Thanks for the information.. Guess I'll be switching over to Petronas Syntium for my next oil change.

Honda City Gm2 year 2009
Current Odo : 121,181
Date: 22/02/2020
Blotter time : 11:00am (picture after 44hrs)
oil age : 11,933km
Engine oil used :Shell Helix HX8 X 5w30

Got my oil change after finished the blotter spot test.
current oil was Amsoil Signature 5w30
will update the oil after 3000km

This post has been edited by 90Boyz: Feb 24 2020, 10:17 AM

Hi 90Boyz,

Thanks for sharing .

There is no sign of fuel dilution problem , as seen from the absence of outermost translucent zone/annulus .

There is also absence of darkened centre zone (of about 8 mm diameter) and absence of perimeter zone (of about 10 mm outer diameter OD) ,which are good news, probably due to a very low level of combustion contaminants and still-high performance levels of detergency and dispersancy of the used oils .

The very slight grayish and light colour of the Diffusion zone indicates very low level of dirt/contaminants after 11,933 km usage , with very high level of residual detergency/dispersancy capabilities of the used oil .

I would speculate the internal cleanliness of this 2009 Honda City engine is very clean and /or this HX8 5W30 is performing in top shape/form ,or both .

IMHO, this 11,933 km used oil is still serviceable and fit for continuing service .

Yes, I'm aware you'd replace the oil with Amsoil which is another good (but expensive) engine oil .

Thanks bro Zeng for the details
wanted to try on Amsoil for quite some times with alot of review in website nor with the youtube channel.
so far initial impression was very smooth and quiet engine for now.
let's see how it goes along the way

Amsoil Signature 5W30 has a substantial and high amount of Molybdenum and Boron additives .
That probably helps with the bold above .

zeng

Can I know if you are able to tell how will a new oil perform by watching blotter test before it's even used in the engine?

I bought a mobil 1 esp 5w30 from shoppee seller name 88autogarage, but the oil is so much different from original oil in terms of color, viscosity feeling, and smell. I put them side by side for for 24 hours to check if it is due to original oil is old and oxodized. The stink smell of the oil from shopper seller seems reduce a bit after 24 hrs but I will keep there for monitoring purpose.

When asking the shopper seller, he says the oil from Europe so different batch would have different and suggest me to do lab test.

Hi,
Sorry, I'm incapable to tell its performance from virgin oil blotter spot which is form of qualitative test .

However this Long Life oil has super duper specifications and OEM approvals in VW 50400 50700 MB 229.52 ACEA C3 etc , if genuine .

The approvals carry with it OEM approved oil change interval up to 30,000 km in respective OEM applications .

https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbth...-507-oil#UNREAD

This post has been edited by zeng: Mar 20 2020, 01:15 PM

Yo, mr zeng.
Toyota Vios 2008 2nd gen (dugong)
Current odo: 160,125 km
Date: 20/3/20
Blotter time: after ard 50 hours
Oil age: 1,020 km
Engine oil: shell helix ultra 5w40



This post has been edited by tanalvis: Mar 20 2020, 06:38 PM

Hi mate,

There is absence of darkened centre zone (typically of about 8-9 mm diameter) and darkened perimeter ring surrounding it , which is good news in itself .

The diffusion zone is very lightly gray indicating very low levels of combustion contaminants/dirt within the used oil .

It also indicates high capacity in detergency/dispersancy properties .

However, the translucent outermost zone indicates there is sign of duel dilution which requires monitoring in this 1020 km used oil .

Anyway this Helix Ultra 5W40 has very high specs in MB 229.5 VW 50200 50500 A3B4 and it has plenty of life to go on in your Vios , IMHO .

hmm, when should i do another blotter?
was gonna change to syntium 5000 5W-30 in next 5,000km due to increase FC. drop by ard 2km per litre (will further monitor mileage). [syntium 5000 ACEA C3, MB 229.31 VW50501]
if the dilution continue during 4000 or 5000km, what should i do?

Assuming you are a beginner in oil blotter spot test, you may do tests at intervals of say 2,000 km to 'see' and learn the process of oil being 'damaged' or 'condemned' for further use .

Finally depending on your comfortable oil change intervals of 5000 or 8000 or 12000 or 15000 km , do another test say 1000 km before intended mileage giving yourself another evaluation seeking further opinion and most importantly, a bit of time to plan your next oil change date .

IMO, 5000 km oil change interval for a Helix Ultra 5W40 A3B4 or Syntium 5000 C3 5W30 is a bit too short for the Vios .

For folks who are comfortable with 5000 -8000 km oil change intervals, why not consider any mineral non-semisyn 15W40/10W30 gasoline or diesel engine oils . This position is based on my readings on various Used Oil Analyses so far .

Fuel consumption increases with Ultra 5W40 ?

I don't thick Syntium 5W30 C3 would help much IMHO if perceptible .

Why not consider upping your tyre pressure to minimum 36 psi as permitted by tyre manufacturers for better fuel economy ?

Just my 2 sen .

Edit: On fuel dilution problem, don't worry about it in your context of generally short oil change interval as it is rather academic than practicality IMO.

This post has been edited by zeng: Mar 22 2020, 10:53 AM

Edit: Arranged in a proper sequence, out of a complete article from Jan-Feb 2019 edition of Machinery Lubrication magazine .

This post has been edited by zeng: Apr 11 2020, 10:41 AM

I just bought this Petronas Syntium 3000 SE Fully Synthetic oil to try out.

Plan to change it when I am free. Hope this is good stuff.

According to this 2016 data sheet :



This SE has a TBN of 7.2 .

Based on its claimed SN spec, it is a bit low'ish . But ....................

Could it be a ACEA C2 mid-SaPS oil ?

This post has been edited by zeng: May 2 2020, 02:09 PM

I duno wor.. Just want to test this engine oil out.

Out of curiosity, I weigh and compared the engine oil bottle with it's content.

Nissan 5W30 Fully Synthetic bought @ RM125; vs
Petronas Syntium 3000 SE 5W30 Fully Syntetic bought @ RM145.

The difference in weight is quite obvious with the Petronas oil weighs about 800gram - 1kg more. Could it be more additives are added into the Petronas oil?

800 - 1000 grams difference ? That's very surprising for a 4 Litre pack IMO .
SN/SM additive package in itself is very basic compared to ACEA A5B5 or A3B4 specs .
However this Petronas 5W30 carry no ACEA specs, though all its EU counterparts carries ACEA .

0.8-1.0 kg difference is very significant.
Even after taking into consideration the difference of oil density and actual volume, the biggest difference I could calculate is 0.3-0.4 kg. Another factor is bottle weight, but still can't make up the gap.

Hi.. Im just wondering anyone of you used mobil 1 5w50 before? Will it be too heavy for a 9years altis 2.0L?

Yes, I bought some online at promotion price for like RM79 for this fully synthetic .
My relative used it in a 20 yo(?) Corona and 7/8 yo Kancil .
For the same price, I would opt for a fully synthetic 0W30 or 5W40 instead .
If I had it at hand, I won't hesitate to use it in Altis .