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post Dec 21 2021, 09:46 AM

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QUOTE(frankzane @ Dec 21 2021, 09:37 AM)
Hi Sifus,

Is it true that funds derived from 'true' investment company like eg Kenanga, Aberdeen are more profitable compared to funds from banks, eg. Maybank, Public Bank.

Please correct if I'm wrong.
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More profitable mean more ROI for investors?
Where do you get the data/info from?
Or why do you think they are so?
Mind sharing?

This post has been edited by yklooi: Dec 21 2021, 09:58 AM
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post Dec 21 2021, 01:24 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Dec 21 2021, 09:46 AM)
More profitable mean more ROI for investors?
Where do you get the data/info from?
Or why do you think they are so?
Mind sharing?
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Yes, in terms of ROI.

No listed data, just my observation when comparing in general my investment in different fund houses.
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post Dec 21 2021, 01:45 PM

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QUOTE(frankzane @ Dec 21 2021, 01:24 PM)
Yes, in terms of ROI.

No listed data, just my observation when comparing in general my investment in different fund houses.
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thumbsup.gif ok,...noted your responses about "your observation"...
i also assumed that observation is also apple to apple comparison in relation to their mandate...

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QUOTE(frankzane @ Dec 21 2021, 01:24 PM)
Yes, in terms of ROI.

No listed data, just my observation when comparing in general my investment in different fund houses.
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its just yklooi's polite way of saying you talk air without data.
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QUOTE(adele123 @ Dec 21 2021, 12:30 AM)
Not quite correct for the description of ETF.

You forgot that the ppl who managed the ETF can sell new units or buy from existing unit holders, so aside from purely willing buying/selling, there is market maker. At a minimum you can buy/sell from market maker. This is also why it has somewhat hogh liquidity.

Using the ETF listed on our bursa from affin hwang, the trade plus series, all of them will have affin hwang as market maker.
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Don’t forget market maker can do price adjustments to stimulate trading activities rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(xander83 @ Dec 21 2021, 04:15 PM)
Don’t forget market maker can do price adjustments to stimulate trading activities  rclxms.gif
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For those who have stock trading experience would know ETF is traded exactly the same as stock. Note I mention the word trader. Typically they don't hold the stock/ETF long they just want to flip and earn the difference in profits/losses. ask price, bid price, sell down, buy up, contra, shorting etc that are used in stock applies same with ETF too.

But for a investor (instead of a trader), they feel that ETF counter is a basket of stocks represented as a single counter in stock exchange. This is similar to unit trust/mutual fund where it is a basket of stocks in one fund. But the trading mechanism between ETF and mutual fund is quite different. I don't see contra, shorting (long time ago ppl attempted this but failed due to the price lag in mutual fund buy/sell process) in mutual fund.
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QUOTE(sgh @ Dec 21 2021, 05:37 PM)
For those who have stock trading experience would know ETF is traded exactly the same as stock. Note I mention the word trader. Typically they don't hold the stock/ETF long they just want to flip and earn the difference in profits/losses. ask price, bid price, sell down, buy up, contra, shorting etc that are used in stock applies same with ETF too.

But for a investor (instead of a trader), they feel that ETF counter is a basket of stocks represented as a single counter in stock exchange. This is similar to unit trust/mutual fund where it is a basket of stocks in one fund. But the trading mechanism between ETF and mutual fund is quite different. I don't see contra, shorting (long time ago ppl attempted this but failed due to the price lag in mutual fund buy/sell process) in mutual fund.
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Transparency’s in ETF holdings makes it more superior than mutual while mutual you only get disclosures through reporting which make sure it lag slow as most will disclose the holdings by the cut off date


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post Dec 22 2021, 09:38 AM

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Do You Have SGD Ready for Trading?

looking at the banner of FSM seems like SGX stock trading is available on FSM MY soon, hopefully the trans fee is competitive
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QUOTE(tadashi987 @ Dec 22 2021, 09:38 AM)
Do You Have SGD Ready for Trading?

looking at the banner of FSM seems like SGX stock trading is available on FSM MY soon, hopefully the trans fee is competitive
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unlikely seeing how they still insist to have min charge on other markets as well.
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QUOTE(WhitE LighteR @ Dec 22 2021, 10:28 AM)
unlikely seeing how they still insist to have min charge on other markets as well.
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really hope tiger/moomoo/syfe trade or so come to MY soon to drive up the competition for consumer's good yawn.gif
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QUOTE(tadashi987 @ Dec 22 2021, 10:30 AM)
really hope tiger/moomoo/syfe trade or so come to MY soon to drive up the competition for consumer's good  yawn.gif
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i think moomoo and webull aldy allow malaysian open acc with them right? Even IBKR and TD sg are allow malaysian
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QUOTE(GamaX320 @ Dec 22 2021, 11:38 AM)
i think moomoo and webull aldy allow malaysian open acc with them right? Even IBKR and TD sg are allow malaysian
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those mentioned,...they allowed for investors with Malaysia's bank account also or they need to have SG bank's a/c only?
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QUOTE(GamaX320 @ Dec 22 2021, 11:38 AM)
i think moomoo and webull aldy allow malaysian open acc with them right? Even IBKR and TD sg are allow malaysian
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QUOTE(MUM @ Dec 22 2021, 11:40 AM)
those mentioned,...they allowed for investors with Malaysia's bank account also or they need to have SG bank's a/c only?
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yep they do allow but the hassle depositing SGD only (or others) since they don't accept MYR.
were talking about they set their ground in Malaysia with the 'regulation' head nod, but yeah, u know our 'rule' here whistling.gif


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QUOTE(tadashi987 @ Dec 22 2021, 11:43 AM)
yep they do allow but the hassle depositing SGD only (or others) since they don't accept MYR.
were talking about they set their ground in Malaysia with the 'regulation' head nod, but yeah, u know our 'rule' here whistling.gif
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so there are limitations, cost factors, ease and convenient factors to consider too
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QUOTE(WhitE LighteR @ Dec 22 2021, 10:28 AM)
unlikely seeing how they still insist to have min charge on other markets as well.
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Confirm follow back SG charge so of min $8.80 per trade or 0.8% whichever is higher
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QUOTE(xander83 @ Dec 22 2021, 06:15 PM)
Confirm follow back SG charge so of min $8.80 per trade or 0.8% whichever is higher
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Expected. Meh..
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Here are 3 SGD ETFs which you will find useful soon
In this article, FSM will introduce some unique and interesting ETFs that can be found in SGX to our Malaysian investors

iFAST Research Team
22 Dec 2021

CSOP iEdge S-REIT Leaders Index ETF
Lion-OCBC Securities China Leaders ETF
UOB APAC Green REIT ETF

CSOP iEdge S-REIT Leaders Index ETF
The ETF aims to replicate the performance of the SGX iEdge S-REIT Leaders Index, a liquidity-adjusted free-float market capitalisation-weighted index that measures the performance of the most liquid large and mid-cap S-REITs, enabling investors to gain exposure to the sector via a diversified and cost-efficient approach.

Lion-OCBC Securities China Leaders ETF, which replicates the performance of Hang Seng Stock Connect China 80 Index. The ETF aims to providing investors with easy access via the local exchange to gain exposure to 80 largest Chinese companies from 12 different sectors, and many of these companies are also among global leaders in their respective industries.

The UOB APAC Green REIT ETF aims to replicate the performance of iEdge-UOB APAC Yield Focus Green REIT Index, which covers 50 higher-yielding REITs listed across the region that display relatively better environmental performance, bringing unique opportunities in environmentally-sound real estate assets with growth potential to investors.

more ,....
https://www.fsmone.com.my/funds/research/ar...-soon?src=funds
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QUOTE(xander83 @ Dec 22 2021, 06:15 PM)
Confirm follow back SG charge so of min $8.80 per trade or 0.8% whichever is higher
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https://www.fsmone.com.my/stocks/get-started/stock-fees

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SGX trading is up
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QUOTE(tadashi987 @ Dec 23 2021, 09:04 AM)
Not a guess but a fact why bother multiple tier fees when it’s easier to manage with a single tier fee doh.gif

So common sense prevail when FSM is too predictable as they are conservative which is why their shareholders are happy
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QUOTE(xander83 @ Dec 24 2021, 07:30 PM)
Not a guess but a fact why bother multiple tier fees when it’s easier to manage with a single tier fee  doh.gif 

So common sense prevail when FSM is too predictable as they are conservative which is why their shareholders are happy
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8.80 vs 25+ which we used to pay to Spore brokerage is half price and more cheaper. But transact via FSM shares are under FSM custodian acct not in CDP acct. But I guess for Msian CDP acct means nothing.

Ramjade mention SGX good for REIT stocks and not much else so he go for US stocks and ETF via IBKR paying even lesser fees. Guess diff investors diff strategies.

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