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 FundSuperMart v18 (FSM) MY : Online UT Platform, UT DIY : Babystep to Investing :D

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tadashi987
post May 16 2020, 12:07 PM

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QUOTE(RigerZ @ May 16 2020, 11:20 AM)
Hi folks, general question here.

I've read some threads and many comments around this sub forum about how they lost money, got poor returns on their unit trusts, and telling others to completely avoid UTs.

Would it be safe to assume these were people who invested in UTs via agents (who only sold poor funds and/or just follow what their agents say), and not those who carefully studied and DIY their investing like us on FSM?

I would think that having FSM where we can study all the funds + proper self learning would avoid such negative results.
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part of but not all, it might include ones who invest less than 1-2 years but already comparing the return rate with EPF annual dividend.

take a real example, e.g. EASTSPRING INVESTMENTS SMALL-CAP FUND

https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/fsmone/fun...-Small-Cap-Fund

looking at the hyperlink fund info page, if u invested two years ago, your annualized return rate is 0.00% as of now, so you can't avoid ones thinking that if I never withdraw my EPF monies to invest in this funds, I would have earn at least 5% EPF dividend per annum

but if your horizon is long enough, looking at 10 years annualized return rate, it is 12.34% which outperform 5% EPF dividend.

somehow i felt unit trust reputation is bad because:
1) non knowledgeable sales, they dunno, or they don't even care if your monies is invested in the right place
2) investor's vision of horizon is not long enough, it doesn't make sense to compare performance of unit trust fund with EPF dividend in horizon of few months, one or two years.
3) investor themselves dunno what are they investing in, equities? fixed income? mix asset? it involves works of study and research, so the says of "if you dunno what are you investing, might as well just put inside EPF for safe annual 5% isnt it?" it does make sense.

for your last question on intention of study:
1) FSM posts articles from time to time, spend your times read them and understand
2) utilize the tools in FMS e.g. chart centre, portfolio simulator, to expand your knowledge and investing horizon
3) if you are aggressive enough, approach FSM CIS (Client Investment Specialist) and talk to them, psot whatever question you have, I assume they would be happy to help, and i would say they are more unbiased as a fund distributor, comparing to standalone fund house's sale agent, they only want to sell u and earn, that's where their commission comes from
4) follow this tread from times to times, lowyat FBI section is fulled of knowledgeable sifu, much better than those "professional" sales.
5) understand the fundamental of unit trust, geographically (where the unit trust focus in), type of unit trust (Fixed Income, equities etc.) -> play with fund selector of FSM

This post has been edited by tadashi987: May 16 2020, 12:14 PM
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post May 17 2020, 04:16 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ May 17 2020, 08:51 AM)
I am answering a private message but instead of answering it privately, I have decided to answer it for public sharing.

At 70% fixed income in my port, yes it is considered darn conservative but I took this position since Q4Y2019 when I see the parameters ( vol up, sharp down & ROI also down ) of the various UTs in the FSM universe goes south and south and south. After consulting my good friend Algozen™ ver four; she advised me to take this position. I concurred.

Even though with this my position; when Covid19 hit in early 2020 the US and China centric UTFs were almost wipe out. Imagine what will happen if I did not take the 70% FI position. Even with Reits which are theoretically suppose to be safe asset, also got hit hard. This Covid19 is a true Black Swan Event.

Right now, I am slowly increasing my China exposure; there is no hurry as I slowly add into China. As for US, I remain neutral for the time being. As for Reits, I am reducing slowly in favour of Bonds. For those who don't know my play style, I don't move all at once usually, I will move it in tranche.

Happy to share, may all benefit and make money.

Xuzen

p/s legend: China = CIMB Greater China, US = RHB GS US Equity, Reits = Manureits & FI = CIMB Bond Amanahraya Shariah Trust
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just curious, why RHB GS US Equitiy but not Franklin U.S. Opportunities Fund?
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post May 17 2020, 04:26 PM

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QUOTE(GrumpyNooby @ May 17 2020, 04:20 PM)
Franklin U.S. Opportunities Fund is a wholesale fund which requires pre-qualification declaration.
Algozen ™ at current revision excludes wholesales funds.

By the way, your recommended fixed income fund is being shortlisted by Algozen ™: Amanahraya Shariah Trust
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haha good memory you have, yep my own research show that Amanahraya Shariah Trust is performing quite well these two years, YTD beats even nomura and am-series bonds.

Amdynamic YTD performing figure not really that good.

and Amanahraya has good sharpe ratio and lower volatility.

just one draw back: redemption period takes T + 6 business days sweat.gif
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post May 26 2020, 10:26 PM

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QUOTE(thecurious @ May 26 2020, 08:21 PM)
Is there some stats that I'm not looking at? Recently, I've been looking at unit trust funds performance for the past few years and most of them are negative or low returns. Why is it popular?
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Not sure which fund house / fund are you looking at but definitely not all are performing that bad

take example, TA global tech funds
https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/fsmone/fun...Technology-Fund

figures are in green.

also because there is a crash in March and most funds are still in recovering, if you look at cumulative performance/ annualized performance of past two years definitely the figure wont be looking good.

but if you look at calendar year return it is different story
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post May 27 2020, 02:55 PM

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QUOTE(thecurious @ May 27 2020, 12:08 PM)
I can't remember which funds exactly but I think there was kenanga growth fund and some smallcap fund.

I looked at the annualised and cummulative performance for those and it didn't look better than FD even with it's low interest rate now.

So are technology funds are the ones to look at for growth now?

Thanks for replies sifus!
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you cant compare FD directly i guess, it is not apple to apple comparison, they have different investment horizon.

for unit trust you are buying pool of underlying stocks, so it is always best to buy low sell high

if you look at the chart, isnt it the best to buy when it is low (in red) and sell when it back to new high?

tech fund has been performing well but it is now in high price as well.

I think you need to understand what are u investing in and what is your investment horizon instead of merely comparing the return rate.
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post May 27 2020, 03:15 PM

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QUOTE(thecurious @ May 27 2020, 03:07 PM)
Naturally, that is a good point, everyone would want to buy low(red) sell high.  Although the fund may have dropped in 2020 due to the March drop, but if there is consistent history of growth, it is a better indicator right? whats to prevent a fund in the red for the past 5 years to continue being in the red for the next 5 years?

From what I see so far, (which is probably not alot compared to the others here), the returns need to be at least 5% pa right? due to the sales charge, management fee, trustee fees, redemption fees, and etc for whatever that is applicable to that fund. Otherwise, I dont see why go through so much effort when you can just place FD and get similar returns.

Just trying to get more understanding on this vehicle.

Thank you.
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you are correct in a way, but for your information March crash isn't a normal small dip, it is a short but heavy plunge, so it will make some fund's annualized and cumulative return figure distorted to unfavorable figure for sure.

you do have a valid point that the fund should tank well but the crash is somehow sharp, quick and unexpected i would say? almost all investment product affected from it, even bond funds which is rather low risk.

hope these info helps smile.gif

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post Jun 8 2020, 07:07 PM

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QUOTE(abcn1n @ Jun 8 2020, 12:17 AM)
I don't put it into Excel. I just use it to see the figure/chart. If have 10 funds, then will have to google 10 times to see the NAV


Wow, really good returns for the sukuk.
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2019 was a good year for bond/sukuk

bonds fund on FSM, like Amanah Syariah Trust/ Amdynamic Bond/ Nomura I-Income even got 10+% return rate in 2019
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post Jun 8 2020, 11:21 PM

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QUOTE(abcn1n @ Jun 8 2020, 10:44 PM)
Wow. What sukuk do you recommend for 2020?
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latest gem is Amanah Syariah Trust flex.gif

YTD 5.24% (outbeating others higher risk sukuk/bond funds, e.g. Nomura, AmDynamic )

low 3-Yr Annualised Volatility (%)
High Sharpe Ratio
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post Jun 21 2020, 08:04 AM

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QUOTE(abcn1n @ Jun 21 2020, 01:37 AM)
Any charges/fees for switching from TA global tech fund to TA income fund?
Thanks for the article. People seem to think that market will go down soon. Guess I better read through the article.
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can try FSM Switcing Calculator

https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/fsmone/fun...itch-calculator
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post Jul 9 2020, 09:53 PM

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QUOTE(GrumpyCat @ Jul 9 2020, 09:52 PM)
Hello. Since the FD rates are notorious. I'm looking at the next safe/decent investment.

Are bond funds in FSM a good buy now?
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Amanah Syarish Trust thumbup.gif
I recommended it before it is marked recommended fund by FSM icon_idea.gif
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post Jul 9 2020, 11:48 PM

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QUOTE(victorian @ Jul 9 2020, 11:40 PM)
Early this year there was a Managed Portfolio promotion by FSM, if you subscribe to their MP you’ll get lifetime 0% subscription fee.

I just confirmed with FSM that I can change the RSP amount and I can still enjoy the 0% subscription fee.

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This means that the only fee that I have to pay is 0.50% management fee per annum.

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For the MP one of the fund is KGF, if I want to enter KGF normally I’ll have to pay 1.75% sales charge. It also comes with 1.50% annual management fee.

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If I were to invest through MP, I can bypass all that and only pay 0.50% annual management fee. Is there anything I’m missing?
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yes and no

yes because u indeed dont need to pay for subscription fee for ur MP

no because in fact you are still paying the highlighted, but for UT, the highlighted usually doesnt matter because it is absorded and reflected in the NAV, which means the NAV and performance you saw on FSM is already considered and included with the highlighted.


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post Jul 18 2020, 07:57 PM

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FSM mobile app has a revamp now, can go and try it out flex.gif
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post Jul 18 2020, 09:03 PM

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QUOTE(GrumpyNooby @ Jul 18 2020, 08:12 PM)
Any new/special feature?
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hmm no? just maybe overall user interface look more modern haha
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post Jul 18 2020, 11:49 PM

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QUOTE(coolguy99 @ Jul 18 2020, 09:39 PM)
I hope at least they have touch ID for login... bangwall.gif
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funny thing is if u chose to login as SG (I have SG FSM account), then it has touch/face ID hmm.gif
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post Jul 20 2020, 11:26 AM

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QUOTE(majorarmstrong @ Jul 19 2020, 07:36 PM)
terima kasih everyone so finally i know the different with retail bond vs bond fund
so i think i should just focus on bond not retail bond
as i am very old half leg inside the coffin, i just want to preserve my saving
last friday public bank call me say my FD mature ask me want to renew or not and their rate is like super gila till cannot accept. they offer me 2.5% say uncle very good jor, we cannot offer you like last time 4.8% yours already mature we renew can renew only 2.5%, other bank will give you less than 2%.

anyway again another question, you see i try to buy this RM100 Amanah Raya Shariah Fund and it say platform fee is 0.05%.
If  i buy over with ASB i thought no platform fee? I try to understand this FSM as i not sure why ppl use it
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QUOTE(GrumpyNooby @ Jul 19 2020, 07:40 PM)
If you can buy at other channel with no additional, it's better that you do so.
Platform fee is unique to FSM.
They introduced it back in 2013.
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buy through e-unit trust lo, no platform fee, but e-unit trust user interface a bit lousy for me la, I don't mind pay FSM the 0.2% annual platform fee for the effort they made to give us all these fund information, tools and nice user interface la

hope I don't get some netizen which is opposite view to challenge me again sweat.gif
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QUOTE(MNet @ Jul 20 2020, 01:44 PM)
u need to read more book on how small fee 0.2% will affect ur income long term
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by saying that I am implying that i don't really mind how the 0.2% affect my long term
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post Jul 23 2020, 11:46 AM

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lately Fixed income funds performance is so good, not really sure others but my Amanah Syariah Trust is really performing good
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QUOTE(nxtpg @ Jul 23 2020, 12:24 PM)
got some excess cash now

good to to buy this Amanah Syariah Trust now?
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QUOTE(MUM @ Jul 23 2020, 12:32 PM)
hmm.gif will you cabut if it dropped 3.8% in 10 days?
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fixed income fund / bond fund are generally safe (especially long term) unless like March case which global crash happened, causing 4% crash in a half month time

it is investment product anyway
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QUOTE(rocketm @ Jul 24 2020, 01:49 AM)
When open FSM one Singapore brokerage account, will it be the same feature with the account for Malaysia?

I plan to buy Singapore Reits etf, attended a webinar and they are promoting their account opening service. If having this account, does the charges is based on Singapore brokerage rate or Malaysia rate?
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not really same featured, it looks similar but it has differences here and there.

it will follow FSM SG brokerage fee, you can try out the fsm SG fee calculator on the stock counter info page to know the fee you are going to pay
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post Jul 29 2020, 11:12 AM

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QUOTE(doomx @ Jul 29 2020, 09:46 AM)
Just out of curiosity, anybody here open FSM Singapore account and buy US etf? I was wondering if it’s possible
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possible but not the cheapest approach for Malaysian tho

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