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post Feb 27 2017, 02:35 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Feb 27 2017, 12:43 PM)
Already did. I'll be sure to drag my gf along
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Market is doing correction now :-

Nav for 24 Feb :-

CIMB-Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund Down -0.84
CIMB-Principal Global Titans Fund Down -0.78
CIMB-Principal Greater China Equity Fund Down -1.83

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post Feb 27 2017, 02:46 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Feb 27 2017, 12:12 PM)
OIC! OIC!

I have always wondered why there are people in the FSM thread who can afford or qualify to buy wholesale unit trust fund (qualify as accredited / sophisticated status) and yet still insist to play around at the kiddie pool. Now, at least I can understand in a small way reason for this.

But sahabat penjaga van, what if it is a closed ended fund that offers capital guaranteed return or fixed return fund like bonds closed ended fund leh? Would you change your mind?

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Sahabat Xuzen, I won't change my mind in the future even if the fund is capital guaranteed (sounds like an endowment policy but that's a story for another day).

I would rather have the chance to do DCA or VA or leap to another better horse within 5 years rather than being locked in.

QUOTE(puchongite @ Feb 27 2017, 12:17 PM)
Please share. What is the fund actually ? What caused it to tumbledown ?
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The fund in question is RHB Pre-IPO & Special Situation Fund 3. It was launched in November 2015. Currently at -2.98%.

I won't say that the fund has tumbled. I am looking at the opportunity cost. I could have invested in other unit trusts like KGF as suggested by Xuzen. Even the fixed deposit rate would have beaten it hands down.

The previous RHB Pre-IPO was giving about 20% return per annum (Note to self : Past performance is not indicative of future performance).

But RHB Pre-IPO still have 3 years plus to go. Hopefully it will pick up (Note to self : This time it will be different? Or it would not be different? The hope of a delusional investor?) sweat.gif

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Feb 27 2017, 02:42 PM)
Market is doing correction now :-

Nav for 24 Feb :-

CIMB-Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund  Down -0.84
CIMB-Principal Global Titans Fund    Down -0.78
CIMB-Principal Greater China Equity Fund  Down -1.83
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Wei, don't hit the panic button so soon.

"Asian stocks fell while gold and the yen were steady after three days of gains as investors grew cautious before speeches this week from Donald Trump and Janet Yellen." -- Bloomberg


Question, how long does it take for FSM to process distribution and add the reinvested units under our holding ?
Been one week already still no update.
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Feb 27 2017, 02:35 PM)
I kay poh chee a bit and "accidentally" click K****NG wor  laugh.gif
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lol wouldn't that screw up the poll already? 500 people vote but only 50 turn up.
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post Feb 27 2017, 02:51 PM

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QUOTE(killdavid @ Feb 27 2017, 02:47 PM)
Wei, don't hit the panic button so soon.

"Asian stocks fell while gold and the yen were steady after three days of gains as investors grew cautious before speeches this week from Donald Trump and Janet Yellen."  -- Bloomberg
Question, how long does it take for FSM to process distribution and add the reinvested units under our holding ?
Been one week already still no update.
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Damn. Better I convert some USD this week before both of them gave their speech.
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post Feb 27 2017, 02:52 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 27 2017, 02:51 PM)
Damn. Better I convert some USD this week before both of them gave their speech.
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gg when trump fails on materializing his promises and the us investors start pulling out their money from the markets
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Feb 27 2017, 02:48 PM)
lol wouldn't that screw up the poll already? 500 people vote but only 50 turn up.
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50 people turn up ? That's already a successful event !
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Feb 27 2017, 02:52 PM)
gg when trump fails on materializing his promises and the us investors start pulling out their money from the markets
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I don't think he will fail. If he fail in giving speech, the USD/US stocks wouldn't have rally so much since he gave his victory speech.

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post Feb 27 2017, 03:09 PM

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Feb 27 2017, 02:46 PM)
Sahabat Xuzen, I won't change my mind in the future even if the fund is capital guaranteed (sounds like an endowment policy but that's a story for another day).

I would rather have the chance to do DCA or VA or leap to another better horse within 5 years rather than being locked in.
The fund in question is RHB Pre-IPO & Special Situation Fund 3. It was launched in November 2015. Currently at -2.98%.

I won't say that the fund has tumbled. I am looking at the opportunity cost. I could have invested in other unit trusts like KGF as suggested by Xuzen. Even the fixed deposit rate would have beaten it hands down.

The previous RHB Pre-IPO was giving about 20% return per annum (Note to self : Past performance is not indicative of future performance).

But RHB Pre-IPO still have 3 years plus to go. Hopefully it will pick up (Note to self : This time it will be different? Or it would not be different? The hope of a delusional investor?)  sweat.gif
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Ah! Closed ended fund with lock in period negate one's option to perform the "Pony Express™ strategy". Got it! thumbsup.gif

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post Feb 27 2017, 03:44 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Feb 26 2017, 12:33 PM)
If you do recall, these products where is deemed wholsesale fund or fund open only to "sophisticated / accreditated" investors comes with certain T&C. Among them, the targeted participant must have MYR 3M in networth and / or household combined earning of MYR400K p.a..

For these qualified participants, it is assume that they have the financial capacity to withstand these flucuation and liquidity risk.

Whenn one sees these products from a retail perspective; that is why you start to think like this and like that such as; about DCA lar, about risk lar etc.

Interested participants should comprehend that these wholesale products are not targeting retail participants.

As such, come friend ... lai lai... let's play together-gether at the kiddie pool. Kiddie pool is nice, is safe and yet one can still enjoy the nice cool water.

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Thanks boss. Obviously on this thread what you say bear a lot more weight than what I say. Been trying to say this so many times and yet get replies like "but the initial investment only RM10k", or "FSM doesn't check or ask for income or networth proof"

How do you protect retail investors from banging wall on their own? sweat.gif
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QUOTE(dasecret @ Feb 27 2017, 03:44 PM)
Thanks boss. Obviously on this thread what you say bear a lot more weight than what I say. Been trying to say this so many times and yet get replies like "but the initial investment only RM10k", or "FSM doesn't check or ask for income or networth proof"

How do you protect retail investors from banging wall on their own?  sweat.gif
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Pain is the best teacher and must read first before buying.

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post Feb 27 2017, 04:11 PM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Feb 27 2017, 03:44 PM)
Thanks boss. Obviously on this thread what you say bear a lot more weight than what I say. Been trying to say this so many times and yet get replies like "but the initial investment only RM10k", or "FSM doesn't check or ask for income or networth proof"

How do you protect retail investors from banging wall on their own?  sweat.gif
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Jokes aside good sister, I think forum participants will be more vigilant about these wholesale fund when those who have been aggrieved by it come forward and share their stories for educational / academic purpose.

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post Feb 27 2017, 04:14 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 27 2017, 03:51 PM)
Pain is the best teacher and must read first before buying.
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Obviously there are still many shades in the sea of wholesale funds.

One might be comfortable with initial investment of 10k, but he might not be comfortable with initial investment of 100k.

And one might be comfortable with minimum holding period of 6 months, but he might not be comfortable with a 5 year lock-in.

For that matter, within the retail funds, already there is a big sea of different funds.

One size simply does not fit all.


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post Feb 27 2017, 04:22 PM

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Feb 27 2017, 02:46 PM)
The fund in question is RHB Pre-IPO & Special Situation Fund 3. It was launched in November 2015. Currently at -2.98%.

I won't say that the fund has tumbled. I am looking at the opportunity cost. I could have invested in other unit trusts like KGF as suggested by Xuzen. Even the fixed deposit rate would have beaten it hands down.

The previous RHB Pre-IPO was giving about 20% return per annum (Note to self : Past performance is not indicative of future performance).

But RHB Pre-IPO still have 3 years plus to go. Hopefully it will pick up (Note to self : This time it will be different? Or it would not be different? The hope of a delusional investor?)  sweat.gif
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Sahabat Penjaga Van,

Do not be disheartened. I, too, have attended the prelaunch seminar for the fund stated by you, organized by RHB. Let me recap some of the salient / selling points to you.

Do take note that these private equity funds behave very differently from your regular run of the mill index hugging collective investment scheme aka unit trust or mutual fund.

How is it different?

If you do recall from their presentation before, the benefit of these fund is that they are very poorly correlated with other index and their targeted return is around 15% annualized return. These type of funds need some incubation period and the main return will come towards the end, when their assets comes into maturity, that is, the seed company that the fund manager selected goes for IPO. That is when you see your gain coming in.

In the mean time, stay put, continue to grumble and scold the fund manager, if that helps you release steam....

Beginning is bitter; end is sweet.

Xuzen

p/s a 15% annualized return will turn the MYR 100K into MYR 201,136.00 in five years time. drool.gif drool.gif drool.gif Hold till it mature.

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post Feb 27 2017, 04:37 PM

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Fundsupermart void my contract fund because of NRIC unusable..
What is that means of NRIC Unusable?

This is my 1st time issue happen for EPF...
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post Feb 27 2017, 04:40 PM

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---- deleted ---- bad joke! I know... sorry.

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Feb 27 2017, 04:22 PM)
Sahabat Penjaga Van,

Do not be disheartened. I, too, have attended the prelaunch seminar for the fund stated by you, organized by RHB. Let me recap some of the salient / selling points to you.
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p/s a 15% annualized return will turn the MYR 100K into MYR 201,136.00 in five years time.  drool.gif  drool.gif  drool.gif Hold till it mature.
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Hi Xuzen, thank you for your encouraging words.

I still have much to learn in terms of keeping my ego and greed in place.
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post Feb 27 2017, 05:33 PM

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QUOTE(akurinduko @ Feb 27 2017, 04:37 PM)
Fundsupermart void my contract fund because of NRIC unusable..
What is that means of NRIC Unusable?

This is my 1st time issue happen for EPF...
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did you key in your full name as the same as your ic? the only problem I can see is the documentation on your side
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Feb 27 2017, 05:33 PM)
did you key in your full name as the same as your ic? the only problem I can see is the documentation on your side
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They provide my feedback because of my face image is not clear from KWSP staff comment. sad.gif

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