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Avangelice
post Mar 6 2017, 07:33 PM

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QUOTE(drew86 @ Mar 6 2017, 07:22 PM)
This strategy crossed my mind before as an alternative to ASN FP funds which are near impossible to get. Well..will just procrastinate a wee bit longer.
How so?
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QUOTE(john123x @ Mar 6 2017, 07:25 PM)
i also want to know why do u think so
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it feels like an invisible person is stalking our every conversation and yet we don't know who's that.
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post Mar 6 2017, 10:15 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Mar 6 2017, 10:11 PM)
One trip down = SGD 60.00 x 2 (to and fro) = SGD 120 x 3.35 = MYR 402.00. Not counting makan and minum. But for you special wan, you will buy Gardenia Sambal Bun x 2 plus one bot mineral water = MYR 5.00 for the whole trip wan!

BTW you put in MYR 100K in bond meh? You kena MYR 400.00 per annum meh?

Xuzen
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on top of it time is money. I rather be seeing patients during Saturday and Sunday and make money rather than to exchange currency, fly to Singapore. negotiate with banks to open up an account. bank in every once a while. don't think my health is worth the effort for a few percentage of returns

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post Mar 6 2017, 10:27 PM

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QUOTE(wodenus @ Mar 6 2017, 10:20 PM)
True.. my family know all my passwords lol.  Anything happen they can just transfer out smile.gif
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Mar 6 2017, 10:23 PM)
One day they may transfer your money out while you are stlll alive...it is a risk you will have to live with.
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that reminds me. I need to start looking at will writing and set a beneficiary for my epf which I always forget to do. now I'm also planning to leave as little debts as I can if I were to die suddenly in a car crash and leave enough money for my dad to live by
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post Mar 6 2017, 10:36 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 6 2017, 10:30 PM)
xuzen we will see won't we biggrin.gif  bruce.gif
Keep in mind some people said malaysia going to introduce death tax aka inheritance tax after GE. Not sure true or not. Don't know how to overcome this. doh.gif One shot like US tax 40% of the total value...  rclxub.gif
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easy. give passwords to the one person you trust the most then again there was a topic in kopitiam that a guy gave his father who requested for money to be placed in epf. after the dad die there were no money to be found and he left debts do even the person you trust the most can back stab you eventually
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post Mar 6 2017, 11:00 PM

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I would like to highlight that one shouldn't be focusing on the small things like platform fees and service fees when you should infact be thinking about where to invest in.

yes you are paying 400myr for a 100,000myr bond fund but you forgot the one reason you stepped into the whole unit thrust thing was the returns. so 6% of a bond fund is 6000 myr per annum. what's that 400 compared to the returns. I doubt that some of us focus on 400 when wasting money on cigarettes and booze and don't tell me all of you do not smoke or drink.

400myr/12 months = myr 33. don't tell me you don't spend more than that for yourself each month.

come on the topic has been done to death. it's getting a little tedious by repeating itself every forth night

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post Mar 6 2017, 11:08 PM

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QUOTE(MNet @ Mar 6 2017, 11:06 PM)
How much charges to let FSM managed UT services?
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bond fund 0.05% per quarter

Equity is already calculated in NAV for their annual management fees

2% of service charges.
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post Mar 7 2017, 02:22 PM

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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Mar 7 2017, 02:12 PM)


He is more worried of being taken advantage of by the other party even though the business transaction is beneficial to both parties.

The kiasu person would rather bypass the net benefits he would get and not let the other party gain anything if he perceives that the other party is gaining it at his expense.
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so if we do away with the platform fee or whatever fee, who's going to pay for fsm staff pay, their server maintenance, their security upgrades, their promotion and events. if they don't earn anything from our transaction just tutup saja. there is no free lunch on this planet.

that's why I always give tips to waiters when there's no service charge because I came from a dirt poor family. I KNOW what if feels to be below the rung of society. what harm can you do by sharing part of your work/service/clientele to people serving you?

it pisses me off when cheap skates thing they deserve free lunches just because they are your customers.
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post Mar 7 2017, 02:27 PM

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QUOTE(AIYH @ Mar 7 2017, 02:24 PM)
I think they still earn AUM fee from various fund houses based on their total AUM from us?
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Well frankly I don't mind nor care if they earn money from both sides. it's a business not an NGO. as long as I am satisfied with the quality of work they put it providing me that service I do not mind paying part of my proceeds to them. after all my main source of income is from my work not chasing FD, eGIA-i or TT rates. I don't want to sacrifice my life and risking traveling up and down over a few dollars.

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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Mar 7 2017, 02:41 PM)

BTW to the other students and yet-to-join-the-rat-race in this forum, why PRS ???
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exactly. PRS is for working Joes who want the tax relief. I do not advocate students and fresh grads to go into prs as they need all the money to start a business, a family, buy a car or house to grow. locking in money at such an early age isn't advisable
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QUOTE(OptimusStar @ Mar 7 2017, 10:34 PM)
If we don't enjoy the 1K government money for PRS , is there any reason we should open a PRS account? I can't see any.
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tax relief. working class joes like me hate it when majority of our taxes goes to the Goverment.
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post Mar 8 2017, 09:36 AM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Mar 8 2017, 06:53 AM)
hm.. i think U are assuming all PRS funds returns <=1%pa?
heheh. please do check first - not all PRS funds as as "good"

as for short vs long term, er.. dont U think think equities will "grow in price" in the long term due to inflation, economic growth, etc?
isn't that long term thinking?

also - the tax relief, be it <=15% or >=24.5%, isn't that also long term thinking? every year, "make" that % and use the cold hard cash for FD, stocks, mortgage extra paydown, etc.?

in addition - those below 30s, with the Gov extra incentive.. still not worthwhile?

hm.. U running your own biz returning way more than the combined above in %pa terms?
if so, good BUT the above is passive or non-active income/assets.
if one wishes to compare active income - IMHO, better to use things like trading in options, forex, futures, margin stocks & flipping properties.

no absolute right/wrong, just perspectives  notworthy.gif
On the aspect of "amortised down" over 20-30 years, i've done similar Excel sims on SSPN (lagi worse, FD rate++ pa only but with tax relief). If every year we get the tax relief for new $ injected, even if SSPN fell from $6K to $3K next year onwards, it will still be worth my time to do SSPN for the next 15 years due to the total IRR pa% (Excel's XIRR). Note - i was already on SSPN since 2008, not "virgin" tongue.gif - lagi worse (longer time frame ma).

Thus, similar calculations/logic will be for PRS and the additional bonus is if one does equity PRS, equities generally rise in the long run due to inflation, economic growth, population (sheeples?) growth, etc.
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so you are saying prs returns are worst than FD? sorry I didn't get your second paragraph.
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Mar 8 2017, 12:49 PM)
er..
2nd paragraph (copied & pasted 1st two para below) - didnt write anything about FD

If U meant the 2nd line of the 1st paragraph - being sarcastic with the word "good" since our buddy stated "<=1%" PRS returns tongue.gif

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hm.. i think U are assuming all PRS funds returns <=1%pa?
heheh. please do check first - not all PRS funds as as "good"

as for short vs long term, er.. dont U think think equities will "grow in price" in the long term due to inflation, economic growth, etc?
isn't that long term thinking?
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oh god I am getting a headache. your two post remind me of Boon3 from stock exchange. he talks like that and my head is reading the posts like there's a pause between each sentence.

need to read it three to four time and give up at the end hahahah

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post Mar 9 2017, 09:43 AM

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for those who own a house and still on the fence on putting your money in prs you can do what I do.

initiate a withdrawal from EPF by using account 2 to pay into your monthly home loan. epf will bank in your money into a bank account of your choice.

1) yearly epf contribution is already tax deductible.

2)contributions to prs is tax deductible.

3) both epf and prs have the same lock down period.

as long as you manage to ur prs every year and making sure it makes more than epf dividend. you are essentially enjoying tax rebates twice without it disturbing your finance
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Mar 9 2017, 11:12 AM)
My total portfolio at all time high interms of ROI... smile.gif
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Don't jinx it bro. =)
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QUOTE(newbiz2008 @ Mar 9 2017, 12:26 PM)
Bro any suggestion for global titan fund? Let go or hold, I had 10% capital gain now
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1) hold for capital appreciation (long term growth)

2) skim profit

why sell?


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QUOTE(voyage23 @ Mar 9 2017, 01:32 PM)
Same!
Amreits (1.76%)
Ponzi 2 (12.12%)
CIMB Titans (14.71%)
EISC (8.62%)
KGF (11.88%)

Waiting to see when will all these come crashing down...when is the burble bursting. hmm.gif
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your AmAsia REITs return is same as mine and I have been holding it since last year. thinking if I should just let it go
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QUOTE(dasecret @ Mar 9 2017, 02:09 PM)
Mine also same; but I think Msia allocatio high or not is relative. When everyone else here say Msia doom doom doom I continue to hold MY funds lor

So who else still have their MY EQ funds?
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me. I jumped back in after it recovered post trump bleeding. even went into buying selected stocks in Malaysia
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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Mar 9 2017, 07:40 PM)
My Portfolio as at 9 Mac 2017.

KGF, EA SC, Titan => all using EPF funds.

Was advised by the FSM analyst, no more topping up Msia funds.

Maybe can add CIMB Asia Pacific Income fund.

Can advise on my portfolio ?
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way too much on KGF bro. diversify further by topping up develop markets and Asia ex Japan
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post Mar 9 2017, 07:54 PM

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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Mar 9 2017, 07:48 PM)
I had made a topup on Titan few days ago.

was told to add Asia Pac Ex Japan - which one u all top up ? Ponzi 2 ? or Manulife Investment Pacific Fund

why not many mention abt this Manulife Investment Pacific Fund?
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for you Ponzi 1. 0 has already alot riding in Malaysia so Ponzi 2. 0 would be better suited for your port.

also for Manulife Investment Pacific fund you can key it in in the fund selector and compare with Ponzi 2.0 and come to a conclusion which is better
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QUOTE(killdavid @ Mar 10 2017, 10:32 AM)
Here is a very good and easy to digest article to help you understand how a meltdown could happen if the Feds rate hike send ripple to the financial system
Here
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well that's why they forget one thing. the federal government can start printing money which allows the bank to pay its debtors but it also causes a chain reaction that devalues the currency.

increase in rates.
decrease in currency exchange rates
people panic and start saving their cash.
no cash flow, the economy stalls.
in order to keep it moving a Goverment will have to print more money and borrow from the world Bank.

refresh and repeat the process.

the question investors should be asking. can you stomach the lost and continue on weathering the storm or are you going to cut your loses and keep your cash under your pillow?

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