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fpchong
post Mar 7 2018, 10:44 PM

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Guys, I don't understand how to make money in unit trust. Assuming 1 year ago the NAV price is RM0.60 and after 1 year it is RM0.62, the total return graph in FSM show a return of 7 %.

But my calculation show it is 3.3%.

Are we suppose to buy and hold , or buy and sell and buy ?

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post Mar 8 2018, 12:48 AM

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QUOTE(fpchong @ Mar 7 2018, 10:44 PM)
Guys, I don't understand how to make money in unit trust. Assuming 1 year ago the NAV price is RM0.60 and after 1 year it is RM0.62, the total return graph in FSM show a return of 7 %.

But my calculation show it is 3.3%.

Are we suppose to buy and hold , or buy and sell and buy ?
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that is because there is the effect of income distribution....
fund usually gives out periodic income distribution....in which the fund gives out extra units to the unit holders ....while they gives out the extra units, the fund NAV will also drop in relation to the value of the extra unit given out.

thus the fund NAV goes up and down.....
for unit trust....the fund NAVs is not a good performance measurement index chart to use.

This post has been edited by MUM: Mar 8 2018, 12:51 AM
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post Mar 8 2018, 08:29 AM

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Will someone kind enough to shed some lights what is going on with Manulife India Fund? NAV has been dropping like crazy.
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post Mar 8 2018, 08:46 AM

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QUOTE(iamoracle @ Mar 8 2018, 08:29 AM)
Will someone kind enough to shed some lights what is going on with Manulife India Fund? NAV has been dropping like crazy.
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i1899 did post some about india weeks ago....
try read
page 605 post 12100
page 606 post 12102, 12103

btw, the 3 yrs volatility % of manulife india is very high & also this is a single country focused fund
dropping a lot and going up a lot is quite normal ...I think

btw,.....in end Dec 2015 to mid Feb 2016 it dropped more than the current one

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post Mar 8 2018, 09:07 AM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Mar 7 2018, 06:35 PM)
Of all the possible answers that we can come up with, " I need money now " is the best answer when asked, when do I sell my UTF...

No, I am not trolling, I am serious. At other times, just put your money to work for you.

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QUOTE(xcxa23 @ Mar 7 2018, 08:36 PM)
most important answer imo,
may i ask if its suddenly/emergency case?

lock profit (miss many times to lock already)
i know the feeling.. was seeing 4 digit earning last few month and puff now 4 digit in red  biggrin.gif
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The money is working good for me for the past years. Is just that timing at the wrong side...

QUOTE(i1899 @ Mar 7 2018, 10:19 PM)
Personally, i think below reason is very weird reason for selling UT.

"I need money now"
- if u need BIG money NOW, u should know earlier, right? A better way is sell gradually since at least 6 months ago.
- And, don't use emergency fund/ saving for wedding/ house down-payment for investment, so that u not need to sell with loss when u need them.
- if u r a retiree, u just need to sell "a bit" every month for ur expenses, not ALL...
So, i need money now, then i sell ALL now, sounds no sense.
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Its for my education. I planned all already to gain as much as possible. Suddenly my uni close down the 6 month grace period for paying. Or else I will only pay last minute and the money in FSM can gain some petrol for me. Too bad, the uni so cruel... Pay them earlier they gain a lot and I gain nothing....
Managed port I wont touch. It hold 60% of the FSM port. My DIY port is small enough.

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post Mar 8 2018, 12:17 PM

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QUOTE(iamoracle @ Mar 8 2018, 08:29 AM)
Will someone kind enough to shed some lights what is going on with Manulife India Fund? NAV has been dropping like crazy.
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India will introduce a new tax regime for LTCG starting April2018 , which means the sale of the share will be taxed and people are getting out of the India market now (no tax).

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post Mar 8 2018, 12:18 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Mar 8 2018, 12:48 AM)
that is because there is the effect of income distribution....
fund usually gives out periodic income distribution....in which the fund gives out extra units to the unit holders ....while they gives out the extra units, the fund NAV will also drop in relation to the value of the extra unit given out.

thus the fund NAV goes up and down.....
for unit trust....the fund NAVs is not a good performance measurement index chart to use.
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Thanks MUM for the explanation. I always look at stock price and NAV price only to gauge performance smile.gif
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post Mar 8 2018, 01:01 PM

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QUOTE(fpchong @ Mar 8 2018, 12:18 PM)
Thanks MUM for the explanation. I always look at stock price and NAV price only to gauge performance smile.gif
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since a fund holds a basket of stocks and this basket of stocks & its prices will determine the NAV (ultimately)
so you will determine a fund is a better performance due to its lower NAV?
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post Mar 8 2018, 01:33 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Mar 8 2018, 01:01 PM)
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since a fund holds a basket of stocks and this basket of stocks & its prices will determine the NAV (ultimately)
so you will determine a fund is a better performance due to its lower NAV?
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I think he meant NAV * number of unit = Total Sum
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post Mar 8 2018, 02:10 PM

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QUOTE(fpchong @ Mar 8 2018, 12:17 PM)
India will introduce a new tax regime for LTCG starting April2018 , which means the sale of the share will be taxed and people are getting out of the India market now (no tax).
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Does the tax affect us? What do you guys plan to do with this fund, sell it before price drop further? or just wait it out?
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post Mar 8 2018, 02:20 PM

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Quantum, Japan & India really bangwall.gif

Been waiting for Quantum to rise back up and sell it, but seems like its going down even further. vmad.gif
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post Mar 8 2018, 02:40 PM

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QUOTE(Streetrat @ Mar 8 2018, 02:20 PM)
Quantum, Japan & India really  bangwall.gif

Been waiting for Quantum to rise back up and sell it, but seems like its going down even further. vmad.gif
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Your Japan is bad? My Japan is what's keeping my funds afloat. biggrin.gif
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post Mar 8 2018, 04:05 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 8 2018, 02:40 PM)
Your Japan is bad? My Japan is what's keeping my funds afloat. biggrin.gif
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what?
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post Mar 8 2018, 04:31 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 8 2018, 02:40 PM)
Your Japan is bad? My Japan is what's keeping my funds afloat. biggrin.gif
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United Japan Small and Mid Cap Fund
UJSMCJP:SP
YTD RETURN
-3.29%


United Japan Discovery Fund
UNIJPDH:MK
YTD RETURN
-2.58%


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post Mar 8 2018, 04:34 PM

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QUOTE(Streetrat @ Mar 8 2018, 02:20 PM)
Quantum, Japan & India really  bangwall.gif

Been waiting for Quantum to rise back up and sell it, but seems like its going down even further. vmad.gif
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gave up on quantum... ninja-ing it to kgf and china. might stay put in bonds for awhile since the market is being boiled now
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post Mar 8 2018, 04:44 PM

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Mar 8 2018, 09:07 AM)

Its for my education. I planned all already to gain as much as possible. Suddenly my uni close down the 6 month grace period for paying. Or else I will only pay last minute and the money in FSM can gain some petrol for me. Too bad, the uni so cruel... Pay them earlier they gain a lot and I gain nothing....
Managed port I wont touch. It hold 60% of the FSM port. My DIY port is small enough.
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Don't use "emergency fund" for risk investment like UT.
"Emergency fund" is expenses reserved for next 6 months, includes education fee, normal living expenses, renovation of house etc etc, in upcoming months .

Invest in stock/UT using money that u won't need for at least 2-3 years.
If that money can stay inside market for at least 1 full cycle (10 years) is the best lah.

Good luck and happy investing.





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post Mar 8 2018, 04:48 PM

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QUOTE(funnyface @ Mar 8 2018, 04:05 PM)
what?
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QUOTE(i1899 @ Mar 8 2018, 04:31 PM)
rclxub.gif

United Japan Small and Mid Cap Fund
UJSMCJP:SP
YTD RETURN
-3.29%
United Japan Discovery Fund
UNIJPDH:MK
YTD RETURN
-2.58%
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11%+ gain in less than year. biggrin.gif
United Japan small and medium fund.

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monsta2011
post Mar 8 2018, 06:36 PM

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Kenaga Growth.... feel like selling it before it eats up my gain in 2017 although my accumulated gain over the 5yrs + is 60%...


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post Mar 8 2018, 06:59 PM

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QUOTE(monsta2011 @ Mar 8 2018, 06:36 PM)
Kenaga Growth.... feel like selling it before it eats up my gain in 2017 although my accumulated gain over the 5yrs + is 60%...
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Yea man, kenanga performance has been disappointing as of late.
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post Mar 8 2018, 07:07 PM

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QUOTE(WhitE LighteR @ Mar 8 2018, 06:59 PM)
Yea man, kenanga performance has been disappointing as of late.
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hmm.gif I think if I am not mistaken....few months back, someone posted about the FM cautioned of the possible drag due to its fund size...
not sure if this is one of the factor....

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