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post Feb 14 2017, 10:59 AM

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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Feb 14 2017, 10:44 AM)
What is not true? And how is a simple statement on compounding returns not true?

No doubt, the nav price will may be moving up and down daily, but if its net weekly growth maybe positive. It maybe negative growth for this week, and it could be net positive by the end of the month. It maybe negative for the month, and still be net positive for the year...

So say, the profit is trimed this month, and the fund's performance continues to grow next month... there is no compounded growth since the 'profit', that was already taken out, did not 'grow'.

Initially, the difference may not be significant , but compounded it 50 or 100 times over... Don't you remember what you qouted a few pages back on an example on what compounding can do on a smaller sum of invested money? (The smaller sum invested due to service charges.)

BTW. Why just trim profit? If you think the market will be bad in near future, might as well take all out. Just trimming the weekly or monthly or yearly profit of several percent is not going to help mitigate the negative growth on the remaining 100%.

By your thoughts of "skim profit and pump back when it is low", this shows that you have yet to begin any regular UT investments. Still a student depending on monthly allowance from parents?
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Yes I don't believe in this idea of "skim profit" thing which is often talked about in this thread, mentioned by many people.

"skimming profit" is just effectively "reduce your investment or exposure" in a fund.

The worst is that "skimming profit" gives people an impression as if the capital can be protected by doing "skimming profit". Which it can't !
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post Feb 14 2017, 11:06 AM

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QUOTE(vincabby @ Feb 14 2017, 11:03 AM)
so with you it's all or nothing then? in terms of taking it out.
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No I don't mean that. "Skimming profit" means only take the profit portion and put it somewhere else.

If one wants to scale down exposure, he can scale down any amount he likes, not limiting to the profit portion only.
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post Feb 14 2017, 01:59 PM

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QUOTE(frankzane @ Feb 14 2017, 01:48 PM)
Can please recommend which fund that invests in Gold and commodities?
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Try to search on RHB Gold and General Fund. I believe it is one of the best. Top performer, last month 20% gain, one year 88% gain. LOL.
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post Feb 14 2017, 02:14 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Feb 14 2017, 02:06 PM)
When gold price tumbles and some reported loss of nearly 50% in this fund, the cursing started aloud.
Now this fund has turned into a blessing?
A little sarcastic perhaps!
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That will be expected. High risk means can win big also can lose big.
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post Feb 14 2017, 02:25 PM

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QUOTE(frankzane @ Feb 14 2017, 02:13 PM)
Thanks! Would this kind of fund any better than if I invest purely in gold account such as from PB, CIMB, Maybank, etc....
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Sorry can't advise. I don't have any gold account or gold unit trust.

Have been talking about wanting to invest in it, but months have past, and the fund has gained a few tens of percent, I am still having 0 units of it.
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post Feb 14 2017, 05:38 PM

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QUOTE(killdavid @ Feb 14 2017, 05:36 PM)
AmAsia REIT seems to get more love here than MANULIFE ASIA-PACIFIC REIT.

Anyone want to elaborate on this ?
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No, that's just one person who is more vocal and he loves the fund manager more than the fund itself ! rclxm9.gif
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post Feb 14 2017, 08:13 PM

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Oh everyday see the balloon gets bigger and bigger ...

Every fund is inflating ....
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post Feb 15 2017, 09:27 AM

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QUOTE(iamoracle @ Feb 15 2017, 08:06 AM)
Manulife India Equity Fund seems to be on steroid lately. My ROI hits 8% within 3 months.  shocking.gif  This is considered my best record.

A bit regret that I didn't pump in more money earlier. smile.gif
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ROI 8 % for India only or overall port ?

Funds on steroid is not limited to India. That's the thing now.

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post Feb 15 2017, 09:31 AM

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QUOTE(kazekage_09 @ Feb 15 2017, 09:02 AM)
Haha no no. What I mean is UT agents usually can recommend limited choices of funds depends on what fund houses they represent. And there are other funds that can easily top them in term of past performances history. So these multi millionaires people, of all people should know this fact right.

There are UT companies that I know they like to target these high net worth people. Maybe they don't have time to DIY their own UT portfolio and leverage on UT agents.
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No need to compare with agent funds. Just compare Affin Hwang Absolute Return II vs Ponzi 2.0.

Despite the difference in minimum 100k entry, minimum holding 6 months, etc etc, ponzi 2.0 is at bar with AH ARII.

Is there really a reason why one would be more comfortable with AH ARII ?
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post Feb 15 2017, 10:36 AM

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QUOTE(TakoC @ Feb 15 2017, 10:29 AM)
I'm starting to practice monthly top up. But seeing my portfolio hitting all time high week after week, fun but scary. Higher it goes, harder it falls.
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There is a new saying in town ( similar to Air Asia slogan ) :-

"Now everybody can beat EPF." devil.gif
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post Feb 15 2017, 12:10 PM

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QUOTE(TakoC @ Feb 15 2017, 11:42 AM)
Lol.

Now I'm having 2nd thoughts if I should stop monthly DCA. But who knows Asia market might continue to be on steroid for the whole year and I'll missed out.

Decisions, decisions
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Judging from today's stock, I foresee today is another big win day for ponzi 2.0, after 2 days consecutive win around 0.9%.
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post Feb 15 2017, 12:22 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 15 2017, 12:19 PM)
Any effects on malaysian stock market because of the murder of the N.Korean?
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Today it isn't doing that well but we don't know if it is anything to do with the murder. Probably not.
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post Feb 15 2017, 01:37 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 15 2017, 12:25 PM)
I am waiting for Ponzi 1, Ponzi 2, India, tech to cross the 12% profit mark then I run.
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The big question is where are you now ? How far from 12% ? blink.gif
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post Feb 15 2017, 01:46 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 15 2017, 01:43 PM)
I am at 5%+
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Say near not so near, say far not so far ( based current gain rate ) ! biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(T231H @ Feb 15 2017, 02:26 PM)
yes you are...but is he?
10~15% pa wor...isn't that a bit too optimistic?
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Doable based on portfolio simulator, say allocating 40% to ponzi 2.0 and the rest 20%. devil.gif


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post Feb 15 2017, 03:08 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 15 2017, 02:53 PM)

I believed 10% is doable. (United asian HY bond fund a perfect eg) 15% if you got nerve of steels.

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What so special about this United Asian HY bond fund ? Around 20% return for previous year ?
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post Feb 15 2017, 03:28 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 15 2017, 03:13 PM)
It's a AP bond fund which give 10% returns per year. Not as volatite as RHB ATRF
Min starting amount is rm10k. You got the moo? hmm.gif?
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I just checked the fund factsheet, it is not limited to AP, UK, netherland and what not are there too !

Given up on RHB ATRF already.
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post Feb 15 2017, 05:15 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 15 2017, 05:03 PM)
Amasia returns pales in comparison to Manulife AP REITS drool.gif  drool.gif
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Xuzen always picks risk reward ratio over pure return. That's mostly a matter of individual preference ?

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post Feb 15 2017, 05:43 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Feb 15 2017, 05:37 PM)
So many sifus said the same thing at the same time......made me scare liao .......will be planning to see tonite how is the US mkts....if still up...will relinques alot of eq to fi....to hv a better sleep
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Seems people are thinking the risk is mostly at the US side. But the rate of growth for US funds have mostly slowed down, isn't it ? By contrast, since beginning of 2017, it is the Asian funds which are on wild steroid.

So you guys think the bursting will happen to US funds only ?
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post Feb 15 2017, 05:56 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Feb 15 2017, 05:49 PM)
I am now just hv a little % in Us.....planning to cut overall eq to fi...which is heavy in asia pac.....
Btw...if US mkts corrects./ bursts as expevted by many sifus.......i believes whole world will be knee jerked too...maybe the duration will not be the sane
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Okay. But when I read this post, my impression is that US is the only one which might be over exposed ?

QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Feb 15 2017, 05:13 PM)
This must be the most active thread in Lowyat. I don't think we need to monitor the share market anymore. Just monitor this thread. If it is very active, this means the share market is going up.  tongue.gif

When is a good time to take profit? To wait for Trump's 100 days honeymoon period to finish? Or to do it now?

If you are doing it now, how much profit to skim off? For the ultra conversative or kiasu, they will skim off all the excess profit.

For those practising Value Averaging, if your profit is more than 4% from 1st January 2017 until 31st March 2017, then to skim off the extra 1% profit ala Value Averaging style. This is based on the assumption that you intend to make 12% per annum or 1% per month. The percentage to skim off will depend on your targeted annual profit.

For those who think they have over invested in US, they may sell off certain funds completely.

P/S: The more elegant term seems to be portfolio rebalancing rather than skimming off profits.  biggrin.gif
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