QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jun 17 2017, 03:40 PM)
I love to spread my funds across multiple fund houses. so I can switch between them without incurring charges
Having many funds will result in your real return being diluted, no?FundSuperMart v18 (FSM) MY : Online UT Platform, UT DIY : Babystep to Investing :D
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Jun 17 2017, 03:42 PM
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Jun 17 2017, 03:51 PM
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jun 17 2017, 03:47 PM) Nah even fsm advocates 8 fund port. imagine lah when happen if I don't have China and India to prop up my port Haha to each his own I guess. Investing is afterall an art. As long as at the end of the day your pocket is happy and quality of life is enhanced, then that's good enough! p/s: Your port looks extremely similar to whatever Xuzen recommends for flavour of the month/season though. |
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Jun 18 2017, 11:28 AM
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QUOTE(Gabriel03 @ Jun 17 2017, 09:20 PM) Hello Unpopular opinion here, but I think you're having too many funds. Agree that you should check the correlation first. Like I've mentioned before, I believe in having a small portfolio which cover across geographical regions as you can see from my portfolio above. (Preferable not to have EISC And KGF together though). I am quite new to Unit Trust and diversifying my fund.I would to change my strategy to be more aggressive. Thus, I would like to increase the allocation in equities but how do one properly know if the funds are well diverse? For the moment, I have : Selina : 5.1% Ponzi 2.0 : 3.4% Titans : 5.1% KGF : 4.3% Manu India : 5.1% RAIF : 8.5% TAGF : 4.3% Esther : 21.4% RHB EM 42.7% For the moment, I focused more on Asia Pacific & Emerging markets since it's rated five stars by FSM. I touch the developed markets via TAGF and Titans. The thing is that I don't know I increase my portfolio for developed markets via TAGTF. Yes, Technology tends to be stable but it is partially influenced by the developed countries. Any advices? I have not been doing this for long, only 3 years. But the only switch I've made were from Libra Asnita (right before the bleed, but I was lucky, not that I could time), to Amreits and from AmReits to India because I wanted my port to be more aggressive. Along the way I continued to DCA/VCA despite what everyone is saying or recommending for the month. And I'm very happy with my result now |
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Jun 19 2017, 11:49 AM
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QUOTE(spiderman17 @ Jun 18 2017, 12:54 PM) Mind sharing your port allication and irr ? Also comment if you got do any lump sum investment during this 3years. Good day. Portfolio allocation is roughly as below:You dca/vca every month? Or quarterly? For reference/study purpose. Thanks. Ponzi 2: 26.5 Titans : 18.5 EISC : 20 KGF : 20 India: 15 IRR currently at 14.5%. Note that I do not regularly track my IRR though (too noob for that, usually just ask FSM CIS to generate for me I have never done any lump sum. Just regular DCA monthly. In a hindsight I wish I had only ONE local fund and Manu Reits instead of Amreits. |
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Jun 21 2017, 11:20 AM
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QUOTE(tchau83 @ Jun 21 2017, 11:07 AM) Yes, I saw that. My issue was that there's no credit quality information on their holdings, and it is unknown where 60%, a significant portion, of their holdings are from. Argentina government bonds? I hope not. Its quite clear that they hold mainly emerging market government bonds, but more transparency would give more assurance. Maybe I was being over-dramatic earlier. Exactly why I planned to move. The returns are slightly higher than non-Bumi fixed price ASx funds, ease of buying, and managing everything under FSM makes it easier for rebalancing. I'll leave some in amanah saham because bankers consider that when we apply for loans Agree that ASx should not be considered for stock portion of portfolio. But I think ASx compares favorably to bonds - zero volatility and probably higher risk-adjusted returns. Yeah, not being able to deposit into ASx easily is a point against it, and ASx being not on FSM makes rebalancing tricky. |
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Jul 9 2017, 03:52 PM
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Group A.
Started 3 years ago. IRR generated by FSM-CIS (cos I am too stupid for the excel in first page) 15.5%. Currently holding, CIMB Global Titans KGF Manu India Ponzi 2 Funds ever held and has since been dumped: Amreits, LibraAsnita, EISC Regular VCA/DCA, keep my portfolio small and lean, hardly do any switching here and there and incur additional cost. |
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Jul 13 2017, 01:12 AM
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jul 13 2017, 12:50 AM) Be advised. careful who you believe in this forum especially when it comes to someone asking you to place a big gamble into a particular fund or stock. I have seen and heard of invisible hands trying to get you into joining them for their own benifits. Oh my god. my sincere advise is to avoid the interpac funds as they are currently invested by a few, if they pull out from the fund you may left for the vultures. stay in the relative safety of many investors in funds that have been tested and tried over the number of years. Why chase returns with unit trust when there are more exciting ventures like stocks. food for thought. This is just ONE of the many styles of investing, and hahacat's is another style that not many actually follow and agree with, including myself. I'm the boring DCA/VCA guy that doesn't hold Interpac. But that doesn't mean he is wrong, I think his postings are really worth thinking about. And may I suggest.. before we actually tell people what to do and who to follow or believe in.. make sure you have good results to show first.. the last I saw though.... I wouldn't be happy la. |
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Jul 13 2017, 07:11 AM
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jul 13 2017, 01:53 AM) why so defensive eh? It is my cautionary disclaimer. no need to be so emotional. I know everyone has their own styles but always take everything with a pinch of salt especially from the ones that advocate the most reckless and risky maneuvers in investing. don't get burnt. No need for me to be defensive over someone online that I don't even know and probably will never meet bro. My point is, even if we do not agree with certain styles does not mean we need to dismiss that idea and ask others to do so. For example I do not agree with the "skimming profit" way but I acknowledge it is one of the many ways, to each his own. Cheers. others can stomach a lost of 50k which is small change to them but 50k is a great sum of money to someone who worked for 9 years reaching that point. Anyways part of my job to warn people and advise them as I always have been advocating in this forum. you guys can take or leave it. nite On the hindsight I really wish I held Interpac funds but I didn't want to switch here and there because already hold KGF from the beginning. Anywayyyy just sold my EISC and consolidated into just one local fund - KGF. Entered China at 10% allocation as well. So my list becomes Ponzi 2, KGF, Manu India, Titans, and Cimb China now. This post has been edited by voyage23: Jul 13 2017, 07:11 AM |
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Jul 13 2017, 08:47 AM
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QUOTE(puchongite @ Jul 13 2017, 07:25 AM) Yeah I also don't agree with the idea of "skimming profit". I think it's a strange idea and that's counter productive. True, I personally feel it's counter productive as well. I usually just rebalance with injection of fresh funds and will never withdraw until the day I need it. Frequent "skimming" might even affect your returns in negative way I feel.. but that's just me. |
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Jul 13 2017, 11:46 AM
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Ramjade and puchogite bro,
Don't think these calculations will be very helpful for us leh. If you are confident in Interpac, go for it. If you are afraid of all these details, who holds what and how many holders, there are MANY other alternatives. And Ramjade don't repeat your mistakes in personal loan 100k thread |
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Jul 14 2017, 11:04 PM
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QUOTE(MUM @ Jul 14 2017, 09:52 PM) HAHACAT gives some very interesting and sensible advises/comments from his posts about wanting to follow his style of investing and trying to be like him. |
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Jul 14 2017, 11:17 PM
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Jul 15 2017, 09:09 PM
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Wow. So active this thread this week. Good good.
Anyone went for the talk in KLCC today? How was it? |
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Jul 17 2017, 11:35 AM
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jul 17 2017, 10:48 AM) With regards to leveraging using UTF, I have been a participant of UTF since 2005 and a holder of FIMM license from 2008 to 2013, I am not aware of the facilities of leveraging 66%. It was never discussed nor talk about. If what is said is true, it should have been made known either formally by the seniors or informally through the grapevine. |
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Jul 17 2017, 10:53 PM
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jul 17 2017, 10:49 PM) Lately we are very much into trend spotting. So now Xuzen wishes to talk about trend and to tell young investors some bedtime story for entertainment sake. Just out of curiousity, since we are in this trend spotting topic and you seem to have gotten most of it right, what is your IRR till date? Because I only recall you telling us you "gained RM2xxx this month", which doesn't really give any meaning to be honest.Let's start from the China real estate cooling measure circa mid 2015. This one Algozen two did not pick up. This was one of the worse drop in my portfolio. I used one year old data for analysis, and that was why it failed to correctly spot the trend. So therefore kids, try to take a longer outlook when investing. Unker Xuzen is telling you from his own experience. Subsequently I never entered anymore China specific UTF until today. From mid 2015 to early 2016, I used Ponzi two as a proxy for China exposure and thereafter from early 2016 to qtr two of 2017, it was RHB AIF. These two funds did mediacore, giving decent return given its risk (meium risk UTF). Next, let's talk about India, way before anyone was bullish on India, I believe I was one of the very first to go into India fund, circa mid of 2016. And oh boy! Was she hot and spicy.... she shot up like rocket. Now only FSM recommend India fund. Somehow Algozen ver three was good to spot this hidden gem. The next trend I spotted was TA - GTF to ride on the USD / MYR weakness. This again was a very good call. She is still going up up up and she is still a keeper. I entered it in qtr three of 2016, then kept skimming profit from it starting from early 2017 to June 2017. Still keeping her. Briefly, before all this, in 2013 to 2014, Algozen ver one buy call was KGF. Yes, those times were also a good time for making money via KGF. I already made one round from Malaysia equities in 2013 to 2014. Hope you noobs enjoy bedside story from unker Xuzen. Xuzen. |
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Jul 19 2017, 07:40 PM
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jul 19 2017, 07:34 PM) wah lao fundsupermart staffs really scare me when I saw this on my fb timeline Different kind of leveraging though! Hehehttps://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...ded-Funds--8588 who was it that were talking about leveraging the other day here? |
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Jul 20 2017, 07:02 PM
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QUOTE(jdgobio @ Jul 20 2017, 06:56 PM) You know, when I first learnt of this concept and saw it in action, you were probably still in diapers. The "contrarian investing" moniker was probably not even invented yet. There were such investors of course but it was not a "thing" like it is now. Now its just so overused that it eventually becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Spitting out theory is easy since hindsight is always 20/20. I would like to see how you execute it and then share your story with us. Agreed. Not forgetting incurring opportunistic cost while waiting for the next plunge which nobody knows when is it gonna happen. Imagine holding that cash vs putting it in Interpac (FOR EXAMPLE)..how much have you lost by just waiting and trying to time the market?It is not my intention to put you down, I wish I had your enthusiasm, access to easy knowledge and some money to invest at your age. I just want to put you in your rightful place - you are a budding investor who has not yet got his battle scars but you are very eager to give advice to others who's background you know nothing about. Some people could take your advice as the gospel truth and get burnt badly you know? |
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Jul 21 2017, 07:43 AM
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It always happens in this thread. When someone comes in with a huge amount, and invests with a different style by timing the market or anything not according to text book, everyone gets offended here. Especially now that this is a young guy so everyone is even more offended.
I come from same generation as him as I deem him being more successful than I am now and I'm interested to read his views actually. But doesn't mean I will follow fully. I for one will not dare to leverage to invest. But doesn't mean it's wrong. Still remember the drama between guy3288 and pink spider back then. This too shall pass. Anyway, what's everyone's view on China going forward? |
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Jul 21 2017, 01:08 PM
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jul 21 2017, 12:48 PM) kinda contradicting yourself when you are advocating people to borrow money to make a gamble onto a high risk and high return investment vehicle. great that they can rake in money, my hat to you for making that gamble. Sorry but when did he ADVOCATE people to do that ah? He was just explaining how he is a platinum member at his age because all of you went crazy here. So he said smart financing. He did not ask anyone to follow? Are you in the same camp of people that say lyrics of "Despacito" will make people horny? Has it ever occurred to you that why authority allows the 66% leveraging, and that it appears in FIMM syllabus and every damn exam? Must be an idiot to follow blindly people that you don't even know and just read about online. now what if the gamble fails. they go into debt. they can't finish paying for it. don't give me the bullshit about this gamble will pay off! I made 9% roi. you willing to take into consideration that your action and words are gonna ruin people lives? I don't know about your personality but every advise I dish out here I make sure my conscience is clean. you are a dca believer. I'm down with it. vca. okay. active trading. passive trading. your call. Ramjade's going to Singapore. sure why not? yours is something I do not agree. plus you are using your half a million wealth to prove your point. something money scammers love doing. Everyone has their own risk tolerance. Kudos to him that he haz the balls that I no haz. Everyone is responsible for their own money la. |
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Jul 21 2017, 02:49 PM
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jul 21 2017, 02:24 PM) also don't go derailing the argument talking about a banned song. this makes you look like an uneducated clout And how did that post appear? Because someone was questioning whether we can even leverage right? And he had to answer that no? And did you just conveniently ignore my part on leveraging in UT? Or you're lazy to read up?How is that derailing when it's the exact same mentality? Going by your logic, if everyone follows your advice of skimming this skimming that, quitting this quitting that, aren't you ruining their potential returns too? Or life? (Hyperbole like you a bit) |
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