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post Mar 21 2017, 09:18 PM

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QUOTE(joylay83 @ Mar 21 2017, 06:31 PM)
From Any institution / fund house to FSM, from my previous experience:

1. print out a statement of your holdings (PM in this case) and email fsm, tell them you want to transfer this to FSM.
2. for funds that FSM have and can transfer directly, FSM will take it from there.
3. for funds that FSM have, but cannot transfer directly, they will ask you to sell from there and buy in FSM. you get RM for RM 0% sales charge.
4. for funds that FSM do not have, you will have to sell your funds and buy any funds in FSM. you get RM for RM 0% sales charge.

note: plz don't sell equity and buy bond in fsm, you rugi big time.

I have transferred Pm and eUT to FSm via (3) and (4). no problems.  smile.gif  smile.gif
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Do you need to show the proof that you have sell the UT in PM? hmm.gif
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post Apr 29 2017, 11:10 PM

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Dear sifus,

I have been keeping both Ponzi 2.0 and Kenanga APTRF since last year. Since they are both investing in the same region, is it worthwhile to diversify to both at the same time?

I noticed that APTRF seems always lag behind Ponzi 2.0 in terms of yield. Maybe I should just give up on it and fully focus on Ponzi 2.0?

I have been struggling to make the decision so hopefully the sifus here can help me biggrin.gif
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post Apr 29 2017, 11:18 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Apr 29 2017, 11:15 PM)
Why did you choose Kenanga APTRF?
Btw, Ponzi 2 is always the superior fund  thumbup.gif
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I guess I'm too greedy last time because I bought it since it was on the FSM recommended fund and had discounted sales charge biggrin.gif
Right now they are about 50:50 so do you think I should just sell it or hold out longer?
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post Apr 29 2017, 11:25 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Apr 29 2017, 11:22 PM)
How long have you been holding?
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Both were bought around the same time Jan last year.
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post Apr 29 2017, 11:40 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Apr 29 2017, 11:31 PM)
Already 1 year. From record 1y -5y, it's a lousy fund. Since the volatility is around 12 reion, you can go for manulife pacific or switch over to ponzi 2.
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Yea maybe I can consider switching then. I haven't look at manulife pacific but the volatility seems high too. I'm thinking to switch to AH Select Asia Opportunity Fund (too bad quantum fund is soft-closed) for the lower volatility and high returns as well. What do you think?
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post Apr 29 2017, 11:48 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Apr 29 2017, 11:46 PM)
DOn't know much about it. SOme people said good.  hmm.gif
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No problem. At least you confirmed that APTRF is a junk fund compare to Ponzi 2.0. Guess I should make the switching sooner rather than later. Thanks for your advice! thumbsup.gif notworthy.gif
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post Apr 30 2017, 12:04 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Apr 29 2017, 11:53 PM)
If you want that opportunities fund, better to select rhb asian income.
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oh lol now you are adding more headache for me to choose biggrin.gif not that it is a bad thing tongue.gif

Looking at rhb asian income seems this is not an aggressive fund. It's 1 year yield lost to APTRF even. I guess I will stick to aggresive fund.
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post Apr 30 2017, 12:25 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Apr 30 2017, 12:11 AM)
1 year too little. Look at 3 years return. 2, 3, 5 years all beat opportunity.
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yea you got a point. Strange though a balance fund can beat so many aggresive fund in terms of yield. Makes me think why should I go for aggresive fund then? biggrin.gif Since I have Ponzi 2.0, may be good to have a balance fund in the sam region for comparison.
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post Apr 30 2017, 07:57 AM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Apr 30 2017, 01:16 AM)
think hard and think again..... devil.gif
you will ponder why you have so little BOND funds... biggrin.gif
after you read post# 4040, page# 202 by T231H
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I think that depends on whether the equity will perform better or worse than bond funds during my investment horizon. However since no one can predict the future, it is better to diversify biggrin.gif
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post Apr 30 2017, 08:37 AM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Apr 30 2017, 08:04 AM)
rclxms.gif  thumbup.gif

may I know your current UT composition?
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Currently I'm fully in equity with ponzi 2, APTRF, Global titan and greater china. They are all amost in equal proportion. Thinking to diversiy into india, indonesia and Reits soon.
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post Apr 30 2017, 11:14 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Apr 30 2017, 08:47 AM)
Indonesia funds are not performing vs malaysian funds vs india.
If reits, I recommend manulife asia pacific reits. Don't go for crowd favourite of amasia. You will regret it. (I am currently regretting it for buying based on crowd recommendation)
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I'm betting more on its future (Indon) since I should be holding it for at least 2-3 years. I thought a lot of speculation that it will be the next powerhouse? As for REITS, I'm currently still undeciding on AM asia or Manulife. Need to do more due diligence on this I suppose.

QUOTE(yklooi @ Apr 30 2017, 12:11 PM)
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Sunday morning...as usual nothing much to do...
done a simple quick snapshot ......

if "me", I would,
1) increase more into M'sia, india and Indonesia
2) reduce your China, hk and Taiwan.... sweat.gif  sweat.gif  >40% of allocation
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wow thanks a lot sifu. You did the spreadsheet manually from their fundsheet? Well the reason I avoid Malaysia is that I already have EPF and ASX funds. I guess once I invest more into India and Indon their allocation will reduce by itself.

QUOTE(yklooi @ Apr 30 2017, 02:26 PM)
at 35% in China/Hk alone?
a hot bed for returns so is the reverse too.
M'sia & Indonesia he has only 3%.

from his previous posting, Ts seemed to look for diversification not so much on betting for higher returns
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Well is it too greedy if I want to look for both? tongue.gif
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post Apr 30 2017, 11:38 PM

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QUOTE(T231H @ Apr 30 2017, 11:22 PM)
hmm.gif for me, I would consider my EPF and ASX as bond funds that gives about 6% p.a.
I would have KGF and some EISC in my portfolio....

well, that is me.... icon_rolleyes.gif

hmm.gif on this -eh... "Well is it too greedy if I want to look for both?"  tongue.gif
only time and circumstances when it happens will tell.....

if I can remember, saw some during Feb till April 15 period, they Gung-ho ed into China.....then cursed like mad when in June 15,
hope you are not them, and I cannot pray and hoped that it won't happen again to anyone...
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Just look into EISC, seems it is quite an aggresive fund but I like the return so far. Just afraid that is it ok to be so heavily invested in Malaysia? Truthfully speaking I don't have much faith in Malaysia market hmm.gif

I invested in Greater China early last year too, I think it was red for quite some time but it is green now so I guess it doesn't matter anymore? I guess if we look at longer horizon we won't be so easily panic tongue.gif
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post May 1 2017, 12:04 AM

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QUOTE(T231H @ Apr 30 2017, 11:42 PM)
you talked about need to diversify in earlier post, then don't have faith in Malaysia, then if we look at longer horizon we won't be so easily panic.......  confused.gif  rclxub.gif  doh.gif

anyway, each to his own preference and likings....Happy investing
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Yea thanks for your advice still! Appreciate them!

QUOTE(aoisky @ Apr 30 2017, 11:48 PM)
EISC already closed.

why no confident in Malaysia, but China ? how about India
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Aww too bad good fund always close early sad.gif well not that Malaysia is bad, just that I think China and India will better spearhead the growth in Asia in the next decade.

QUOTE(Ramjade @ Apr 30 2017, 11:49 PM)
Actually at that time, I didn't know there were other reit fund. sweat.gif

For me I went s-reit for
1) regular SGD income
2) diversify (get reits which generate income from overseas rather than focus on SG)
3) must beat amanah saham
4) able to generate more dividend than m-reit.
Commrade thumbup.gif
Actually the rally in malaysian markets recently are due to
1) depressed state of malaysin market for 3 years
2) election coming

So I believed malaysian markets will frizzle out/drop after election/Dow and S&P500 plunge.
China I am bit cautious. Too much bad news like a time bomb.
i) china growth is fueled by debts and debts need to be repaid
ii) china manipulate financial results
iii) china bad debts is something you need to keep an eye on
iv) capital control in china may hurt investors confidence
v) Relationship with other countries.

India, well it's chugging along. India only need to worry about
1) Kashmir. This have been a thorn in it's side for years
2) Their GST may backfired.

Malaysia no need to say. You and I know la. whistling.gif doh.gif
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haha I do share quite a bit of your concern. Well anything goes up must come down and vice versa. Even if the situation is bad, I'm sure there will be still some gems to be look into. Just we need to know where to find them rclxms.gif
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post May 3 2017, 10:53 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ May 3 2017, 07:37 PM)
In my book, for emerging market exposure, assuming that I want to be exposed to it; my personal choice would be RHB Emerging Market Bond UTF. There are two other UTFs found in the FSM universe that are exposed to EM: ES GEM & AM GEM. These two cannot beat RHB EMB UTF in terms of ROI and Volatility. RHB EMB UTF is the clear winner in this sub-category.

On a separate matter; for the month of April 2017, I have just tallied my port. I tried to post this but yesterday it was impossible to log into LYN forum. The website must be down, or under maintenance perhaps.

My port made a small gain, a low four digit number, and a below one percent gain for the month of Apr 2017. 

AMREITs was the loser in Apr 2017, but both my striker TA GTF and ManuIndia scored for me. My dependable goalie , Esther Bond , also kept my port in the green. That is the beauty of a well diversified   football team  portfolio. When one player is down, the other will compensate.

Hence, although it is fun to say this and that about a single   Player    UTF, nonetheless a team manager must always evaluate the invidual UTF holistically.

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May I know what is AM GEM? Somehow can't find this fund in FSM sweat.gif
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post May 6 2017, 09:34 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ May 3 2017, 07:52 PM)
My 2017 planned portfolio M-O-M rally is starting to lose steams..... sweat.gif
anyway will be waiting to see how this portfolio of mine will fair in any consolidation periods for this year (if any)...
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Just a question on how to effectively compare the performance of our funds using ROI and IRR? If using ROI everytime we add in a new investment will pull down our ROI. IRR will seems to be a better choice but will need longer timeframe to represent our investment correctly.

Do you mind to share how do you calculate your ROI and IRR as you shown earlier with continuing investing?

Thanks!
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post May 9 2017, 12:43 AM

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QUOTE(lpp @ May 8 2017, 10:20 PM)
Hi. Do you all re-invest with the profit made? Saw green at KGH.
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Of course. UT is for long term investment anyway and don't underestimate the power of compound interest. Don't take out profit unless you badly needs the money or for portfolio balancing.
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post May 27 2017, 11:35 AM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ May 27 2017, 10:57 AM)
Algozen™ speaketh; listen well...

I tried putting in various UTF(s) into Algozen™ and letting her run the numbers. Maximum per simulation run is ten UTFs. Anything more, is limited by the correlation coefficient parameters. 

The criteria for selecting UTFs for simulations are:

1) Good risk to reward ratio among peers
2) They must have poor correlation among each other (meaning must be well diversified)
3) Good rating from FSM or other rating agencies such as morning star, lipper etc.

Some of the UTFs I used to run the simulation are:

KGF representing home ground

TA GTF, Manulife US & CIMB Titan representing US

CIMB Greater China &  Eastspring Dinasti representing Greater China

Esther Bond, RHB ATR & RHB EMB representing bonds

Manulife India

TA Europe

If I do not put those into the simulation it means those UTFs do not satisfy the above three criteria.

After running multiple scenarios (I think Dasecret gave it a fanciful name: Monte - Carlo simulation), Algozen™ came out with the best scenario that is:

TA-GTF @ 25%
India @ 10%
AMReits @ 25%
Ester bond @ 40%

This will give a ROI of 12 to 13% with a risk to reward ratio greater than two. This port is moderate with bias towards some aggressiveness. If you want to be more aggressive, reduce Esther Bond by ten percent and increase by proportion into the other. This port is scalable.

Take note that Algozen™ is very focused, she doesn't play Pokémon Go style. The above four are very well diversified and quite optimized in terms of risk to reward.

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aww no love for local funds? KGF?
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post May 31 2017, 10:36 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ May 31 2017, 03:29 PM)
Algozen™ version four speaketh; listen well...(The values are now in MYR correlation).

I tried putting in various UTF(s) into Algozen™ and letting her run the numbers. Maximum per simulation run is ten UTFs. Anything more, is limited by the correlation coefficient parameters. 

The criteria for selecting UTFs for simulations are:

1) Good risk to reward ratio among peers.
2) They must have poor correlation among each other (meaning must be well diversified)

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Next step, after running twelve simulated portfolios, ranging from port that generate 8% to 20% p.a. , out of 12 ports,

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To be continued...

The ports that I have run simulation gave the highest possible return to be 21% (100% TA-GTF) and the lowest possible return is 7% (100% Esther Bond). Hence the whole spectrum of return is from 7 to 21%. As expected the higher the return the higher the risk aka std - deviation. After running 12 times with various composition of portfolios, I find that the most risk optimal point is around the 10, 11, 12 and 13% point.

Let's take 13% as the expected return. In order to get 13% the composition of UTFs are as below.

KGF @ 15%
REITs @ 10%
TA-GTF @ 25%
Esther Bond @ 30%
RHB EMB @ 20%.

Std - deviation of this portfolio is 4.41% and the risk to reward ratio is 13/4.41 = 2.95.

Xuzen
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Wow, you deserve to be paid for this info rclxms.gif Thanks for the hardwork! With Xuzen around, who needs FSM portfolio management tongue.gif
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post Jun 3 2017, 09:24 PM

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I think those aiming for more aggresive style should still keep India. Even FSM still think India is attractive.
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post Jun 19 2017, 11:01 PM

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QUOTE(voyage23 @ Jun 19 2017, 11:49 AM)
Good day. Portfolio allocation is roughly as below:
Ponzi 2: 26.5
Titans : 18.5
EISC : 20
KGF : 20
India: 15

IRR currently at 14.5%. Note that I do not regularly track my IRR though (too noob for that, usually just ask FSM CIS to generate for me tongue.gif).

I have never done any lump sum. Just regular DCA monthly. In a hindsight I wish I had only ONE local fund and Manu Reits instead of Amreits.
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We can do that? I haven't try yet. Is it available even for peanut investor? biggrin.gif

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