain
Branding
Etc

I think Honda Jazz is a better choice, sorry to say (im a practical person)

nothing happened yet... *touch wood*

Safety is also my concern la..But my current car, a Myvi doesn't give me much power...
On a second thought, why do I need such high power car? maybe just stick with my car until it has major problems...

I prefer cleaner emission or safety. Chances are you don't need power , you need a safer car. Myvi does not even come with Stability Control which is a must-have and some myvi don't even come with ABS as standard.

To me these are very important safety features

Mine comes with ABS...but you're right, Myvi has no stability control. Now I wonder what difference does it make?
I haven't driven much cars, but most higher priced cars that I drove before I felt they were better than Myvi. So I came to believe that any higher priced car ARE better, without knowing exactly what functions they offer.

Alternatively, you can wait for the new Volkswagen Polo with its new engine which is already launched and sold in many countries. The interior looks amazing.

New Fiesta Ecoboost also launched outside. When is it coming to Malaysia?

people ask to stay away from Peugeot 208 but give vague reasons....

i am contemplating a used peugeot 208 (maybe the one that is still under warranty).

i think customer service can be improved over time but design/quality fault will stay with the car forever, if not almost forever.

can an actual owner provide feedback in terms of how reliable is this car? Looking at buying 2015 Peugeot 208 to keep at home..'family car' if family member want to go city grab something, do groceries, go pasar etc.. in style

second hand Peugeot are cheap for a reason

Bored been tailgate by myV, please get this pocket rocket.

You drive saga sure la, go get a 208 Gti , then remove the badge then do a drag again

French are nice to see but pain to maintain . Fullstop ex 1.6 thp owner

Sorry but i drive fiesta 1.0, still have to give way to MyV

1.2 puretech are just enough.

on traffic jem, ferrari also give way to myV

This post has been edited by Tupakamaru: Aug 29 2018, 09:05 PM

Couldn't agree more, but puretech are different story bro.

Have been driving my 208 for 1 year+. So far no issue at all.

Puretech? full tank can go how many km?

Depends. Full city drive in subang and sunwag area maximum 380km. Highway with speed of about 120km/h - 160km/h between 600km-800km

Straight road of course MyV especially with "Perodua Red Type-R Logo" win coz they die die press hard on pedal dun want to loose muka. See cornering fast driving whether they dare to do so, sure they will become another aeroplane-car flying to the sky.
But if u dare to press pedal hard, dun think u will loose MyV. just matter want to get "love Letter saman" or want face.

This post has been edited by IiBbMm: Aug 30 2018, 10:33 AM

Don't understand this "I must get xxx car because I'm tired of being tailgated by Myvi" mentality.
If you are slower, just give way.

Eh, the fiesta has a 197kmh electronic cutoff, even going downhill it wont pass that speed. So definitely myvi will be able to overtake. Had a friend exceed 210kmh on his myvi icon 1.5 on karak downhill stretch before while trying to keep up with an FN2R.. then again the myvi already is on adjustables la

This post has been edited by Boy96: Aug 30 2018, 01:03 PM

point taken sir, regardless what car you are driving please stay on the left lane if you're not overtaking. BTW, I'm talking about single lane trunk road...