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post Aug 3 2020, 11:53 PM

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QUOTE(Maxieos @ Aug 3 2020, 11:40 PM)
I have a few question on amd Ryzen.Budget build.
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1. There's no need for dual BIOS, certain boards like ASUS have a BIOS recovery mode (Crashfree BIOS 3) that allows you to reflash a BIOS when the main BIOS is corrupted icon_idea.gif

2. Zen 3 will work on B450/B550/X470/X570 boards, all you need is a BIOS update from the motherboard manufacturer (most major ones will provide this in the future) icon_idea.gif
B550 allows you to utilize PCIe Gen4, and often comes with higher quality VRMs for higher TDP CPUs icon_idea.gif

3. Again, that depend on the budget. If your application utilizes multiple threads (like video encoding or rendering) then it makes sense to go for a 3700X, otherwise the 3600 will work just fine too. You can even upgrade it to a faster chip if the board VRMs allow you to do so icon_idea.gif

4. IIMN, Kingston KVR 3200s have a CAS latency of 22, which is quite loose, so I'd probably would recommend going with a slightly slower but tighter timed RAM kits, like 3000CL16 (ideally for the best bang per buck, you should go for 3200CL16) icon_idea.gif

See RAM speed scaling of Ryzen 3000 CPUs here:
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-zen-...enchmark/2.html

5. I can't test it as my GPU usage is 100% whenever it is decoding 8K video sweat.gif

6. I'm using a Hyper 212 EVO, which is carried over from my old build tongue.gif

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QUOTE(Dothan @ Aug 4 2020, 01:42 PM)
Bolt X 3200
Yeah, the actual speed at 1.2v is 2666. Enabling DOCP will jack up 1.35V as default and speed would go up 3200. I had tried Ryzen Master to clock it at 3333 now.

Processor: 3700X
My mobo: ASRock B450M steel legend
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What RAM die does this RAM use? Hynix? hmm.gif
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post Aug 4 2020, 01:46 PM

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QUOTE(1024kbps @ Aug 4 2020, 12:25 AM)
8K video with VP9  will depends on decoder.
its hard to say and the software decoder is not really optimize as much as gpu accelerated decoder, GPU always win in decoding speed, but if the video was not encoded according to the spec, gpu decoder will not work and performance will suffer.
google does not want to pay the royalties to MPEG LA, hence they're pushing their own format, aka VP9 and the up coming AVI, instead of using the h264 and h265.

imagine all the video on youtube are converted to h265 aaand you have to pay billion to MPEG LA? naaah  sweat.gif

H265 are supported in older GPU date back to Vega64 iirc. VP9 require new gpu.
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I think you meant AV1 laugh.gif
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post Aug 4 2020, 02:39 PM

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QUOTE(TristanX @ Aug 4 2020, 02:37 PM)
Multiple EFI partitions also could break it. You have to select the correct Windows Boot Manager from the BIOS.

For your reference, you can only have one EFI partition if you plan to reinstall Windows. Two or more EFI partitions will cause Window Setup unable to install.
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This is why you should disconnect all drives other than the boot drive first before installing Windows icon_idea.gif
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post Aug 5 2020, 04:01 PM

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QUOTE(Maxieos @ Aug 5 2020, 06:11 AM)
Thanks , extra question
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1. There's no need to worry about this, as you can easily mitigate this by using a UPS if you are afraid of sudden power cuts during a BIOS flash icon_idea.gif

2. Zen 4 CPUs will no longer use the AM4 socket, instead it will use a new, tentatively named AM5 socket, along with DDR5 memory icon_idea.gif

3. For most users (I myself encodes videos as well), a 3600 should do the trick, but if you want faster performance, there's always NVENC or GPU encoding which can be faster than software/CPU based encoding icon_idea.gif

4. I don't recommend single channel memory as this will hold back the CPU performance quite a bit; always go for a 2x16GB stick if you want 32GB. Avoid doing the 1x16GB then add another 16GB sticker later method as the current RAM you bought may no longer available in the market, or has been replaced with a different model, or has different specifications icon_idea.gif

5. I don't watch 8K videos so I cannot speak for this icon_idea.gif

6. Yes, and you can get an AM4 bracket for the Hyper 212 EVO by messaging Cooler Master Malaysia Facebook page icon_idea.gif
On idle, I'm averaging 50-ish degrees, but I'm not sure about the load temps as I don't monitor them icon_idea.gif

7. No, starting from first gen Ryzen - Windows 10 is the only supported version on Windows (unless you are talking about Linux as well). There's really no point of going back to an unsupported and unpatched system unless you want security vulnerabilities tongue.gif

Even if you can install 7, there are things like drivers will not work on it (I myself actually used 7 on my current build at some point as I needed to backup my data before migrating to 10, only to find out a lot of features like USB ports simply won't work on 7) icon_idea.gif
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post Aug 7 2020, 11:24 AM

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QUOTE(Maxieos @ Aug 6 2020, 11:44 PM)
1. So buying any BIOS without a recovery button is still fine.It not able UPS , sometimes , bios will get corrupted if pc is infected with virus on UEFI.So it's the best to have a 2nd BIOS .I will check for which budget motherboard that have it.

2. If in the case , getting a cheaper motherboard socket like B450 is much cost much less than B550.It'll be around 2021 0r 2022 for AM5 , not sure maybe 10 cores?  any news leak about it ?

3. When converting , whether a NVENC gen 6  still costly for turing card 2k series.SO any example video bunny encoding ? you are using 3600 , can tell on how is the performance when converting some video maybe 1080p mp4 vp9 to 1080p hevc 265 without lossing quality or maybe 1-5% is acceptable. Soon av1 in future.

4. What does different model ? using same brand but maybe in future will upgrade to the same model but surely will have a different dies but since i didn't OC do you think is better to get both at the same time ? but i do not need much too much ram 16GB is enough currently.

5. I too do not watch but just wanted to confirm whether 3600 can run 8k youtube build in graphic chipset am4.

6. Maybe find Hyper 212 EVO but what is the fan speed rpm and noise level ? actually what fan Hyper 212 EVO is using if it's silent ?

7. Windows 7 enterprise still support until 2023 if I remember , and there are custom patch for security release.So software only works with windows 7 and windows 10 sometimes is too troublesome with everytime updates takes time , no offline updates for user who only use slow internet smyx speed.

Not sure about USB port , are all usb 3 support backwards to 2.0 ? If not , try to find a motherboard which support USB 2.0 or a pci 2.0 card for usb 2.0 or ps/2 port motherboard or even slimslip 3.0 driver into windows 7 but need to dig which driver compatible.

Thanks I get most of the answer , now just need to research for 3600 vs 3700x speed on converting , suitable motherboard and ram.Hope price will drop at 9.9 or 11.11 promotion + voucher.
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If anyone can test check , lets say download https://peach.blender.org/download/  and convert it to something other format or quality , how long it would take ?
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For additional information...

1. It's very unlikely that the UEFI will get infected by malware (yes UEFI malware exists, but very rare). This is not the 1990s/2000s anymore tongue.gif

2. No new leaks for AM5 for now, the only news so far is that AM5 platform will use DDR5 memory icon_idea.gif

3. Can't test this as I'm on a 5700 XT tongue.gif

4. Yup, it's better to get the same stick of RAM at the same time icon_idea.gif

5. The 3600 has no integrated graphics, but I did test 8K60 and while my CPU stayed under 10% usage, my GPU usage is pretty much maxed out (although to be fair that's more or less a limitation of GPU hardware itself) icon_idea.gif

6. I'm using this model, so you can do your own research icon_idea.gif
https://www.coolermaster.com/catalog/cooler.../hyper-212x-eu/

7. Windows 7 (along with Enterprise variants) is no longer supported since January 2020, and if you want your machine to be less updated often there's always the option of deferring updates, or even the LTSC version if you can find one icon_idea.gif

No point going for an unpatched OS unless it's disconnected from the network IMHO. About apps that only work on Windows 7, there's always the route of VirtualBox (although I highly doubt a program for Windows 7 will not work on Windows 10) icon_idea.gif

Also the drivers available are only Windows 10 compatible, so that means you have to mod the drivers to work (may cause stability issues) icon_idea.gif

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QUOTE(terradrive @ Aug 30 2020, 08:03 PM)
I can understand alot of good B550 boards now, but year some B550 boards costs like rm1600?  doh.gif
You can get good X570 boards for rm900-1200...
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Certain boards, like the B550 Aorus Master has the same VRM configuration as their X570 counterparts so that's why it's expensive icon_idea.gif

B550 is meant to be a replacement for both B450 and X470 tongue.gif
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QUOTE(climacool @ Sep 3 2020, 10:34 PM)
I plan to upgrade my mobo from B450 to B550...
Any brand and model of B550 motherboard to recommend? Budget below rm1k (I guess mid range board)

Tq sifu sekalian
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RM1K allows to get a very nice X570... the X570 Tomahawk WiFi icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(TristanX @ Sep 22 2020, 08:41 PM)
My Gigabyte X570 Aorus Master is rock stable with latest BIOS. UI is still very slow when you turn CSM off.
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Mine is rock stable too; albeit I found out a quirk on my machine:

My display will remain blank until I reach Windows (likely due to UEFI/CSM settings) laugh.gif
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QUOTE(red-queen @ Oct 2 2020, 11:37 PM)
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sucky ass bronze proc as expected  bangwall.gif  bangwall.gif  bangwall.gif  bangwall.gif
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For some reason running the CTR diagnostic test resulted in a hard system lockup sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Cold|Drawn @ Oct 9 2020, 12:46 AM)
depending on your purpose and of course, budget.
thing about AMD is.... up till now, even the Ryzen 5 2600 is still being recommended.
So, it's not that bad getting a Zen2 CPU, unless you need the extra IPC from Zen3.

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or the single core boost speed (most likely for fps chase if you game)
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The nice thing is that you can basically start with a Zen+ CPU with a decent B450 board and you can easily move to a Zen 3 chip with nothing more than a BIOS upgrade and a CPU swap, unlike Intel brows.gif
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QUOTE(TristanX @ Oct 9 2020, 12:34 AM)
19% IPC uplift and higher boost clocks. Looks like Intel in trouble.

5950X - USD 799
5900X - USD 549
5800X - USD 449
5600X - USD 299
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That 5600X pricing though sweat.gif

The 5950X looks interesting considering the fact that the 3950X already obliterated a 10980XE in most tasks, except gaming. The lower TDP mean it should work reasonably well on a midrange B550 board hmm.gif

Yup, Zen 3 pretty much destroyed Intel's last bastion - gaming supremacy laugh.gif
If Zen 3 is that powerful on a mainstream platform, I can't really imagine how a Zen 3 powered Threadripper perform sweat.gif
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QUOTE(targon @ Oct 9 2020, 01:06 AM)
I believe most users would not mind paying for what AMD is charging for its new cpus
Much more modern cpu design and platform support than intel can provide.
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Also, you almost forget the fact that decent AMD boards tend to cost less than an equivalently specced Intel board, and you get better features like PCIe 4.0 icon_idea.gif

This should offset the cost of the CPU quite a bit tongue.gif

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QUOTE(TristanX @ Oct 9 2020, 01:08 AM)
Some number crunching

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All that improvement and no increase in TDP already kinda tells you just how crazy efficient AMD's Zen architecture is icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(Cold|Drawn @ Oct 9 2020, 01:09 AM)
this.

seriously, AMD is comfortable enough to challenge 10900K on stage.
sorry RDNA2, imma still go with AMD cpu + nvidia card though.
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Well, we'll see how RDNA2 will perform then - seems like Lisa is quite confident on RDNA2 tongue.gif

Also it seems like AMD is very tight-lipped about RDNA2 hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Cold|Drawn @ Oct 9 2020, 01:15 AM)
if you think about it...
once the benchmark releases for 5000 series.

AMD has already cornered the budget market share
now it's trying to force intel out at the top range as well

ohhh. well played.

and yeah, that's why the new CPUs aren't cheap, because they don't have to. Lower TDP, 8 core CCX...
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Yup, this is why I really hope Intel can get their head out of the sand and actually compete with Zen 3 head on icon_idea.gif

They can first start with allowing memory overclocking on H410 and B460 boards (no more removing features and upselling them) tongue.gif
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QUOTE(TristanX @ Oct 9 2020, 01:15 AM)
Yeah, looks like best "value" is 5900X.

Now we gotta wait for the press for more numbers.
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Also, I wonder what will happen to the pricing of Zen 2 CPUs hmm.gif

Zen 2 is still a very competitive gaming CPU, and depending on the board you can easily move to a Zen 3 CPU if it gets cheap tongue.gif
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QUOTE(TristanX @ Oct 9 2020, 09:15 AM)
When you put Z490 into equation, nope. Cheapest good VRM board is MSI Z490-A Pro at RM729. Tuning for H410 and B460 boards are locked. Intel dropped CPU but raised Z490 prices.

For AMD, Asrock B550M Pro4 is RM465, Asus TUF B550M-Plus is RM639. Asus refreshing B450 boards as well.
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To make things even worse they single handedly rendered their entire locked CPU range completely irrelevant due to H410 and B460 boards are not capable of memory tuning sweat.gif

A decent B550 board like the TUF you've mentioned will have no problem running a 5950X tongue.gif
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QUOTE(terradrive @ Oct 9 2020, 10:25 AM)
5900x monster CPU but RM2650-2700 is  cry.gif
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Again, no competition from Intel so that's why they can charge whatever prices they want tongue.gif

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