Oooh a mono 5800x would have been very interesting.
I think 5950x highest reported issues is also due to it being the highest sold SKU for Zen 3.
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Oooh a mono 5800x would have been very interesting.
I think 5950x highest reported issues is also due to it being the highest sold SKU for Zen 3. This post has been edited by SSJBen: Jan 23 2021, 08:38 PM |
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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Jan 23 2021, 08:38 PM) True, those with 2 CCDs seems to report lotta problem while users with single CCD rarely reports any issue. Single CCD has issues with heat. Rarely see 5800x user not complain about temps. cstkl1 liked this post
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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Jan 23 2021, 08:45 PM) Ah yes, heat issue. Yeah so far my 5900x only has cold boot issue, temps are more or less the same as previous 3900x. Not great but wouldn't say it's terrible either.Meanwhile dual CCDs mostly has PCIE4.0 issue, audio crackling/pop, random reboot, cold boot issue, WHEA error, USB random disconnection. Then there is an issue with weak cores within 16 cores. Found several users reporting their 5950x/5900x has few weak cores that error-ed the system into blue screen on default idle voltage. They are only able to fix it by using curve optimizer functionality to specifically feed more voltage into the weaker cores on idle. The weak CCD has been a thing since Zen 2 though, it's surprising to me that with the so called refinement and rearrangement of the cores within the chiplets on Zen 3 they haven't managed to fix this. I remember people on OCN were saying it was better to buy a 3800x over a 3900x because the former would more likely to be binned for better silicon as it's the highest end version of the single chiplet on their Zen 2 line up. |
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There is also another aspect to be put into perspective. A lot of Zen 2 and 3 owners, many of them were upgrading from Sandy Bridge/Ivy Bridge era. So the perf jump that they are experiencing has already skewed their perception into how large of a jump it has been, thus creating the AMD love. cstkl1 liked this post
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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Jan 24 2021, 11:03 PM) I jumped from an Ivybridge 4770K system and from a broadwell macbook pro and the ryzen's temp gave me a shock 4770k is hasbin aka haswell, not ivy bridge. I too upgraded from hasbin and temps was shocking with Zen 2 as well. I actually spent months solving the average use(such as browsing) temp issues that goes to 50-60C, going through a few coolers, bios, fan mods, case mods and settings to ultimately give up altogether... end up settling with a 120mm aio with a very silent fan spinning at a minimum of 1500RPM so the temp stays below 50C For my use case, the perf upgrade was pretty significant. My previous 4670k was being bottlenecked by a mere 1070ti lmao. The 4 cores were sooooo slow in my handbrake tasks too, especially with the advent of 4k movies couple of years ago. |
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Agree. Hope Rocket Lake does well too so I have a reason to go back to Intel as well.
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QUOTE(xxboxx @ Jan 25 2021, 01:35 AM) Does Rocket Lake need to do well only will go back to Intel? It matters to me.If you like the brand then it shouldn't matter what's the performance like. If performance what's matter then doesn't matter what brand it is. If want the performance but doesn't want the brand, I don't think possible. I'm brand agnostic, I go where value is. When I got into Zen 2, the choice was between 3900x and 9900ks. I was about to purchase 9900ks but there was 2 things that didn't quite sing well with me; the fact that the 9900ks at the time was basically paying for 4 year old tech with Intel's lansi face on it (the i9 quite frankly didn't need to exist, they did so to purposely nerf the 9700k to have no HT) and that the 3900x setup was actually cheaper. I got the 3900x at 1.8k and CH8 mobo at 1.4k - it was 2019 12.12 sale that tipped me over to AMD. This post has been edited by SSJBen: Jan 25 2021, 01:38 PM yimingwuzere and edmund_yung liked this post
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QUOTE(xxboxx @ Jan 25 2021, 03:39 PM) Yes that HT tax was one of the things that puzzled me. There was no reason for it, especially when they were starting to lose value already.IMO, the entire line of Coffee Lake didn't even need to exist to begin with. They released it because they couldn't get Comet Lake ready in time, so they knee jerk the release of Coffee Lake instead. Comet Lake should have been Coffee Lake is what I'm saying. On hindsight, Zen 2 would have been a pointless release if Comet Lake took the place of Coffee Lake thinking back. |
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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Jan 26 2021, 03:23 AM) i kinda able to narrow down the crashing of my amd and it seems to be a memory related issue which is related to my audio playback and USB DAC. Interesting, does the issue still occur if you use a lower mem speed?Finally for once an error managed to popup from my audio player right before the pc crashes and it stated something about bad pool caller which point to my audioplayer’s directory... which is no surprise because i buffer my playlist into my ram to reduce disk io along with asio as playback output which already been giving problems from the begining. Guess it was a combination of ryzen’s shitty memory architecture and usb interface and the lack of legacy code support that is the cause of the random crashes... which kinda explains that there are no problems under long stress tests because i never turn on the music during the tests. Never had this issue when i was using intel since core2duo to a bootcamp win10 macbook pro retina... problem only started with this ryzen. I guess at the meantime I will have to heavily compromise by refrain from using ASIO and decreasing the file buffer size to see if it still crashes.... and then it’s goodbye AMD on the next upgrade. Also, did you try with WASAPI output as well? |
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Ooft got my first Event 41 today, first time since AGESA 1.1.9.0 launched.
The weird thing is that my system didn't restart nor did it BSOD. It almost seems like a false positive, but it's odd that event viewer reported it. Scratching my head now in why this error even popped up. |
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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Jan 26 2021, 08:56 PM) I was playing COD cold war when it happened. There was no sudden drop in framerate nor did the game crash. I just decided to check event viewer now and the error is reported there.This post has been edited by SSJBen: Jan 26 2021, 09:06 PM |
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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Jan 27 2021, 04:27 AM) Cod. Warzone is crazy on “stability” I haven't played Warzone since CW launched, but when I did play it there wasn't any stability issues. Prior to playing CW, I was completing SotR. Played through all 20 hours of it, was flawless on 4k120 VRR.Coldwar because of dlss/rtx reduces this but Have u noticed how “rt” or “dlss” type games seem to behave like javascript?? Really the only major change I've did to the system was running at 2000mhz FCLK since AGESA 1190. That's the only thing I can think of that caused the event 41 error, but that doesn't explain why my system didn't auto restart either. Dafuq??? This post has been edited by SSJBen: Jan 27 2021, 02:05 PM cstkl1 liked this post
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Think I found the issue, but I'm not sure.
So I got another Event 41 today and this time, the time stamp is exactly at the time Windows booted. Coincidentally, there is another system error (Event 29) which has the exact same time stamp as Event 41 error, this error is related to fast boot. Fast boot is causing an issue? Very odd. All the years of using Intel, never once it happened. EDIT - So basically it seems that everytime I boot up the PC, it's actually restarting so quickly that I don't even notice it restarting. This might explain why despite the Event 41 error is being logged, but it isn't impacting my usage of the PC when I'm actually using it. EDIT 2 - Disabled hibernation, powercfg -h off and disabled Fast Boot in BIOS. Let's see how that goes. This post has been edited by SSJBen: Jan 27 2021, 11:01 PM |
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The majority of the time, 1.0.0.3 ABBA is the most stable AGESA for Zen 2 in addition to the best overall performance for PBO and also mem OC. In some cases (like Bonchi), 1.0.0.2 may be better. To be frank anything after 1003 ABBA was really bad for Zen 2. Mind blowing that AMD instead of progressing forward, they regressed lmao. Bonchi liked this post
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QUOTE(senzr @ Jan 28 2021, 11:30 AM) I'm on a R5 3600 + B550, and I've also been noticing more frequent WHEA. Taking your lead, I checked Event Viewer and also discovered a bunch of Event 41 critical errors whenever I had WHEA. Welp, first start up today - no Event 41 nor Event 29 errors. This is after turning off hybrid mode hybernation and setting powercfg -h off.My fast start-up settings are off, so that's not the issue for me. But I did some digging, and remembered I updated my mobo bios not long ago to version F11 (B550 Aorus Pro AC), and for some reason, it was removed from the official bios download page. Then I found this: https://www.reddit.com/r/gigabytegaming/com...os_f11_missing/ https://www.reddit.com/r/gigabytegaming/com...s_pro_f11_bios/ Quoted from thread: "There is a reason. F11 BIOS was generating WHEA errors in Event Manager in Windows if you were using RAM running at 3600 MHz. This caused instability for some people. Any slower RAM speed was fine." "I still haven't been able to run my RAM at 3600MHz via its XMP profile without intermittently logging WHEA event 19 errors in Windows 10 and the equivalent errors in Linux, which occur seemingly at random." I also remembered that I'm running my Trident Z Neo RAM at 3600mhz via manual overclock instead of XMP, because enabling XMP would cause crashing. So it seems like a combination of Gigabyte 500 series mobo on F11 (or F31 on X570) with G.Skill Trident Z Neo RAM running at 3600mhz has been documented to cause crashes and random WHEA. The Gigabyte B550 Aorus Pro AC bios page has been updated with bios version F13a as of 27/1, which updates to AGESA ComboV2 1.2.0.0. I'm gonna cross my fingers and update to this bios and see what happens. My RAM remains at 3800mhz, I can boot up with 2000mhz but it's ultimately unstable outside of e-peen benchmarks. This is with AGESA 1.2.0.0, but it's also still in beta for the Asus CH8 which I'm using. |
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QUOTE(xxboxx @ Jan 28 2021, 09:01 PM) I check back, for Zen 3 also AMD didn't guarantee or safe bet can achieve 4000mhz 1:1. 3600mhz still the best bet. Well to be fair, officially 3200mhz has always been the promised speed. Anything higher is OCing.https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-5000-zen-3-c...-agesa-support/ The problem is their marketing, specifically that Robert Hallock clown. He went and indirectly promised 2000mhz 1:1 IF, eventhough it's almost impossible. He said: QUOTE DDR4-4000. 2000MHz fclk is to the Ryzen 5000 Series what 1900MHz fclk was to the Ryzen 3000 Series. Many samples can do it, but not all. In upcoming AGESAs, we will be implementing additional tuning that will make reaching 2000MHz easier. This is not a guarantee. There is no “safe bet” that your CPU will reach this frequecy. But don’t be surprised to see a bunch of people bringing that magical 2000MHz fclk home with DDR4-4000. If he didn't said that last sentence, they wouldn't have gotten as much flack as they have had. https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-robert-hall...w-functionality |
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QUOTE(yimingwuzere @ Jan 29 2021, 02:02 PM) He never specified. Just vaguely said "upcoming AGESAs". Notice the plural form there, lmao that could be anything from launch Zen 3 BIOS until the last Zen 3 BIOS before moving to Zen 4. So he covered his own ass there. |
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I feel that tRCDWR is too low at 8, I think it shouldn't go below 14 to be frank. You can also lax that tCWL to 16. May also want to increase CCD and IOD voltage to 1.0. I think VSOC is ok at 1.025, but IME 1.05 is needed to achieve max stability without causing that once in a blue moon WHEA error. yimingwuzere liked this post
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Haven't played too much with CTR 2.0, but so far... I don't know, I'm mixed about it. Using it means disabling PBO but you potentially get better all-core OC. To me, I'm using the PC for both work and play, so while I do like the all core OC, I do miss the single/dual core PBO.
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