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Ramjade
post Mar 29 2018, 05:51 PM

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QUOTE(Brandis @ Mar 29 2018, 05:24 PM)
Hi. I'm new to UT and FSM. Just activated my account and saw there's a FSM managed portfolio based on my risk assessment. Since I'm still new and not sure which fund to buy, would you all think is it a good idea to buy portfolio managed by FSM? Minimum investment is Rm10k compared to individual fund which is RM1k
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Learn about asset and risk allocation and up u should be fine. That managed port basically buy 10+ funds. Do you really need until 10+ funds? Ideally 4-5 should be enough.
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post Mar 29 2018, 09:43 PM

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QUOTE(alexanderclz @ Mar 29 2018, 09:07 PM)
opportunity to topup more for PRS, still havent reach rm3000 for this year.
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Same here. But I think market rebounded already. sad.gif
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post Mar 31 2018, 11:03 AM

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QUOTE(WhitE LighteR @ Mar 31 2018, 08:33 AM)
I think I should finish your sentence.... 'cut loss and keep in FD instead"
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Correction. Cut loss and keep in amanah saham fixed price fund.
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post Apr 3 2018, 08:42 AM

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Apr 3 2018, 07:56 AM)
I know UT is for long term. for my view is that. we have no idea how long this bear is going on and how deep it can go. let say if one top up last month, in which the first correction, by now he lost at least 5 or 6%? of his money include the SC.

now you say recover from 3 weeks to 120 weeks. if really that bad around 100 weeks to recover to an extend of 2%, thus it's +8%, one will earn more if he enter to FI. at least FI give 3 to 4 per year. 

in this 2 years the money you invest can do much more better in other investment instead to awaiting it to recover.

maybe you guys will say can't use stock strategy to invest UT which is very true, but if one move most from EQ to FI during high volatility period like now, he already earn alot in term of preventing the profit previously earn being wipe off partially.

well maybe it just me that every penny count.
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Of course you can use the same strategy. Never forget that UT is holding a basket of stocks. So how it works is also how stocks work. Do you want to continue pumping in money when market is at all time high?

I know I don't. Hence I don't buy UT. Whatever I have just let it run.
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post Apr 3 2018, 11:27 PM

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QUOTE(Tham @ Apr 3 2018, 11:04 PM)
Basically, I am not saying the PRS is "bad", as this other guy has misinterpreted.

What I am trying to point out is, since the government was trying to encourage youngsters to save elsewhere in addition to the EPF, why did they just hand them a portfolio of unit trusts for them to manage, which is a totally unsuitable medium for savings, moreover complex and risky, as you have also analyzed  ?

What they should have started was some kind of other provident or saving fund with a basic annual interest,  dividend or incentive, like that of the EPF.

As one PRS member here has also agree, he finds It
too risky and speculative, something he does not have
the skill and experience to manage, being far too easy to
make losses.

I was at the EPF branch at Shah Alam two weeks ago
talking to one of their advisors.

The EPF has their own Members' Investment Scheme,
unit trusts, an option for members to draw out their savings
to invest in.

The advisor said that even he does not go for this - preferring to self-contribute to the EPF, because unit
trusts are risky.
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UT is actually much easier than stock. You just need to learn how to pick good funds.
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post Apr 4 2018, 10:12 PM

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QUOTE(alexanderclz @ Apr 4 2018, 09:01 PM)
continue to topup prs cimb?
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Getting my ammo ready. Finally can put rotting cash to work. Hope it drop another 10%
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post Apr 4 2018, 10:51 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Apr 4 2018, 10:17 PM)
if you are referring to Ponzi 2.0 PRS....it just dropped 6% from previous high
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A 20% drop will be a nice and sweet spot for me to start deploy cash.
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post Apr 5 2018, 08:24 AM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Apr 5 2018, 08:11 AM)
thus don't start Getting your ammo ready now. Finally you can still afford to wait to put your rotting cash to work. wait till it drops another 10% than plan....for now is just about 8% biggrin.gif

modified word form.... blush.gif
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20% is the ideal part. But to wait until 20% is like Ince every 10 years. See every drop occurs only occurs about 1% then rebounded. Shows that the bull is still very much alive.

QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Apr 5 2018, 08:19 AM)
15% pot shots
30% grenade launchers
60% nukem
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Agreed with this.biggrin.gif

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post Apr 5 2018, 08:40 AM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Apr 5 2018, 08:32 AM)
US markets closed higher than previous close - even with CH hitting back harder yesterday.. sigh..
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No discount shopping for me sad.gif
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post Apr 7 2018, 10:31 AM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Apr 7 2018, 10:29 AM)
hmm.gif that is why and how some people got more money than others for retirement
may not be,...I have seen from the past few weeks, some times it does not correlated...but most of the times it does.
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This time is big sell down. 500+ points. But drop is still too small. Let it drop more. drool.gif drool.gif

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post Apr 7 2018, 10:51 AM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Apr 7 2018, 10:43 AM)
This is NOT the 1st time this year
That's happened seven times so far this year -- three up, and four down, including 2 Apr Monday's 2.2% decline and 6 Apr Friday's 2.34%
http://money.cnn.com/2018/04/03/investing/...lity/index.html
yes,....but should not tell
"Better pull out.
Put ASW.
At least you get some dividend"

unless you know that person heart can't take it, .......especially in this UTs threads....
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That's true. If only it drop and drop and drop and don't rebound so fast sad.gif

He's entitled to state that as it does make sense. Put in amanah saham to wait out the volatility.
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post Apr 7 2018, 11:30 AM

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QUOTE(ehwee @ Apr 7 2018, 11:20 AM)
Why everybody thinking of cutting off lost, the foundation of world economy still ok, the trade war is still not confirmed yet, both China and US just voice out yet no real action taking on now.

If trade war happen it might only drag down the world growth, yet I believe the world economy will still on positive side this year

May be we should just hold our current ut investment as is it and see how this trade war goes, temporary now just save more bullets and put our extra cash in fd or asw
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If it can drop a further 20%, and right now it only drop say 5%, do you want to pull out now or take a - 20% hit? Better to take a - 5% hit, and pump back the money when the drop become -20%.

Main investors are actually chicken. Anything they will panic and sell off everything. Those are the speculator which cannot afford losses


QUOTE(rapple @ Apr 7 2018, 11:20 AM)
I presume is the fixed price amanah saham fund and I thought those fund is paying dividend once a year only.

So if the market were to rebound 3 months later, correct me if i'm wrong those amanah saham fund has no interest right? And if he want to invest in UT again, he has to pay the SC again. I don't see any gain here but definitely a realized loss rather than just paper loss.

Cheers.
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If you have all 3 funds, you get paid 3x/year. So if say the world stock market yo-yo back and forth (drop, rebound, drop rebound) and your net return is 0% after a year due to the yo-yo movement, if one put in amanah saham, one already get 6% vs 0% returns. Something is better than nothing.

Yes you get paid once a year but returns is calculated on a monthly basis and given to you in one lump sum at the end of the fund financial year.
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post Apr 7 2018, 11:50 AM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Apr 7 2018, 11:46 AM)
I think he meant,...if after putting in ASW for 3 months, then mkts goes hot, take out from ASW then into UT again .....
does ASW gives out dividend for that 3 mths in prorate ?...6% pa by 1 quater yr = 6/4 = 1.5%?
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If you play following their rules with the min amount used for calculation of returns then yes theoretically one gets 0.5%/month.
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post Apr 12 2018, 08:39 AM

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QUOTE(55665566 @ Apr 12 2018, 08:37 AM)
can fsm my buy sg stock and vice versa?
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Cannot. But FSM SG can. Whether they want to charge platform fees later on is another questions. Right now they mentioned that they are waiving the platform fees.
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post Apr 12 2018, 01:26 PM

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QUOTE(55665566 @ Apr 12 2018, 01:16 PM)
so fsm sg can also buy malaysia stock? cool
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Using SG brokers to buy Malaysian stocks is nonsense as you will be charged RM60/transaction vs RM8 (by using a Malaysian broker).

No don't think FSM SG can buy Malaysian stock.
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post Apr 12 2018, 01:38 PM

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QUOTE(55665566 @ Apr 12 2018, 01:31 PM)
so in the end, fsm my can buy malaysian stock only.
fsm sg can buy sg stock only.

very troublesome le like that, have to create both accs
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FSM my cannot buy malaysian stock.
All Malaysian broker can let you buy SG stock but pay more commission + dividend fees + maintenance fee. See whether you want to pay or not. biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

This is wrong place to talk about stock broker. This is FSM MY thread to talk about UT.
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post Apr 16 2018, 09:21 PM

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QUOTE(kenny79 @ Apr 16 2018, 09:16 PM)
for a fund its easy to down 10% rather then 20 % ... dont speak like previous 2008 - 1998//...since human will be smart to prevent .. like the apple cop already ready 400b for standby for any crisis happned... so dont be hope tragedy 1998,2008 will happend easy again ...
plus now the market being join in a giant again CHINA the second largest enconomic scoicty in the world behind the USA
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Never say never. Anything can happen when those chicken headed investors panic.
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post Apr 16 2018, 10:46 PM

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QUOTE(kenny79 @ Apr 16 2018, 10:41 PM)
if the chicken panic sell off .. we can buy i low nav  drool.gif  drool.gif  drool.gif
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That's why never say never. Possibility is there. biggrin.gif Think US financial crisis averted? Is just delay. By lowering interest rates to almost zero, it encourages people to take up loan. Now with interest rates going up, those cheap loans are now looking a little pricey. biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

Feds should have just shake the banks/companies with weak balance sheet and allow the strong to live.
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post Apr 23 2018, 01:52 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Apr 21 2018, 10:13 AM)
I wish to add to this complete this quote, " ... and the best time to sell is when you need the money. "

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I don't think that's a very wise move. Why? If you sell anytime, does that mean you should sell in deep bear market and lock in your losses?
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post Apr 24 2018, 03:18 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Apr 24 2018, 02:48 PM)
doh.gif at times i just don't know if i should  rclxm9.gif  or  ranting.gif

in Feb the mkts nose dived due to fear of Fed yield up.

The Dow flip-flopped in a dramatic roller-coaster ride from plus 300 points to a closing loss of 166 points, as the 10-year yield rose to 2.95 percent, a fresh four-year high
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/21/rising-bond...tock-rally.html

now in Apr...U.S. BOND YIELDS: The yield on the 10-year Treasury note drew close to 3 percent on Monday, a milestone it has not reached since January 2014. It touched 2.98 percent ...

Asian shares advance as US bond yields push dollar higher

https://sg.finance.yahoo.com/news/asian-sha...-063306733.html

shocking.gif same situation (yield up) but 2 opposite reports of outcomes.....

in Feb,..some mentioned the yield goes up, cost of borrowing will be higher, businesses will be bad.....
in Apr,....those reason given in Feb is not there anymore?
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3% is the mark. If it don't hit 3%, most likely he'll won't break lose.

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