Hey ho folks, here's mah humble rebiu on the i5/8GB Lenovo Miix 510, which should be useful if you guys are, as I was, looking for an "affordable" Surface Pro Clone (Surface gaise please don't flame us poorfags here).

Main points:

- Build Quality almost on par with SP4 (much better built than Switch A12, hinge is slightly superior to the SP4 even).

- Benchmark wise slightly faster than the i5/8GB SP4 (on par with the Switch A12).

- REAL Wacom Pen FTW (AES + Wacom Digitizer - unfortunately not EMR, but better drivers/stylus usability than both Switch A12 or SPs. Slightly crappier physical pen vs the SP4).

- Battery life 5-6 hours nominal (better than Switch A12, worse than SP4).

- Screen is decent (Switch A12 and SP4 brighter and better reso).

- Heat management excellent (though fan runs almost constantly, but for me it's not really noticeable).

- Warranty is 2 years international INCLUDING Accidental Damage Protection for both (confirmed with Lenovo direct)... PLUS it's extendable to 5 years if you want (Switch A12 needs additional purchase for extended warranty, no Accidental Protection. Not sure about SP4).

- Unlike the Lenovo Miix 700, it has been relatively problem free so far (which is admittedly quite rare for a Lenovo product lol). Also Miix 700 had a crappy Elan Digitizer, and this one doesn't.

You can read up on all the nitty-gritty details in the full review on my site/blog here: https://goo.gl/ebQd0N

In conclusion it's an awesome little 12-incher haiburid if you have a need for one and can't afford an SP4. Might sound like I'm shilling but I'm just a really happy user here.

Also it's bound to get better as the IFA announced Miix 720 is gonna be released soon... prices should drop you further for the 510 and - unless you need Kaby Lake, TB3, a Hello Webcam AND a microSD reader - the 510 is really "good enough" already (not to mention the 720 sounds like it will cost a bomb lol).

Not sure if Lenovo's gonna cost cut in other ways and go back to that crappy Elan Digitizer in the 720 though... which might just happen as the 720 (like the 700) has a 3:2 aspect ratio screen, and Wacom doesn't really do 3:2.

Anyway, do sound off if anybody got any questions about the Miix 510. I'll be more than happy to answer if I can.

(EDIT 13/02) Here's a few PSAs for new Miix 510 users BTW:

1) Model Differences:
i3/4GB - 128G SSD, NO YES pen (according to rosihan) W10 Home, 1yr Warranty + ADP.
i5/8GB - 256G SSD, YES pen, W10 Home, 2yr Warranty + ADP. i7/8GB - 256G SSD, YES pen, W10 Pro, 2yr Warranty + ADP.

2) Turn off Fast Startup - The SSD already boots plenty fast without it, and it drains your battery turned on. Steps here: https://goo.gl/tBKxnH

3) Update your Keyboard Folio driver and firmware (from the Lenovo Website). Helps make the KB and touchpad work a lot better. Unfortunately, the touchpad is still VERY sensitive to dodgy AC adapters/plugs, so watch what you're plugging your Miix into.

4) Screen protection - Tempered glass/film SP is readily available from eBay and Lazada, or you can go to Mobile Outfitters (Gurney Plaza, Sunway, BTS) for a custom made SP.

5) ANY Wacom AES Lenovo Active Stylus (and even Dell and HP's) works with the Miix 510, so you can get any one from eBay if you need spares and replacements. I got the Lenovo GX80K32884 (Miix 700/Yoga 900 stylus) as it was the cheapest available, and it works fine.

6) AAAA batteries for the darned things are readily available from Harvey Norman (cheap) or All IT, so you don't need to go hack open 9V cells to find some.

7) The SSD IS upgradable, but it needs a considerable amount of skill, finesse and luck. Get the maintainance manual from the Lenovo support site, the proper tools (plastic prying picks for the screen and thermal paste for the CPU) and take it SLOW prying the screen open, as the screen housing around the screen itself is plastic and chips easily (talking from... sadly... experience).

This post has been edited by Eiraku: Mar 4 2017, 05:19 AM

As the battery don't get bloated like my Chuwi Hi12 and price is right, then worth it.

No bloating so far and screen is awesome compared to the Chuwi (methinks at least). Price-wise still cannot compare direct unfortunately... though if you wait for the upcoming Miix 720 the 510 price might just drop low enough to be decently comparable.

It's still a good deal now vs the Acer Switch Alpha 12 though for the non-drifty stylus (Synaptics pen baddddd), the backlighted keyboard, the (slightly better) battery life and warranty alone IMHO.

Also the Sammy (EDIT: after checking, apparently mine's SK Hynix) NVMe SSD Lenovo used on this thing is fassssssst... and upgradable too if you don't mind unscrewing a few screws lol. Similarly the battery is also (kinda) replaceable if it DOES bloat.

This post has been edited by Eiraku: Feb 7 2017, 01:01 PM

whats the price for this baby

Interesting device, what is the current retail price?

Last I checked it was around RM3.5k for the i5/8GB version (same as mine), 2.4k for the i3/4GB and 4.6k for the i7/8GB. Comes all in with Keyboard Cover AND Wacom stylus (also a nice simple sleeve free in the box).

Expect it to be 100-200 cheaper + freebies on Lazada or through Tech Hypermart... and maybe even cheaper in a few months as we get closer to the launch of the successor 720 model.

Got mine full retail from ThunderMatch Digital Mall just so that I can pay part cash and part EZPay... wasn't sure any of the online retailers can manage such a slipshod method of payment the way physical shops could.

Also, weirdly enough, folks at Lenovo Malaysia aren't trying too hard to push this thing over that funky Yoga Book thing and the rest of the Yoga bunch... when arguably this one is far more practical (at least to me).

Very the fishy indeed.

Maybe Malaysians just like them funky Yogas lol.

This post has been edited by Eiraku: Feb 2 2017, 08:55 PM

Latest Jan 2017 pricing

RM 2,649
New Model! With backlit Keyboard
INTEL® CORE™ I3-6100U PROCESSOR
W10 HOME
12.2" FHD (1920 x 1080) IPS, 320 nits, Multi-touch
4GB
128GB SSD PCIE
Integrated
1 x USB 3.0 Type C, 1 x USB 3.0, Audio Jack
"Up to 8 hrs,
900g (Tablet), 1.25kg (with keyboard)"
1 Yr Carry-in + ADP (Accidental Damage Protection) warranty!


RM 3,699
New Model! With backlit Keyboard
INTEL® CORE™ I5-6200U PROCESSOR
W10 HOME
12.2" FHD (1920 x 1080) IPS, 320 nits, Multi-touch
8GB
256GB SSD PCIE
Integrated
1 x USB 3.0 Type C, 1 x USB 3.0, Audio Jack
"Up to 8 hrs,
900g (Tablet), 1.25kg (with keyboard)"
2 Yrs Carry-in + ADP (Accidental Damage Protection)warranty!



RM 4,399 / RM 4,799 ( With LTE Data )
New Model! With backlit Keyboard
INTEL® CORE™ I7-6500U PROCESSOR
W10 PRO
12.2" FHD (1920 x 1080) IPS, 320 nits, Multi-touch
8GB
256GB SSD PCIE
Integrated
1 x USB 3.0 Type C, 1 x USB 3.0, Audio Jack
"Up to 8 hrs,
900g (Tablet), 1.25kg (with keyboard)"
2 Yrs Carry-in + ADP (Accidental Damage Protection) warranty!

Did not know you can do part pay cash and part EZPay, is that only on certain retailer like ThunderMatch?
Thanks.

Price is ok i guess, thanks btw

When I checked @DigiMall (for both the Switch 12 and the Miix 510) ThunderMatch, All IT and even the small Acer Store/Booth next to the Entrance was okay with the idea of part cash/part EzPay payment... as long as the EzPay portion was RM1k and above/12 months (as that is the minimum requirement for conversion to EzPay).

That said, the All IT KLCC, when called up to ask, was not keen on the idea, so I'd say it really depends on the retailer and also on how well you discuss it with them.

Also, there might be a one time fee imposed on the transaction (as per the normal retailer CC fees thingy), but otherwise it's the true blue zero interest EzPay installment, at least in the case of Maybank (not sure about the other banks).

This post has been edited by Eiraku: Feb 2 2017, 11:59 PM

I see, alright, now got a new way to pay for my devices.
Thanks for the tips

The usb c can be used for charging this laptop/tablet or only for data transfer?

No PD (Type-C changing), unfortunately. You'll have to wait for the upcoming Miix 720 (PD + Thunderbolt 3) for that. On the other hand, it can be used to charge other devices... while that is of limited value really lol considering the Miix has got limited batt life itself.

On the plus side, the Type-C also works for display out (DP Alt mode) and everything else. I have an incoming Hootoo Shuttle multi-hub (USB+HDMI+SD reader, no PD), will test and report once it arrives.

Also, planning on getting my hands on the cute new PQI Laptop Powerbank soon to supplement the batt life. Pretty interesting gadget in itself that PB.

This post has been edited by Eiraku: Feb 3 2017, 08:43 AM

Nice one do update how the outcome is 😁

The Hootoo Shuttle is still out there in the void of international shipping so I can't comment much yet lol. But as for the PQI "laptop" powerbank, here's a teaser:



It's actually smaller but slightly thicker than an old style Mi 10400mAh PB lol... How it can even do 19V/3.42A I can't even...

This post has been edited by Eiraku: Feb 6 2017, 03:07 AM

How much you bought it and from where?

I'm using romoss sofun 6 for my alpha 12.. still looking for usbc power bank

This post has been edited by willgan: Feb 6 2017, 12:00 AM

The PB? It's not a Type-C PD PB though, just a normal "laptop" powerbank (that works for everything that charges on 19V/3.42A = 65W).

It's slightly less then RM300 and you can get it either from Lazada or Lelong. Myself I got it from the Brightstar Malaysia online shop, best online price I've seen for it.

There's also the Apacer B222, which is pretty much just a re-labelled PQI. It's slightly more expensive though.

And yes, I just tested it yesterday and it works fine with the Miix. Don't expect it to charge fully from zero though, you'll get more like 30-40% at most... but considering the size of the PB, that's probably enough.

As a bonus, it does come with an Acer tip for it (that looks like it would fit your Switch) so you can use that Type-C for something more productive lol.



BTW, this is how small it is VS the traditional "laptop" PB, the RM500+ Energizer Xpal:



This post has been edited by Eiraku: Feb 6 2017, 03:10 AM

Oh mai... suddenly feel that my 256GB SSD is a tad... cramped lol. Now checking the markets for an upgrade, maybe a Samsung PM951 in 512.

Thankfully the Miix, as I mentioned before, is almost as upgradable/repairable as the enterprise grade HP Elite X2 1012... six screws and you're in.

Problem now is to find a good deal on the actual SSD. NVMe summore lol.

EDIT: Found one. Later this week will go get it. Will post up the self-upgrade steps over on the blog and link back here as usual.

This post has been edited by Eiraku: Feb 7 2017, 01:02 PM

Should get LTE version and put in Webe. Winrar.

Well, can always just get the parts to "make" it the LTE version lol. The modem and SIM slots are there, just unfilled and blanked out with a plastic insert.

Though for my on the move purposes adding those parts will just add to the base battery drain, so no. I always have my phone close by to tether anyway.

Webe does not work with Tether.
Imagine you laptop always connected with unlimited data. Not sure if Webe can detect usb tethering to phone.

Oh yeaaaaaaaaa. But I guess the infra can detect the fact that your "phone" doesn't have phone capabilites and mark you as tethering anyway lol.

Or do they? How's the peeps with iPads and Webe?

In my opinion they don't detect its a phone or not. It just detect whether it is used out the MAC address of the LTE modem. So Lenovo Miix with LTE will work with Webe. But Miix cannot do hotspot to other device with another MAC address else its considered as tether.

Meaning tied to one MAC? Hmmm. Quite smart that.

However, that begs the question, do they keep tabs on how much data you use. .. y'know, maybe go pick out people doing exactly THIS?

If they have a fair use clause its a clear violation lol.

Annnnnnnnd, if they have no system in place to track user utilisation... Well, I NEED MY LTE PARTS STAT LENOVO!

Anyway, I also heard Webe needs a specialised slice of the LTE spectrum to work, hence only certain phones can use Webe to begin with. Any truth there? Later I go order LTE parts also kenot use sienz only.

*Besides, I live in a literal jungle 80% of the year anyway... So probably no Webe LTE coverage to begin with lol*

This post has been edited by Eiraku: Feb 7 2017, 04:11 PM

Only LTE Band 5. I already check Miix LTE which support Band 5. So I assume Miix LTE will work with Webe.

Nice find bro. Like I said, I'm out of coverage idea most of the time so it might not apply to me personally, but might be useful for someone else.

It's really tempting me to start looking for the LTE parts from Lenovo though lol.

BTW folks, remember this little black thang from last page?



Apparently it managed to charge my Miix batt from 10% to about 90% in around 3-4 hours. For a dinky thing the size of a Mi PB I'm pretty impressed really... never thought it could even charge the Miix any more than half.

Gonna recharge the thing for further testing, but yeah, I'm liking it so far, especially for the price it's sold at (half what other "Laptop" PBs are going for).

Also, being 19V, there's a good chance that this will work as a battery extender for my Sony mirrorless too, with the correct dummy battery adapter. So yeah, pretty exciting stuff.

Will link back here as usual once I'm done with the full review.

This post has been edited by Eiraku: Feb 7 2017, 11:19 PM

can try download photoshop trial and test the pen? any issue such as palm rejection etc.

interested to use it as a drawing tablet haha.

any screen protector or protection case needed? just asking since never use any 2in1 or big tablet like this before.

thanks!

I have Ps/Ai/Lr CC and let me tell you that for an "optimal" touch experience, you're gonna need CC minimum. CS6 = tiny UI everything, unless you do the manifest hack. Ai/Ps CC even comes with a dedicated "touch" mode that embiggens the buttons even further for finger use, though I often just use them in "normal" mode.

With the manifest hack, CS6 works well enough too, though it's far less touch "aware" then CC which complicates things somewhat.

SAI should also work fine due to the fact that the Miix uses a "full" Wacom setup and runs the same Feel drivers that most drawing tablets do.

That said, I don't really draw (Ps is more my photo editor, and Ai more for logos/typography/publications) but I do take a shit tonne of written notes (Squid on Win10 is so much winz that it's not funny lol).

Also, one of the latest Win10 updates sort of added system-wide palm rejection of sorts, as it disables touch input when the pen is within hover distance EVERYWHERE. Which helps A LOT when I take notes (and should help for folks drawing too).

It's not "perfect" though (sometimes, while resting your palm on the device you pull the pen tip a tad too far from the the surface and your palm starts registering again) but it's much better than the Win 8 days that's for sure.

As for other issues, you need to understand that by nature Wacom AES (Miix) isn't like EMR (Samsung Note). It's more accurate and doesn't suffer from corner issues, but conversely it jitters somewhat if you draw too slowly and hover distance is slightly suckier than EMR.

Otherwise, it's a pretty awesome experience really, and decently comparable to my experiences with my old Note 3, but now with the power of full desktop software.

It's especially good compared to the epileptically jitter happy Synaptic pen on the Switch Alpha 12. I can't even take notes decently with that one, and not being native Wacom, you'll need all sorts of drivers and stuff to make Ps/SAI even notice it's existence.

BTW, I if you haven't figured out by now, I actually picked the Miix 510 over the Switch primarily because of how much better the Wacom pen experience was. So yeah, if you need a pen, get one.

This post has been edited by Eiraku: Feb 9 2017, 04:17 PM

thumbs up for the detailed explanation

yup they say switch pen was crap. anything with wacom is really reassuring having own a wacom drawing tablet myself (not sure integration for 2in1)
jittering wise will not be an issue. software like Lazy Nezumi pro can address this issue.

overall, thanks for the detailed explanation, will be exploring i5 version or i3 if bajet constraint

And I'm not even finished yet lol.

As for screen protection, I currently have a tempered glass protector I got off the 'Bay. It works very well and doesn't really mess with the pen all that much, but it's slippery and depending on how you draw, you might need to order "matte" protectors for it for better pen "feel".

An alternative is to go to Mobile Outfitters in Times Square/Sunway as they do custom SPs in both matte and glossy, even up to laptop size.

As for cases, I ordered a folio case once, but trashed it soon after getting it - as it just makes the Miix even bulkier and prevents you from using that awesome kickstand.

In the end, I realised that I only really use my Miix as a "laptop" replacement, so I don't think such levels of protection is needed. I settled with wrapping it with some CF vinyl for scratch protection and getting a sleeve for it (as I don't use it with the keyboard cover attached. If you plan to keep the keyboard on, you might not even need a sleeve).

If you're gonna need more protection though, a folio case would be okay probably, or you can even get a full-body silicone protector for the Miix from Gumdrop Cases.

Also Drawing Tabs are primarily EMR, so there will be a sliiiiight difference in operational "feel" when using the Miix's AES pen (as per my EMR/AES explaination before)... just so that you are aware.

So yeah, hope that was helpful for you.

This post has been edited by Eiraku: Feb 9 2017, 04:24 PM

great advice
hope your accessories doesn't cost you 10% of your whole unit

Nah, just got cheap stuff from eBay lol. Thankfully there ARE cheap stuff for the Miix, thank God, considering just how niche it is. With my spare ori Active Stylus included its nearly 10% though... but that's fortunate as most other brands' active styli is sold AT 10% of the Miix price on its own already.

That said, that laptop PB takes it over the edge but considering its a powerbank (and can charge my other laptops/gadgets as well), I'll just turn a blind eye to it lol.

This post has been edited by Eiraku: Feb 9 2017, 08:38 PM

Hi,
I just walked around in mall, noticed this Miix 5 babe is awesome! In fact, I'm still wondering whether i3 or i5? Perhaps you may give me some advices?

Most Usage:
* Chrome Browsing, Googling, FB, IM,
* Work on Google Docs, Google Drive, PowerPoint Presentation via Google Slides & WPS
* Low YouTube

Still, if the PEN isn't the concern, which mode else should I consider? Yup, love 2 in 1 with Detachable Keyboard, so that I can sometimes use it as a tablet in stead.

Your advices are appreciated!

All these details really make me craving for it haha

From your usage pattern the i3/4GB seems to be enough. All models of the Miix 510 come with the pen, not sure about the back lighted KB though.

And yes, with Win 10's touch improvements I actually very rarely use the keyboard cover anyway lol. It's like an add on extra I use only when I need to type, otherwise it's full on tablet mode for me (though people keep giving me a second glance looking at how huge the "tablet" is lol).

Unfortunately, use it like I do and you're gonna need a screen cleaning cloth and cleaning solution close at hand lol as the screen gets pretty greasy pretty quick. Also a tempered glass protector just in case.

Additionally, like I said before, warranty coverage is awesome for the 510: You get 2 years WITH accident cover. Meaning even if you DROP your 510, it's still covered under warranty.

This post has been edited by Eiraku: Feb 10 2017, 06:39 PM

how about this comparing to asus transformer 3?

As well as Acer Alpha 12

I haven't tried yet the Trans3, but I have read some T3 reviews a while back but all I remember was I wasn't really impressed by much. Also, last I checked Asus warranty service was atrocious, not so sure now though.

As for the Switch 12, it's heavier, has a worse pen (much worse), worse battery life (4h vs 5-6h), zero upgradability (by yourself I mean, I can upgrade the SSD on the Miix), worse kickstand, worse chassis (thin metal + plastic vs Miix full aluminum unibody), no keyboard backlighting (at least in some of the stocks) and only a 1 year warranty with no Accident coverage (extendable to 3 years, but still no Accident coverage).

On the plus side, the Switch is smaller, has a sharper, brighter screen; a microSD slot, a USB-C that supports charging and is passively cooled (quieter with no fan but runs hotter).

So yeah. Plusses and minuses.

This post has been edited by Eiraku: Feb 10 2017, 10:27 PM

Wow... you are awesome! Seems Miix 510 still the goal

BTW folks... just got my Hootoo annnnnnd it seems that it's actually not the model I wanted do'oh. Rather than the HDMI equipped, no PD one... I got the NO HDMI one.

Was pretty sure I got the right one, according to the pics on the eBay page, but it seems that the listing itself wasn't for what the pics showed. No wonder it was considerably cheaper than your average Hootoo HDMI Type-C.

Not sure if I can open a eBay dispute for something like this though (the listing was clear and the price was about right for the item listed... but the pictures were misleading), so I might just put it up over in Garage Sales.

Anybody interested in a brand new Hootoo Type-C, 3x USB + SD card reader hub? PM me, at least before I go put it up on GS. Here's what it looks like:



ON THE PLUS SIDE, my new 512GB NVMe SSD is here (an actual Sammy PM961 wooo). Did consider a 1TB disk but was kinda afraid that a dual-sided stick might not fit into the limited space available (plus, y'know, cost).

Currently getting prepared for the surgery: Getting tools (silicone picks and levers), thermal pads (for the SSD, as Sammy disks are well known to run hot), maybe some thermal paste to repaste the proc with, transferring files to external stores, imaging the current SSD for migration...

This is gonna be fun lol... I regularly open up my other laptops for servicing and upgrades, but a 2-in-1? This is gonna be a fresh one for me.

This post has been edited by Eiraku: Feb 11 2017, 01:13 PM

Dat moment when you freeze up and realise you're gonna soon end up with either an upgraded Miix...

... or a dead Miix.

Thankfully, everything went well, and I successfully switched out the SSD, repasted the SoC (you can recycle the old paste but, it's already open so why not), and turns out the copper heatpipe has its own thermal pad for the SSD so I refrained from adding my own (multiple layers of TP lessens its effectiveness).

Now migrating data over with Macrium Reflect Free.

Looking back, I wouldn't really say it was as "easy" as the normal pop-the-hatch-replace-components you normally do with full-sized laptops, but it's "doable" at least with proper precautions taken.

For one, I should have had a printed copy of the service manual close by, as a PDF copy is pretty useless once you need it and you realise the phone that it's on... is video recording your disassembly process lol.

At least replacing the main battery, BIOS clock cell, ventilation fan or WiFi card is much, much easier, without having to pull off the heatsink assembly (as is necessary in this case).

Oh, and there's actually plenty of space for a dual-sided 1TB (and soon, 2TB) SSD. It helps that the other side is covered with TP as well, which is pretty nice.

This post has been edited by Eiraku: Feb 12 2017, 12:51 AM

PSAs added to the front page for new users.

This post has been edited by Eiraku: Feb 13 2017, 12:44 PM

Thanks for informative posts.

Miix 720 is selling for S$1,999.00 in Singapore
12QHD2880x1920 400nits
512GB PCIe NVMe SSD
8GB DDR4
i5-7200U (3.1Ghz)
Windows 10 Pro, TPM ready

https://www.hachi.tech/product/019120007979...8gb-ram-512-ssd

In convert it into Malaysia pricing like HP, then it should be about RM5K
X360 Spectre i5 sell for 1999 in Singapore, RM5200 in MY.

Not bad. The 510 with SSD and Win upgrade should only be slightly cheaper, but with no Hello webcam, Kaby Lake Proc, TPM and that QHD screen.

On the other hand, the 510 has a better warranty: Full 2 years international AND ADP. Also, there's the digitizer on that 720. Hopefully it's proper Wacom but Lenovo HAS gone the Elan + Wacom way before (with the 700) so it's a bit suspect unless someone clarifies in a review, or tests it out.

Why is this bad? Elan + Wacom requires saperate drivers and performs slightly worse than full Wacom. It might, or might not, concern you.

Also the 700 is well known for issues (sudden death, battery drain, keyboard folio zonking out), while so far my 500 has been relatively trouble free. God knows how the 720 is gonna be like, but so far folks out of China are reporting about the same level of fan noise as the 510 at least, nothing more yet.

Otherwise it's a toss up really. Upgraded 510 i5 vs 720 i5 for 500-ish more, entirely up to you.

This post has been edited by Eiraku: Feb 17 2017, 11:53 AM

Hi all, wanted to get a new laptop since the current laptop is dying after 5 years of usage.
First time getting a 2-1 laptop so wanna ask that is it all specs comes with the pen, because I saw online retailers mentioned that i3 also comes with pen and keyboard

That was what I was told too. And then suddenly mactreouser mentioned that it wasn't included with the i3, at least at the shop he went to. Which is rather odd, but considering that the i3/4GB only comes with a 1-year warranty (as mentioned by shirogawawa ), it's not unimaginable that Lenovo might just omit the pen as well.

The Active Stylus itself is readily available from eBay for about 150-200 though (plus a 2 week shipping wait), so it's not a huge loss if you're set on getting the i3 version. The digitizer will all still be there, you'll just need to get the pen.

Anyways, do make sure you confirm the inclusion of the pen with whoever you're buying with before you commit to anything.

Other than that, I've put the other differences between the models in the PSA at the bottom of the First post on Page One, so do check that out. They still all share the same basic chassis though.

This post has been edited by Eiraku: Feb 17 2017, 04:42 PM

just received mine
the i3 model
yep they included stylus and sleeve oso

Could you provide some review on the performance, screen size,battery life and physical look of the device? Feeling really tempted to buy

Thanks for the confirmation bro. Clears a lot of doubt regarding the status of the pen with the i3 version. Don't be shy to post up here if you have any questions or if you have anything you wanna share.

I gotta ask though, did you get an backlighted keyboard as well? Not sure if the i3 SKU included it or not.

Full review you can check out my site: https://goo.gl/VMpmoQ

Got direct size comparison with the Surface Pro 3 as well (sorry no SP4 to compare), and physical characteristics are all exactly the same between the i3 model and the i5 model, so my points would probably be still quite relevant.

As for performance and battery life, however, you need to wait until rosihan chimes in with his impressions. I expect the i3 to have oooookay performance for normal tasks and slightly better battery life compare to the i5, but that's just my assumption.

This post has been edited by Eiraku: Mar 4 2017, 05:16 AM

yup i got the backlighted one
for battery performance i currently testing it
ive just completed 2hr+ on tablet mode
gt lots of wedding invitation this week dunno got time o not

No problem Bro, enjoy your Miix.

Miix 510 i5 is with Window 10 Home, the seller said it's rooted, cannot upgrade to Window 10 with purchasing a new software. So those "license keys" that you can purchase from naughty sellers at RM100 would not be viable. Can anyone confirm this?

Tempted to buy the i7 version, might as well just go for i7 LTE for at RM4600 which is 1200 more than the i5 version, get Window Pro 10 and LTE connectivity.

I take note of what @Eiraku mentioned about the unnecessary heat and shorter battery life, 1000 more

I wonder if there's LTE on any i5 models? Because i intent to get the i5 specs instead of i7 for the price

I don't see any them on lazada or lelong, but it's selling much more expensive in other currency.

http://www3.lenovo.com/sg/en/laptops/ideap...0/p/88EMMX50735

not cheap, S dollars 1400

rooted windows 10 ?

wowo, rm 4600 such a high price offered

I don't quite understand that, the shop fella said unlikely i can upgrade to Window 10 Pro from Home, it's installed or "root", something like that..

Anyway I look at Pro and Home difference, not much features that I needed badly, so decided to stick with Miix 510.

Is this the cheapest benchmark I can use for i5/8G RAM/256GB? Impress with the review in this thread and Eiraku on tehnomedia.

I guess, but market price can be kinda... unpredictable... Especially when you factor in physical shop discounts (sometime they suka suka hati give discounts also lol). But that seems to be an okay price if the seller is trustworthy.

Also you can try bodek shirogawawa and see if he can gip you discounts lol.

And thanks for the compliment of Technomadica.com (sorry the name so berbelit one lol). I do aim to please, so do drop in from time to time for more gadget reviews and features if that interests you.

outpace I have never read about rooted Windows either. That said, yes, Win 10 does use a BIOS/UEFI based Key (so yeah, it's rooted in the "ber-akar" sense), but that can be overridden with any other Key you have - naughty or otherwise - as long as it's a VALID Key.

Also, you can always "upgrade" to Pro yourself through the store if you have an extra 400.

This post has been edited by Eiraku: Mar 5 2017, 03:46 PM

If you want touch screen and below 1.3kg, the second closest will be Acer ...... with poorer battery performance, clamshell Asus UX360

Had been reading review and testing for these segment, Eiraku's one is impressive and he knows what he has bought.
and hope to upgrade the SSD like he does.




Thanks for enlightenment Sifu

This post has been edited by outpace: Mar 5 2017, 04:03 PM

Hi ts, thanks for your review. I am quite interested in getti ng this model. just would like to know, is it still good after using some time until now? any hard/software issues? also, do you use tablet mode and pen often?

This post has been edited by glauncher: Mar 11 2017, 03:06 PM

No issues up to now, EXCEPT for the fact that the power button is a wee bit easy to "ter-activate" in your bag, especially when packed tightly with no sleeve on.

Have had the 510 baking in my bag due to accidental power-ons twice already due to this. They seriously should have gone for the "slider" type of power button rather than the normal one here.

That said, the 510 handled being baked in its own heat in my bag both times like a champ, and it's chugging along fine even now, with zero heat damage.

Other than that, yeah zero issues so far, even with an upgraded SSD.

Also, I do use it as my primary note taking device so yeah, I pretty much use it in tablet mode (sans KB) almost exclusively. The KB is just like an "extra" accessory I keep around for "serious" typing. Otherwise I just make do with the software keyboard as the Win10 one is actually pretty good.

This post has been edited by Eiraku: Mar 11 2017, 04:53 PM

ic, thanks for your info!

Bro, I got this due to your overwhelming support lol. 1 question that even Lenovo can't answer me.

How do i format this thing lol. You know, Windows. Gotta do the formatting once a year. Where is the CD? Heck, where is the serial key for the windows? hmm

The "serial" is actually embedded in the UEFI/BIOS. You normally would never need to enter one. But you can always download Nirsoft Produkey to get the serial in numerical format, just in case: https://goo.gl/XYmsZc

So HOW do you clean format a Win 10 device?

You just download the Windows 10 image maker off Microsoft's website, and create an installation image/media on a pendrive and boot off that. The serial should be read off the UEFI and Windows should install fine.

Be ready to plug in a mouse and keyboard IN CASE the system doesn't automatically detect your touchscreen though, as this has already happened to me once back on my Acer W4.

In regards to the serial, keep in mind that "severe" system modifications (Microsoft says changing motherboards falls under this) might make the system key invalid, though this probably doesn't apply to the 510 as the only time we might need a motherboard change is when ours die.

Also, if you trust Microsoft, log in with (or create) a Microsoft account and go to the Microsoft website to "pair" a Windows system key to your account. This works as a "backup" in case the UEFI embedded serial becomes invalid/borked up for some unknown reason. This also applies to authentic Office serials as well, apparently.

And finally, drivers are shipped together with the 510 on one of the SSD partitions, though some of them are prolly out of date. They should be fine to start with post format though.



This post has been edited by Eiraku: Mar 18 2017, 12:33 AM

Thanks for your reply bro but I'm a little noob with this so I'm kinda confused. Yes I always do a "refresh" every year. Are you saying I can create some kind of a "image" now (which is perfect because I have not done anything to my mixx yet besides charging and change wallpaper lol). Then place that image into my partition. Every year I just need to launch this "image" and it will go back to "today's state" ? Is that what you're saying? And the software I need is Macrium Reflect + Macrium WinPE recovery ? 2 different software ? freeware ? Thanks man. You're very helpful in this Miix thread ...

Yes, that's what I mean. It's like creating/flashing TWRP image backups in Android phones (well, actually this was the originator of the idea).

Just get Macrium Reflect Free (it's freeware) and you'll have everything you need to create a REAL system "refresh" solution (the WinPE recovery media creator is a part of Reflect itself).

All you need to do is:

1) Download and install Macrium Reflect Free.

2) Create a WinPE Recovery Media through Macrium Reflect (usually an 8/16GB pendrive, and you should probably keep the Recovery Media separate from the Disk Image aka keep them on different disks as redundancy is a good thing).

3) Prepare your system to be imaged (install whatever software you need and uninstall any bloatware you don't). This is entirely optional though.

4) Using Macrium Reflect, image your system to external media (external HDD/SSD, big pendrive, or a whole stack of DVDs - your choice). Give it a clear name so that you will never mistake it for another Image

And all you need to do to "refresh" later would be:

1) Go into UEFI/BIOS and make sure the USB/Type-C is in a higher boot priority then the internal SSD.

2) Restart with the Recovery Media inserted in your USB/Type-C (it will launch straight into Macrium Reflect).

3) Plug in whatever you stashed your System Image in.

4) In Macrium Reflect, select and restore the System Image to your internal SSD.

All done. System should be returned to Day One condition, or whatever condition the system was in when you told Macrium Reflect to make the Image.

BTW, you can migrate to a larger HDD/SSD using Macrium Reflect as well, and all of the above is applicable to EVERY Windows machine you have, not just the Miix... and not just Win10.

There's a slight learning curve to the whole process, but Macrium Reflect does come with a comprehensive help file plus everything is quite well labeled and explained to begin with so it's really not THAT hard IMHO.

This post has been edited by Eiraku: Mar 18 2017, 12:58 AM

Sounds pretty much like Norton Ghost. I use that alot but still a little confused (sorry)

Backup step 2) WinPE Recovery Media - This act's like a software that will auto boot in recovery step 2 right?
Backup step 4) With this, I should have an image of my laptop, where should i store this image? Is it on the same USB as backup step 2? Or separate USB.

Backup step 2 and 3, are they they same USB? Or different? Step 2 is like a recovery software and step 3 is just a normal USB with my image inside?

It's exactly like Norton Ghost, only free. I don't have access to paid NG and apparently Macrium Reflect seems to outperform NG anyway on modern systems (at least the Paid Pro version does) so yeah, Macrium Reflect for me.

As for The WinPE recovery media in (2), keep it on a separate USB drive from the System Image. I dunno why, but for me it works better this way.

Also, it actually doesn't auto boot to recovery, its actually its own "recovery" with Macrium Reflect installed in it to help your "install" your backed-up System Image.

As for step (4), save your system image somewhere else.

So you'll have 2 disks. 1 pendrive containing the WinPE recovery (8GB is more than enough and dirt cheap) and 1 external HDD (or a big pendrive) containing your System Image.

How to mount both on the 510 at the same time to allow for all this in the first place? Get a Type-C to USB-A adapter.

Why not save the System Image on your disk itself? Because you can't write the Image onto the disk you're reading the Image from.

You CAN create a separate new partition on your 510 SSD especially for the System Image, and read the image off that... But for backups it's normally safer to put System Recovery Images onto external disks and put them safely out of harms way.

IMHO anyway. As you're familiar with NG you might have your own way of managing image backups so that might work too.

This post has been edited by Eiraku: Mar 18 2017, 01:18 AM

Alrighty, gotcha! Just final confirmation, the pendrive containing the WinPE recovery (8GB is more than enough and dirt cheap), this can be used everywhere right? pc, laptop, yadayada. What I need is only appropriate system image to go to the proper hardware right? Coz that WinPE thing is more like a software for it to boot and read the image right?

1 last question, are you using the "skin" from mobileoutfitters? I know them from the guys in Note 7 thread last time, they are pretty expensive ... covering the whole miix might cost a bomb, I just want to make sure the touch and the pen function will not be disturbed ...

Yep that's correct. The WinPE Recovery is generic in that sense, as only really exists to read and "flash" the Images.

You're also correct that it's the System Image that needs to correspond to whatever system you're putting it back on (due to drivers and serials and yada yada), hence my suggestion to "properly" name your System Images.

As for skin, actually no. I'm using my own "skin" made out of CF vinyl (yeah I cut it myself lol), with slipshod clear vinyl "plaster" bumpers on each of the 4 corners just in case.

As for the screen, I'm actually using Tempered Glass off eBay and its working pretty well for my needs, even with touch and the Wacom pen... so I see no reason why the clear vinyl Mobile Outfitters seem to be using would fare any worse.

Pen "feel" would be pretty different though between glass and vinyl. I don't really draw so glass is good enough for me but artists on the net seem to either prefer the "tacky" feel of vinyl or the rough feel of a matte screen protector for drawing.

This post has been edited by Eiraku: Mar 18 2017, 01:29 AM

Great stuff bro! Thank you so much with your patience !! 1 happy miix user here ... going pyramid tomorrow to protect my baby haha

Glad to be of service. Do come back and share your experiences with Mobile Outfitters, it would be great info for other would be Miix owners.

bro, may I know which version and how much you bought?

For sure .. more than happy to give back ... i;m checking for last minute advice now lol ... i'm going pyramid right after this ...


I got the 8gb/256 from lenovo shop in digital mall ... they got discount .... 3399 IF I'VE NOT MISTAKEN (dont quote me) ... coz i got another usb c to hdmi plus another 3m hdmi cable (both is good brand cable, recommended here before by someone ..j5create).. total price is 3550 (this for sure).... good price as originally i wanted to get surface pro ... screw that lol

Guys im back after few days of using the miix. I must say im super happy with it haha. My desktop is like 10 years old so this will be my desktop replacement and i like how i can type this now on my bed haha.

Anyway some sifu already review the miix so no need for me to do that. i just want to share my experience with mobile outfitters screen protector

So let me first start off by saying they do not support Lenovo Miix lol...they were like wtf is this. But guess what? this is actually good because the full set for surface pro cost like RM 400+ if i didnt remember wrongly lol...so since they have nothing for miix, they just custom cut and charge me RM 170 for tablet price. Super reasonable. So since its custom cut, dont expect it to fit 100%. For me its good enough. If youre a perfectionist, maybe not so happy. Better you go on weekdays and give him more time to slowly do lol. oh btw my price is for matte. normal will be cheaper. i super hate fingerprints so this works really well for me. In case u dont know about matte, it makes your screen darker and also sometimes like blur if look from different angle. Thats expected since i use matte sp on my phone too. Lastly, mo compromise on the touch function at all. really love it.

However i have few question:
1) since i go wrap on my second day, i didnt even notice if the keyboard cover sticks to the screen or not. i know the keyboard snaps in very well bit when you close it like a book, is there magnet too? like if you put it vertical, will the keyboard drop down? mine will. i hope its not the effect of the sp.
2) i dont use the physical keyboard at all, but the on screen keyboard is not the best either. can we install custom keyboards? any keyboard with function like swype?
3) if no third party keyboard, can we make the keyboard smaller?

Thanks for the review man. Should be helpful for those interested.

Anyway for your questions:

1) Yes it kinda does. It has two positions actually, (a) that lays flat without sticking to a little bit of the screen edge and (b) that DOES stick, therefore angling the KB a bit.

2) There is a few (like touchpal I think) but unfortunately they all hail from the early Windows touch days and suck even harder than the built in keyboard. Try typing "on screen keyboard" into the Start menu search, launch it and THAT is how most of the alternatives look like (aka badddd).

3) There is, if you can live with it floating around. Tap the "resize" button on the left side of the "minimise" button. And unfortunately that's as small as it can go.

just received VINSIC notebook power bank charge my MIIX510 from 17% to 100% and the battery still have 51%
i bought 250++ after coupon and discounts

hi guys. just brought the miix 510 with intel 7th gen processor.

I wan wondering is there any battery life preserving features? limiting the maximum charge rate below 100%

7th gen!
Specs/Price?
Where did you buy from?

Got it from digital mall at RM3500 cash. No free gift tho.

Wow. Really?

Not sure if Lenovo quietly updated the 510 without releasing the 720 locally (EDIT: Apparently, according to the Singapore site, they did lol... Seriously Lenovo, way to diss the folks who got your Skylake 510s).

Also, not quite sure about battery preservation features other than the built in charge limiter. Personally I need more battery life so I leave it off.

This post has been edited by Eiraku: Apr 3 2017, 10:10 AM

Hi, where is the charger limiter feature located? Can't seem to find it.

It's in the Lenovo Settings app, under charge behavior or something.

This post has been edited by Eiraku: Apr 4 2017, 12:03 AM

being owning this thing for about a week, i can say that this is the best tablet i own so far.

actually, my original target is acer switch alpha 12. being eyeing this since 3 months ago after "accidentally" see it in Harvey Norman.

long story cut short, a final moment before i decided to buy the acer, i found this thread and went to buy miix 510 instead (RM 3399 at lenovo shop digital mall)

thank god and thanks to you Eiraku.