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post Jun 29 2021, 01:22 PM

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QUOTE(2387581 @ Jun 29 2021, 11:54 AM)
Can share which platform you use for US ETF?
I'm having hard time convincing myself to buy ETF using small amounts due to the high % of transaction costs.
And I haven't figure out the tax implications too for Malaysian buying US ETF on capital gains/dividend...if anyone know where to point me to.
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Easiest way to get involved in high quality international (mostly US equity) etf is StashAway.
Fees are 0.8% per annum, forex is 0.1% one way one off (usually less than that).
Downside is you can’t really choose the exact etf but you have to select a portfolio of etfs that diversify and try to keep risks low (package deal).
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post Jun 30 2021, 10:41 AM

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QUOTE(adele123 @ Jun 29 2021, 09:13 PM)
Not a user of AKRU but would AKRU give more exposure to US ETF?

Just throwing out options. biggrin.gif
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sure, why not...good suggestions! Edit: I browsed to Akrunow.com and google says it started in Oct 2020. Not that I'm against them in prejudice, but their website is not loading at 10:43am 30 June 2021.

I am not confident with anyone taking 5 figure from me that is flaky.

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post Jul 1 2021, 11:48 AM

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Jul 1 2021, 09:57 AM)
Still waiting for China and Asia ex Japan to gain momentum... stagnant for sometime now
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no news is sometimes good news. We are still fighting covid like it or not, and any semblance of normalcy, quietness, no panic is great for me.

Chinese market driven by EV seems picking up steam.

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post Jul 27 2021, 02:20 PM

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i want to switch out my Principal Greater China to Principal Global Technology Fund - SGD hedged.

But it is not in the list when I try to do switching. I dont have enough to start a Principal Global Technology Fund - MYR Hedged.
Any suggestions to stay in Principal?
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post Jul 27 2021, 02:50 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Jul 27 2021, 02:36 PM)
check with them?
maybe FSM can do it "manually" for you?
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i just got a call back. Apparently all houses intra switching cannot change to different currency. What a blah excuse.
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post Jul 31 2021, 06:21 PM

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Many etfs are available. But US$8.80 fee is very crazy.

For comparison you can buy at 1$ fee with moo moo or even 0 or 0.35$ with IB.

The fees as is, is barely cheaper than charged by local brokers with retail banks.

Not to mention with a full service brokerage you can buy Nasdaq or nyse stocks at the same place and cost….hopefully they can get more competitive.
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post Aug 1 2021, 01:31 PM

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QUOTE(tadashi987 @ Aug 1 2021, 01:17 PM)
not friendly for small potato investor who practising DCA like me, I am doing 5k DCA into ETF each time tongue.gif
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RM35/5000 also not insignificant...to me...haha. I honestly tell you I buy QQQM 1 unit at a time for DCA.

I also buy VNQ 1 at a time for DCA, among others.

And then you have Forex rates at approximately 0.5% one way. For buy and hold maybe ok la.
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post Aug 1 2021, 02:03 PM

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QUOTE(tadashi987 @ Aug 1 2021, 01:34 PM)
u use TD?
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I use E*TRADE n Interactive brokers.
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post Aug 3 2021, 01:12 PM

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QUOTE(WhitE LighteR @ Aug 3 2021, 01:01 PM)
Might be temporary only. The rumor was brought about by a news article in china calling online gaming into question. Sparking fears of gov regulations. But it's possible it's only just rumor.
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With China stocks right now (especially those available for sale in US) it is temporary until further notice. Bulls will say 10% discount, bears say holy crap batman.
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I swapped my greater China to Titans fund. For now. Yes need to wait till they settle internally and redraw the lines of engagement. Don’t tell me they suddenly realised Honor of Kings (王之荣誉) is only today start to destroy their kids education or attention to studies. It’s just one grenade after another.
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QUOTE(jonoave @ Aug 3 2021, 09:07 PM)
Lol I actually did the oppose, since the Titans fund is pretty high now and China is dipping. Just swapped some only.
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with every crisis comes opportunity. No wrong or right just gain or loss!
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QUOTE(ganesh1696 @ Nov 23 2021, 08:40 PM)
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another thing to know about the quality of these funds are the liquidity and the discount / premium ratios. Some may have a tracking error higher than another, and that can eat into your value. Especially for illiquid funds.
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post Nov 26 2021, 09:19 AM

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for me in selecting a particular fund :
1. Risk reward - Sharpe, sortino.
1.1 Historical performance
1.2 Comparison to benchmark
1.3 Is the fund manager new or not, does he/she have the job for a long time? if its a feeder fund, then all this questions need to be asked of the mother fund.
1.4 A diverse portfolio compared to my own needs. Do i need defensive funds? Do I want to invest in certain geolocation (I think this topic is useless these days - Invest in greater china, the company is TSM which then is listed in US also and depends mostly on US sales, same like Nvidia)

RSP, fees, switching etc all does not really come to mind. It is about building a relationship with the FM, that I will trust him(her) with my money and he will look after it, grow it with respect to the benchmark.

However, once I personally go through this list of requirements I find that very few ever actually meet my criteria. The ones that do are usually passive!

Good luck!
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QUOTE(sgh @ Nov 26 2021, 02:39 PM)
Sorry you mention relationship with the FM ? Does it mean if that guy/gal left and join other fund houses you will also withdraw and purchase the fund that guy/gal is managing in the new fund house ? Long long time ago, there are discussion on those very good fund manager how once they left monies flow out from the fund they used to manage to the new fund he/she now manage in the new fund house as investors chase after that talented FM trusting his/her skills to pick the correct stocks.
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I suppose its not a friendship nor even a fanship. To me its more of a predictable leadership. And a transactional relationship. I don;t think I want to make this too complicated - Bad manager = no no. Good manager = ok. How to determine good managership - test with time and money.

It is still the same, good talent attracts good opportunities. Your returns is almost solely based on the ability of FM to pick stocks. Now, I say again - These are few and far in between and they also disappear very fast. What does that tell you?
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QUOTE(sgh @ Nov 26 2021, 03:52 PM)
I agree. What I have listed earlier is if the overlap of the top 5/10 holdings stocks between funds is too high, then it maybe wiser to just purchase one fund rather than two or three in my examples. It is about stretching your X dollars to reach out to more diversified basket of stocks.

Here in Spore I find a few XXX Global, you look into fund factsheet the top 5/10 holdings are at least 90% US IT stocks. Same for XXX Emerging Market, you look into fund factsheet it is China plus India. The fund name is so misleading to me. When I read Global how can the top 5/10 holdings all concentrated on US IT stocks? Likewise for Emerging Market.

Someone told me the word Global is just a mandate given to the fund manager he can pick stocks around the world but he can buy 90% US IT stocks and it still satisfies the Global mandate. Same argument for Emerging Market. If that is the case, investors now need to be extra careful, do please peruse the fund factsheet in detail to know what you are investing into.
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It’s much better than those locked into a certain region or even country like Malaysia or something and they are absolutely not able to even outperform a faltering index.

The most simple thing is to really hold your manager / fund to the responsibility of at least matching the benchmark. If it has the mandate to go worldwide then you can know by seeing the choice of benchmark tracks whether is msci world index or whatever.

As I say these days, to lock yourself to a region is not necessarily a good thing. You’d be glad to have avoided a China only fund recently even though it was all roses a year ago. Nett nett is might as well give the fund freedom, and have the expectations that it should meet the benchmark of its choice (this does not mean ANY benchmark).

If you are really starting from zero and building your overall portfolio, I will look at how StashAway does it.

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QUOTE(sgh @ Nov 27 2021, 12:13 PM)
I have been investing with FSM when they launched in 2000 which is much older than StashAway etc new entrants. I already have a diversified portfolio. But me now coming age 50 want to allocate a small portion to be riskier get higher returns hence I target single country or sector.

Having gone through 1998 financial crisis, 2008 Lehman brothers crisis and now Covid19, I have learned the time to invest is when everyone pull out. However this Covid19 may last much longer so I doing more research and hence the questions I ask in forum.

There are some funds with risk rating 10 and seem to follow more obscure index. There are funds where it can only invest in Asian small companies. This truly test the FM skills to pick the stocks but the returns are huge.

Single country and sector is risky but with good returns once they bounce back. Agree some single country really CMI I follow one country 3 years still red colour so cut loss sell. China India US are best bets IMO especially China really rocket from year 2000 to now.

South America, Eastern Europe, Middle East, Russia, Australia etc are all those I have not tried and look risky indeed. Look at Brazil recently.
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i see, interesting strategy and hope it plays out for you. I don't usually keep my funds beyond 3 years if it doesn't perform, 2 years is the time I begin taper, 3 years will be cut away.
May I ask, why after 20 odd years are you still in mutual funds? Do you find it rewarding enough for the risk and fees you pay, considering in Singapore there is easy access to passive ETF?

Any example of funds you find totally outweighed your fees?

All those countries you listed - Latin America, Eastern Europe, middle east, etc are not exactly known for explosive / sustainable growth, except perhaps Brazil but it fizzle out so quickly. Personally I think its a waste of time to invest in countries that are not well managed politically. Its a great opportunity to take risks, but I haven't seen any mutual fund manager that really so Ace in this, at least not available through FSM platforms. Through external platforms if you search hard enough through Morningstar, perhaps there will be some.
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QUOTE(sgh @ Nov 29 2021, 04:19 PM)
My personal view is it is a factor but not the overall main dominating factor. Reason being typically for UT they do not just buy all the stocks that comprises of the index, if they do that then it is the same as ETF and yet they charge more fees? If that happen please just invest the ETF instead.

UT in order to outperform the index has the flexibility to invest in other stocks not inside the index and for some even invest in some high yielding bonds or other income generating instruments etc. This is why last time the some investor argument is UT is not an exact apple to apple comparison with ETF. UT need to do more work which translate to higher mgmt fees.

My past research indicates some UT typically follow 50-70% of the same stocks in the index. The remaining are in other stocks outside of the index and other investment stated above.

Again just to be fair to ETF supporters, there are quite a lot of under-performing UT throughout my 21 years of investing which can explain why ETF found many supporters over the years. The reason why I still have not entered ETF is in my earlier replies. CPF,dividend,fees criteria which maybe different for different investors. To also clarify, I have bought a few REIT aka dividend paying stocks just not ETF btw.

I think comparing ETF with UT is not a really apple to apple comparison. Perhaps ETF vs individual stock vs REIT stock is a closer comparison. They share the same fee structure each buy/sell pay fees, fractional aka odd lots selling etc.
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It would be so much appreciated if you can give some actual examples.

I can only guess now that you are Singapore based, investing out of your cash account(?).

How much are you investing and for how long ? If you say you are pretty quick to buy sell then yes transaction fees can be more expensive than sales charge and annual management fees. But tbh in my experience in Malaysian based UT (forgive my ignorance towards Singapore based)
There is less than a handful worth to keep more than 3 years. Another thing is I was under the assumption that buying ETF is almost zero fee for a Singaporean with access to TD, E*Trade, Schwab etc
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QUOTE(sgh @ Dec 1 2021, 10:56 AM)
After finding out I can access FSM Msia I do a scan. The recommended funds are not bad. But the Fund Selector Show Columns lack the Dividend Yield %, Dividend Frequency for those who want to target dividend paying UT.

Overall I think the number of Fund Managers are too little. Even the recommended funds section has too little funds.
For e.g Spore recommended funds section our selections are
Core Portfolio Equity,Asia Ex Japan,Asia Pacific Ex Japan,China,Europe,Global,Global Emerging Market,Greater China,Japan,US
Supplementary Portfolio. ASEAN,Emerging Europe,Latin America,China-Local,India,Msia,Russia,Spore
Sector Portfolio. Disruptive Innovation,Financials,Healthcare,Property,Resources,Technology,Asia Pac Property

When lee82gx mention very little funds worth to hold more than 3 years I now tend to agree with you. Your choices seem more limited so perhaps may want to consider ETF or even stocks. Maybe as times go by FSM Msia bring in more fund managers and funds you consider again.

Btw not sure how Bursa exchange charge but in Spore SGX, besides the 8.80 we pay to FSM we still need to pay some small percentage to SGX as fees. So while ETF,stocks offer faster or more profits please keep in mind all these charges. They are applied for every buy/sell and that includes RSP as well. These fees will add up depending on your trading frequency.

For SGX Reit stocks, instead of dividend payout we can opt for shares so these shares is like normal shares and you no need pay fees. I am not sure about Bursa Reit stocks though. Reit stocks are quite a hit with Spore investors. Got "allowance" and yet still remain invested in the stock. The capital gain may not be high but remember if you sell all, you need to find another stock or buy back again. This is quite troublesome for semi-passive investors.
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REIT stocks are also a separate class with special tax treatment in malaysia (I am not too sure, I think so).
Yes, frequent trading of ETF in Malaysia is same as stocks, which means fees all round similar to you, 8.8+stamp duty, tax, etc. It is not suitable to do frequent, and small amount trading.

Personally when I talk about ETF, I'm referring to VOO, VTI, QQQ, GLD or even ARRK (yucks for now) those kind of funds. Also the kinds that expose to China like KWEB, CXSE or KGRN. Exposure to high growth markets, basically. With international brokers, they are cheap to trade, liquid, transparent and expose you directly to the underlying securities. Personally I buy and trade QQQ, VOO type of ETF's with near 0 cost.

That;s why I initially say I am would start looking at Stashaway components if I want to buy funds.

Regarding Malaysian mutual trust funds, it is not by accident that Malaysia is one of the worst equity markets in the developing world. When this happens, coupled by Singapore's $ strength, a lot of talent and capital flow away. So we are stuck in a vicious loop for the equity market. Then you add the so-called religion based investment (!).
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QUOTE(ganesh1696 @ Dec 2 2021, 07:56 PM)
My worst investment decision ever made. Yes I can handle those high risk investment. For long term it may outperform but currently down by more than 20% even when other index funds are in green ( before omicron news).
Maybe I failed as  an investor.
Anyway going to continuous dca to minimise the loss.
Should've allocate more into index funds.

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um, may i offer unsolicited advice?
Why would you DCA your worst decision ever?

Do you have a best decision ever? If you care to share, I'd like to know it and listen to why you don't DCA that as much as you can?
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QUOTE(rain_wolf @ Dec 6 2021, 01:05 PM)
What's your thoughts on these two? Based on the historical performance, TA's fund seems to be doing quite well. And the tech market seems to be growing further in the future. The Maybank's fund also not to shabby over the past 6 months that you've shown. Also, what made you to invest in either of the two funds? Your input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
Yea thinking of choosing either of the two funds since they both are quite similar.
1. I think I get this. So basically choose a fund from a fund house that offer other funds that are good, in the case of the fund that I chose turn out to not performing well I can easily change. Is this correct?
2. That's the thing, since both initial and subs amount are the same for the two, and at quite a high initial price, making it hard for me to choose. They do however differ in min redemption and min holding tho.
3. The fact that Maybank's fund is relatively new kinda makes it more enticing to me, as it has more room to grow in term of the NAV? (I could be wrong here tho)

Thank you for your thoughts.
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1. Similarity - I don't think they are similar in long term. They may look similar if you take a 6 month snap shot. What fund manager A may do to MSFT during $400, 10% holding may be very different to Manager B may do with MSFT during $400, 1% holding.

2. Initial price - WRONG. All you should care is whether the fund grows or not. It is absolutely nothing to do with the price per unit.
3. New fund can grow more? MAYBE. Your fund total NAV is comprised of 10% MSFT ($350 each), 5% Google ($2500) etc. Tell me how a newer fund just because of time of inception can suddenly grow more than another fund who has the same amount of security?
The only way it grows is NOT by you (subscriber or unit holder) buying more. There is an unlimited number of units created as and when new units are purchased. The NAV of each unit grows when the value of the security it holds grows, compared to when you bought it.

Similarly when you sell, it does not impact the value of the unit (at least not by much).

Edit-sorry I used too harsh word...

Edit 2 - on 2nd thoughts, it is sometimes true that a small fund can grow faster than a big fund. I apologize for not thinking through and blurbing out too soon. Mouth goes before the head. But this usually happens with close ended fund. And looking at the securities both funds are trading - probably Not going to happen.

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