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SSJBen
post Aug 25 2021, 03:31 PM

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QUOTE(Mavik @ Aug 25 2021, 03:15 PM)
Thanks appreciate it. Whilst FPS matters to me because I tend to play a bit more competitively (just by nature), it is mostly for 1440p. Right now, I can't get a stable 144FPS (currently averaging around 110-125FPS at 1440p) whilst compared to my friend with the 5600x CPU and the 3080 GPU, he gets about 150-160 FPS (with exactly the same settings and 1440p monitor). Personally, I feel that just because of the CPU that I am missing out and was thinking of initially just swapping out the CPU. Haven't made the decision yet to do it as due to work commitments, I don't have the time to play FPS games at the moment.
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Then just cap the game to 117fps, set monitor refresh rate to 120hz and call it a day?
141fps @ 144hz is really not a whole lot different to 117fps @ 120hz, despite what marketing and armchair believers will tell you.

Sure you're theoretically "wasting" your 3080Ti, but if it makes you feel any better - I really only play tekken 7, a 6 year old game that could run on a toaster and it's locked to 60fps at 1440p. There, I'm wasting my 3080 more than you're wasting your 3080Ti.

Otherwise just run at a higher resolution using DSR if you feel you need to put your GPU to use.

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post Sep 11 2021, 07:34 PM

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QUOTE(riku2replica @ Sep 11 2021, 03:44 PM)
Anyone with Ryzen 3000 series suffers from whea error code 18, black screen bsod reboot?
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Not for me.

But this issue was somewhat common with the 3800x and also the 5800x. This is down to faulty chiplet, probably the bottom of the barrel silicon that barely pass for 8 cores but still gets binned for production.
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post Oct 7 2021, 11:52 AM

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Oof Win 11 perf with Zen 2/3 is very noticeably bad. Most issues stem from workload not being properly spread to multiple cores, there are instances where even if a single core is already running at above 90% process, the OS will still send more work to that core despite others being idle. MS said they were going to make W11 a true multi-core focused OS, but so far it's doing a poorer job than Win10 and even Win8 lol.

Lucky I'm not migrating to Win 11 full time.
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post Oct 7 2021, 01:59 PM

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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Oct 7 2021, 01:20 PM)
To be honest user anticipating Win10 -> Win11 is only mainly on UI overhaul and unchanged/slightly improve multicore efficiency, not expecting they fix something that are not broken. Poor Microsoft. I sceptical whether this win11 is same as Vista and 8 which can be skipped totally.
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No. The feature I like most about W11 on launch is auto HDR and the proper usage of WCG. That works as expected and it's a good feature.

I think W11 has the potential of being a good OS though.


QUOTE(EBBattlefield @ Oct 7 2021, 01:23 PM)
dont have to go that far.

older items like printers released in 2015 already bugged by Windows 10.
I have a HP 4700 printer.
It was fine when using windows 7 and 10 (early on).
Then Windows 10 "updated" the drivers for me, somehow deleting the function to print colour shakehead.gif
had to download the oldest version of the driver I could find online and reinstall to get the feature back.
give it some time and Windows 10 will overwrite the proper drivers with the "updated" ones again  doh.gif
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I'm talking about performance regression, not driver issues. So far everything hardware wise in terms of driver has worked on W11 like it did on W10.
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post Oct 11 2021, 02:46 PM

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QUOTE(iZuDeeN @ Oct 11 2021, 10:15 AM)
this might be the reason my game perf so bad ..

i thought because i enabled reBAR.. likely its because Win11
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Experimented a bit more over the weekend, the OS is not being allocating processes to free cores even on something as simple as Excel crunching and code compiling on Python. This is happening on both my 3900x and 5900x machines, very repeatable issue also.

Found another big bug too - HAGS (hardware accelerated GPU scheduling) will peg the GPU at 100% load if using gamestream with Nvidia devices like the Shield. If using Plex/Kodi to watch movies, same issue could happen to 4k movies with HDR tonemapping enabled. Very stupid bug.

Conclusion = Win11 can eat a dick for now.
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post Oct 27 2021, 04:18 PM

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Actually don't have high hopes for their 3D v-cache either. Zen 3 is complicated enough as is, just tacking on massive amounts of L3 isn't going to alleviate the problems it already has. This is just a stop gap for AMD so they can have something to compete with ADL (eventhough it's a futile attempt) so that they have a buffer before launching Zen 4.
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post Nov 11 2021, 03:27 PM

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QUOTE(yimingwuzere @ Nov 11 2021, 01:56 PM)
Probably enough to claw back the lead in some gaming benchmarks (some titles benefit a lot from memory latency and show huge benefits on Samsung B-die with low timings or specialty CPUs with high cache like Intel's Broadwell quadcores), no improvement in other tools. Might be harder to cool too.
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It's made for people who are on Zen 2 who has a good X570 board, good b-die DDR4s and not wanting to wait until Zen 4 releases in Q4 2022 because FOMO.

Honestly, it's a pointless release just like Coffee Lake Refresh was.
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post Nov 11 2021, 04:15 PM

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QUOTE(yimingwuzere @ Nov 11 2021, 03:58 PM)
Coffee Lake Refresh has 2 extra cores, RKL added PCIE4 and AVX-512 for those niche users who wanted it.

Zen 2 XT was just Zen 2 with better bins.
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It's practically still Skylake lol. There was no need for Coffee Lake and Coffee Lake refresh to even exist, they could have just gone straight to Comet Lake but Intel was LCLY at the time.

Yes Zen 2 XT was also a pointless release, even more so when it went AWOL just 2 months after launch.
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post Nov 12 2021, 07:51 PM

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QUOTE(yimingwuzere @ Nov 11 2021, 10:10 PM)
If Intel wasn't too ambitious with their 10nm process with their failed experiments on cobalt etc:

Q4 2017 - Cannon Lake instead of Coffee Lake
2018 - Ice Lake desktop instead of Rocket Lake 2.5 years later
2019 - Tiger Lake
2020 - Tiger Lake shrunk to Intel 7nm
2021 - Alder Lake on Intel 7nm, not "Intel 7" that's actually their 10nm process

To what extent is the issue due to their old CEO and not their fab chiefs? I don't know.
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Previous CEO was a clown.

Current CEO is actually an engineer first, business man second. He was one of the key pillars that led Intel to dominance with Conroe after the joke that was Pentium D.

Intel hobbled down the stairs after Haswell actually. Remember Broadwell? Oh wait, it barely existed. They were lucky AMD was a shit show at the time, otherwise Devil's Canyon would have been Intel's downfall instead of having leeway until Skylake.
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post Nov 15 2021, 02:15 PM

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Yup, glad I kept my 3900x and 5900x. Mining with them to fund for Raptor Lake and Lovelace.
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post Nov 18 2021, 02:22 PM

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5900x and 5950x are still being sold at scalper prices anyway, no difference whether people buy it up or not for mining.

RTM mining is very nice on Zen 2 and 3 I must say though. ~70c no AC room with 3.5 - 4k h/s average using AVX workload.
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post Feb 22 2022, 04:23 PM

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QUOTE(greyshadow @ Feb 22 2022, 09:43 AM)
so mobo could be the culprit then? hmm.gif
but I was farming Raptoreum with CPUminer, hence it's always at 100% tongue.gif

I'll try reapply the TIM tonight, I also suspect could be too little TIM as I was applying just bare minimum, left only a bit of Kyronaut from previous rig tongue.gif
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CPUMiner is trash. Use XMRig instead.

My 5900x and 3900x only hitting 75c max mining RTM, both only equipped with a NH-D15s. Don't even need 360mm AIO.
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post Feb 28 2022, 04:27 PM

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QUOTE(Ronin_Amin @ Feb 27 2022, 12:31 PM)
Hi. Noticed my Ryzen 7 3700x idle temp is around 60+ and while load is around 70+. Is this normal temp or should I do something to lower it?? Not overclocked and using default cooler.
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For a stock cooler those temps are normal.

Yes you can always spend for a bigger air cooler, go for AIO or go custom loop. The lower the temps for Zen 2/3, the faster it performs.
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post Feb 28 2022, 11:52 PM

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QUOTE(Ronin_Amin @ Feb 28 2022, 10:15 PM)
What about changing thermal paste after 4 years already now. Would that give me any significant decreases in temperature?
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Yes, absolutely change the thermal paste if you're going to change the cooler. It's conventional wisdom not to re-use thermal paste.

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I suggest to use thermal paste that are not susceptible to "pump-out" effect, so higher viscosity paste like Gelid GC-Extreme instead of the typical low viscosity Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut.

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post Mar 1 2022, 06:21 PM

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QUOTE(Ronin_Amin @ Mar 1 2022, 05:54 PM)
What if I don't plan on changing the cooler? Is it still advisable to change thermal paste or just leave it alone?
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Generally it is wise to change thermal paste after 1 or 2 years of usage. Thermal paste may have been "pumped out" towards the edges of the CPU IHS, leaving not very much in the middle which is where the chiplet and IOD is.
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post Mar 15 2022, 11:24 PM

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USB disconnectivity pun not yet fix despite lying about it for nearly a year, now want to launch 7 new CPUs with new BIOS.

Lmao AMD.
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post Mar 24 2022, 05:33 PM

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QUOTE(John Chaser @ Mar 24 2022, 03:43 PM)
Anyone here have issues with the USB C ports on x570 or B450 boards? Like IO errors or frequent reconnect/ disconnect issues?
This happens on both my Asrock B450M and Dark Hero X570. When I use the USB A ports no issues.
I recently purchased one of the front panel USB ports, and even there the USB C ports misbehave. Using the USB A ports shows no issues.
Do these USB C ports have special drivers or motherborad drivers?

EDIT: I've tested with 3 different USB C to USB C cables. 50cm, 1M, and 2M cables. Tested on my Galaxy Note 8 and MI A1.
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USB disconnects and AMD is synonymous with one another. I can guarantee disconnects also happen on the USB A ports, just that you haven't run into it yet.

Nothing much you can do other than updating your BIOS and hoping it fixes itself. AGESA 1.2.0.1 Patch A was the alleged USB fix, which AMD lied about IMO.

I had no USB drop outs with AGESA 1.0.0.1 (which was when the USB issues were reported, eventhough it existed long before this) until I tested an iFi Zen DAC v2. Had to update to AGESA 1.2.0.3 Patch C (BIOS 3801) in order to eliminate the issue (hopefully, so far it's been good for a week now).

Motherboard I'm running is Crosshair Hero VIII, which runs on the same BIOS as the Dark Hero. So try out 3801, it's working good so far for me.
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post Mar 24 2022, 06:56 PM

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QUOTE(John Chaser @ Mar 24 2022, 06:08 PM)
I'm on 3801 as well. I only recently found out that Asus forces TPM on now starting from 3801(TPM or Discrete, no off). Recently I  started noticing stutters when playing YouTube videos or audio playback via Foobar or via VLC. But it's so random, like in a week probably once. So far i haven't noticed it when I'm playing games.
I'll just hold for the May bios fix.
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I have fTPM enabled because I'm also using W11, no stutters here for me in any apps or games.

AGESA 1.2.0.7 is supposedly to be the last major "clean up" BIOS release. I'm willing to bet all my 10 BTC it won't be. whistling.gif

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post Mar 30 2022, 04:11 PM

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I do also agree that USB disconnection can be related with cable issue.

All the DACs I'm currently testing at the moment (Topping DX3, FiiO K9 Pro, JDS Labs Element 3 and iFi Zen Dac v2) all stopped having USB disconnections after I switched my old ugreen USB-B 3.0 cable to a new Vention USB-B 3.0 cable.

So while AGESA does have something to do with USB disconnecting, the USB cable is also another culprit to look into.
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post Mar 30 2022, 04:53 PM

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QUOTE(John Chaser @ Mar 30 2022, 04:44 PM)
Dang, I use alot of UGREEN cables. So far their USB A to C connectors work fine. Only Port C.
Guess I'll need to get my hands other brands then.
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I don't know if it's exactly to do with ugreen cables being specifically the issue or not.
But personally from my own anecdotal experience, ugreen cables has always failed me in one way or another.

Had several USB A to micro USB 3m cables, all of them failed within a year. Yes I know micro USB is a bitch to begin with due to the shitty head design, so I'll dismiss that as a connector flaw.

Had a ugreen active HDMI fiber optic cable, 15m in length supposedly rated for 2.0. Had audio drop outs within 3 months, video drop outs after 8 months and failed after that with a short out. Thank goodness it didn't take out the HDMI port on my 3080 or my receiver, would be pissed AF.

Also still have several USB C and B ugreen cables of varying lengths between 1m and 2m, they've all started to exhibit disconnectivity issues.

Only cables that so far hasn't have any issues are the CAT6, CAT7 and passive HDMI 2.0 cables from ugreen.

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