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SSJBen
post Apr 4 2022, 03:16 PM

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QUOTE(yimingwuzere @ Apr 4 2022, 02:40 PM)
Secondary PC with a 3700X died. Sent it for warranty claim, was told it was OOS. They gave me options to pick either a 5600X or to top up RM300 for a 5800X.

Should I top up or go down to 6 cores? This setup only has a Wraith Prism for cooling, so not sure if going to 8 is worthwhile without tweaking power usage with Hydra/CO etc.
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Obviously 5800x is the better choice since it's only RM300 extra.

But the issue with the single chiplet Zen 3s is that it gets stupidly hot. Your wraith prism will not be enough to handle it without running at constant 100% fanspeed and with PBO disabled, which kinda defeats the purpose of the 5800x gaming prowess to begin with.

So if you're going for the 5800x, do pick up a better cooler to go with it.
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post Apr 4 2022, 09:30 PM

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QUOTE(yimingwuzere @ Apr 4 2022, 04:17 PM)
Yeah makes a lot of sense for me. Guess I'll go 5800X then. I can probably just use Hydra and CO/PPT/EDC/TDC to tweak its power usage.
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OTOH the 5700x just launched for RM1.3k, maybe you can get that for a 1:1 exchange? Would be a better choice than the 5800x IMO.
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post Apr 20 2022, 03:23 PM

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Dotatech "accidentally" sold a 5950x for RM2.2k few days ago on Shopee. Whoever copped it, good freaking steal.
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post Apr 20 2022, 05:38 PM

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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Apr 20 2022, 04:41 PM)
Haiz, I ran into problem again on my system just under a year.

My PC shut off and restart randomly during normal operation.
The blackout is fast one, just a second before it alive, but it won't boot with Qcode 00 (not used code!!!) and QLED stuck at DRAM, and system not response to power button long press either. Have to kill the AC switch, then it will boot normally.
It will even reboot sometimes in BIOS setup page.

Try swap my RAM, still happen.
PBO disable, not fix.
Even run at optimised default also reboot.

I suspect now is due to either CPU or mobo, with highest suspicious on CPU.

Can you guys suggest a sensible way to further test out whether is CPU or mobo? I'm frustrating now as i just recover from a nightmare failure on my previous system before i switch to AMD platform, and the seemingly HW issue haunt me again.

I just want to avoid buy something new just to isolate the factor, but i won't know exactly the issue if i didn't do so, contradict, arggg
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If you've ascertain it's nothing to do within the OS, then it's hardware.

You've ruled out RAM, fine. What about the RAM slots? Since you said you swapped RAM and it still happens, it COULD be due to faulty RAM slots. Yes it sounds very unlikely and silly why something you don't touch would fail, but it does happen.

The other thing to check is PSU, yes as unlikely as that sounds - PSUs can cause random reboots. I've certainly ran into a few random reboots due to a failing PSU.

Of course worst case scenario is the CPU, which hopefully isn't the case.
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post Apr 20 2022, 07:07 PM

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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Apr 20 2022, 05:52 PM)
The problem can be consistenty reproduced when doing system memory stress in AIDA64, which lead me to believe is RAM issue, but swap with different pair of RAM didn't solve it. Your point is valid, i'm currently stress it under single channel and let see what's the outcome. My RAM only can run in the current slot if run in pairs, run in another dual slot won't boot due to the design.

As for the PSU, even if it failed, the system should have boot normally when power resume rather than stuck. The thing is, even the long press power button shutdown is not work when it stuck, i have no idea why and i believe this is an important crue as well. The system simply locked unless AC killed.
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Does it random reboot if you do any other benchmarks?

I mentioned RAM slots because back on my Intel systems (Haswell based, Z87), one of my RAM slots became faulty out of no where eventhough the RAM I was running weren't OC'd nor running out of spec. The system still works and will boot normally as long as I NEVER cold boot it via switching off the PSU switch. Otherwise the system will go into random reboots or just simply fail to POST. Switching the RAM sticks to a different slot fixed that problem.

PSU is a little more complicated. The ATX 24 pin has a pin that reports the power sequence between motherboard and PSU, sometimes this can bug out due to abnormalities in the PSU and/or the mobo which causes the system to lock up because neither the mobo nor PSU can "communicate" anymore.

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post Apr 21 2022, 01:16 AM

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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Apr 21 2022, 01:13 AM)
nrwSSJBenllk

I think i found the problem already, which hint by the Asus sound card.
The sound card would required external supply from Molex 4 pins and will prompt if is not.

So somehow after the reboot the prompt appear, i'm like impossible because that 4 pin Molex is very tight.
This trigger me potentially is a PSU issue.

So i fire up the stress test again, and monitor the voltage level from both Corsair link and HWinfo64. The Corsair link reported 12V and 5V is extremely stable even under 600W+, what surprise me is the mobo reading in HWinfo64 shown only 11.56V and 4.65V from both rails.
Immediately i open the casing and measure the 4 pin molex at sound card using digital multimeter, the 5V is measured around 1.8V and 12V rail at 11.78V. Once i slightly pull and push the connector, the 5V rail now measure around 4.96V.

Without changing to spare PSU, i guess it could be due to either loose or oxidised contact on both the mobo and PSU end. So what i did was unplug all the cable connectors on both end and replug it for 3-4 times try to let the contact friction scratch away oxidation layer if any.
BINGO, after done all the multiple unplug/replug work, the 12V and 5V reported by mobo during stress test now become 11.98V and 4.96V, and no more shutdown/stuck reboot issue almost 2 hours now.

I think the problem is the contact resistance increase due to pin oxidation, at both PSU and mobo/GC end, especially PSU end which i don't really unplug since i built the rig few years ago, causing excessive voltage drop when high current pass-through. This is why something you don't touch would fail like what SSJBen mentioned. icon_rolleyes.gif

Lesson learnt, occasionally touch it even is unnecessary. laugh.gif  tongue.gif
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Glad it all worked out for you.

Sometimes the most unlikely part to fail is exactly the part that fails.
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post May 17 2022, 04:44 PM

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Buying Zen 3 on AM4 platform for new now is for pan7 people.

For current Zen1/+ and Zen 2 users want to upgrade, still good idea to get a drop in CPU upgrade to Zen 3.
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post May 22 2022, 11:57 PM

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QUOTE(antaras @ May 22 2022, 02:28 PM)
Currently have X570 mobo + R5 3600 + 16GB ram.

Working with Adobe Photoshop/Illustrator and occasionally Premier/After Effects.

Am feeling the proc "could" be a lil better. Am not really sure which/what to upgrade first for best bang for buck upgrade at the moment.

Or is sticking with AMD still the right way forward.
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Zen 3 (CPU whatever your budget is) + AGESA 1.2.0.3c, OC your IF and RAM to 1800/3600mhz.

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post Jun 2 2022, 01:27 PM

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Zen 3 5000 series B2 stepping are now much better than B0 and launch day Zen 3 models which were riddled with bugs. AGESA is also in a much better place than what it was in compared to Zen 3 launch. 1.2.0.3c if you're on Win10 and 1.2.0.7 if you're on Win11, these 2 work extremely well on the said OS.

Honestly now is a pretty good time to get Zen 3 if you already have an AM4 board preferably X470/B450 minimum, X370 while it works is still a little flaky.
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post Jun 4 2022, 09:28 PM

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5800x3D is pretty difficult to get a la carte. Even if you get it, still costs more than a 5900x which is bonkers.

Other than that, 5800x3D is a mighty hot CPU as well.
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post Jun 12 2022, 12:44 AM

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QUOTE(hihi @ Jun 11 2022, 07:01 PM)
Changed to 5900x, so far satisfy with the performance. Same programs open and cpu utilisation only 50%.
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5900x becomes quite a beast if you're willing to push the FCLK to 1900mhz (assuming yours can hit that, otherwise even 1800mhz is great), tighten RAM timings and optimize the cores with curve optimizer.

There's quite a bit of unlockable performance from the CPU.

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post Jun 15 2022, 03:31 PM

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QUOTE(John Chaser @ Jun 15 2022, 10:56 AM)
Is it okay to pair 5800X3D with air cooler like Dark Rock Pro 4 or must use AIO water cooler?
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DRP4 is good enough. Doesn't stop the CPU from shooting to 80c for short periods of time even in gaming loads though, even if you use a 360 AIO.
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post Jun 15 2022, 06:33 PM

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PBO2 + CO is indeed key to low temps, not just for 5800x3D but for Zen 3 in general.
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post Aug 30 2022, 06:23 PM

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Wow wasn't expecting that $100 price drop for the 7950x ($699 vs $799 on the 5950x). If they announce a 7950X3D in the future to fill the $799 price point, ooh that would so tempting to pick up.

Great that AMD also avoided the mistake of selling an eventual "7800x" for $449 from day 1 unlike what they did with the 5800x. They went with a 7700x for $399 instead, which is the magic price target for most core PC gamers.

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QUOTE(TristanX @ Aug 30 2022, 07:50 PM)
I'll check for complaints first. More than 1 year of Zen 3 is enough for me.
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I mean yeah, for sure gonna wait it out. Fingers crossed AMD learnt from some of their mistakes with AM4.
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QUOTE(xxboxx @ Aug 30 2022, 10:40 PM)
I wait till my neck long for 5700x last time.

$399 is $100 more than 5700x launch price, this price is competing with 12700k but whether it can perform better or not.
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Ah yes you're right. I forgot the 5700x even existed since it launched so late. In that context then the pricing structure is kinda a bummer.

In the event, Lisa Su was boasting the 7600x beats a 12900k in gaming.... blowing water or not, we'll see in a month's time.
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post Sep 2 2022, 02:53 PM

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QUOTE(targon @ Sep 2 2022, 10:23 AM)
Not just X670E, but the normal X670 too.

In some ways is good because the board does a more thorough check and memory training than the current x570 does. But I can see why it may be alarming as some users would think that their board isn't POSTing and then do a manual hard reset by turning off the PSU switch.

EDIT - seems like it's an AsRock only issue, which will be fixed on a new day 1 release BIOS - https://twitter.com/9550pro/status/1565398904820371456

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QUOTE(bahjan_2000 @ Sep 3 2022, 10:03 AM)
Ergh kinda tempting to get the 5800X selling cheap in Aliexpress, at 600+. Yea no warranty and stuff, but the last 2600 I bought (which my friend also bought) still works fine. As long as it comes in 1 piece with no bent pins etc..

Not sure if my current cooler can cool it though..
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Single CCD Zens are hot AF. Absolutely need a decent cooler or you're not even going to hit the advertised boost nevermind PBO.
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post Sep 19 2022, 03:14 PM

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QUOTE(lolzcalvin @ Sep 19 2022, 03:09 AM)
exactly why I highlighted AM5. I didn't have a smooth experience on AM4 compared to LGA1151.
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Not like LGA1200 has been smooth sailing either. Both platforms has issues.


QUOTE(bahjan_2000 @ Sep 19 2022, 03:04 PM)
Yea and when looking at benches, there's really a marginal benefit considering my use of light gaming and general work/browsing etc, anyway. But that.. unexplainable itch of upgrading..
I understand some people had horrendous experience with AM4, like all those USB issues - but I started with 2600, then bought a 1200 cheap for my son's build, then upgraded to 5600 - pretty much no major issues, actually. Also build a few PCs for close friends and family - all seems fine.
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AM4 will be sticking around for awhile, don't have to hurry with the upgrade. Wait for the release of AM5, see if that brings down AM4 prices and then decide after that.
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QUOTE(S4PH @ Sep 23 2022, 12:49 AM)
I just want 5800X3d to drop in price. Will it happen ?
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MYR5 = USD1 soon. What price drop you dreaming about? laugh.gif

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