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SUSbg12
post Feb 2 2017, 12:32 PM, updated 9y ago

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For the property i am buying now,

Qualified valuer appointed by bank valued my property at 615k

Then for MOT stamp duty fee, LHDN values at 700k

Is LHDN valuation FINAL decision, or is there any channel to dispute by showing the independent valuation report ?

This post has been edited by bg12: Feb 2 2017, 01:33 PM
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post Feb 2 2017, 12:50 PM

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QUOTE(bg12 @ Feb 2 2017, 12:32 PM)
For the property i am buying now,

Qualified valuer appointed by bank valued my property at 615k

Then for MOT stamp duty fee, govt value at 700k

Is govt valuation FINAL decision,  or is there any channel to dispute by showing the independent valuation report ?
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post Feb 2 2017, 02:07 PM

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U don't play with LHDN..
Take the valuation they give..
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post Feb 2 2017, 02:28 PM

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Just pay in the event u got the prop at below mv
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post Feb 2 2017, 03:06 PM

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I facing situation like these:

Me and my partner bought a property from developer at 398k In 2013.

The property is VPed now and I decided to take out my name from SNP and Loan at 398k from SNP price. Means selling my 50% share to my partner in this case

According to lawyer, LHDN still will charge RPGT to me because the market value is higher now despite I did not make any profit and selling at SNP price.

Is that happen ?

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post Feb 2 2017, 03:15 PM

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QUOTE(seanooi880327 @ Feb 2 2017, 03:06 PM)
I facing situation like these:

Me and my partner bought a property from developer at 398k In 2013.

The property is VPed now and I decided to take out my name from SNP and Loan at 398k from SNP price. Means selling my 50% share to my partner in this case

According to lawyer, LHDN still will charge RPGT to me because the market value is higher now despite I did not make any profit and selling at SNP price.

Is that happen ?
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that why its not a good idea to joint name to buy property where your relationship is not recognised by law.

yes.....RPGT will be imposed on 50% on your share.

But I wonder if you bought in 2013, how much profit you will make? 15-20%? after minus legal fee and etc....how much net profit are we talking about?

or if you can wait.....wait til 2019 baru transfer when the rpgt is zero.....but then....your property price might go up further.....making the situation even harder.
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post Feb 2 2017, 03:31 PM

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QUOTE(bg12 @ Feb 2 2017, 12:32 PM)
For the property i am buying now,

Qualified valuer appointed by bank valued my property at 615k

Then for MOT stamp duty fee, LHDN values at 700k

Is LHDN valuation FINAL decision,  or is there any channel to dispute by showing the independent valuation report ?
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Check with your lawyer any succesful appeal cases b4. If yes, you may try to appeal by providing SPA and valuation report through your lawyer.
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post Feb 2 2017, 03:32 PM

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QUOTE(seanooi880327 @ Feb 2 2017, 03:06 PM)
I facing situation like these:

Me and my partner bought a property from developer at 398k In 2013.

The property is VPed now and I decided to take out my name from SNP and Loan at 398k from SNP price. Means selling my 50% share to my partner in this case

According to lawyer, LHDN still will charge RPGT to me because the market value is higher now despite I did not make any profit and selling at SNP price.

Is that happen ?
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That will be strange. RPGT is charged on the capital gain based on SPA price. If u sell (even if you just transfer) to your partner at SPA price regardless what is the market price, there shouldn't be any chargeable RPGT. It is different issue with MOT.

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post Feb 2 2017, 03:39 PM

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QUOTE(CK15 @ Feb 2 2017, 03:31 PM)
Check with your lawyer any succesful appeal cases b4. If yes, you may try to appeal by providing SPA and valuation report through your lawyer.
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Lawyer did mentioned there's a successful appeal case which the husband and wife divorced and they show the proof on that.

QUOTE(gks @ Feb 2 2017, 03:32 PM)
That will be strange. RPGT is charged on the capital gain based on SPA price. If u sell (even if you just transfer) to your partner at SPA price regardless what is the market price, there shouldn't be any chargeable RPGT. It is different issue with MOT.
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That's what I thinking also at first. However they will based on market value to impose the tax. Unless if you are making loss there might be different story.

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post Feb 2 2017, 03:41 PM

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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Feb 2 2017, 03:15 PM)
that why its not a good idea to joint name to buy property where your relationship is not recognised by law.

yes.....RPGT will be imposed on 50% on your share.

But I wonder if you bought in 2013, how much profit you will make? 15-20%? after minus legal fee and etc....how much net profit are we talking about?

or if you can wait.....wait til 2019 baru transfer when the rpgt is zero.....but then....your property price might go up further.....making the situation even harder.
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about 20% gain.
Hence I already pay about RM6k. But actual value unsure yet. If lower, then will have some refund.

Look like can't miss it and have to pay.

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post Feb 2 2017, 04:12 PM

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Lhdn depends on valuation department input, the number tend to lag behind the market.

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post Feb 2 2017, 04:19 PM

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QUOTE(seanooi880327 @ Feb 2 2017, 03:41 PM)
about 20% gain.
Hence I already pay about RM6k. But actual value unsure yet. If lower, then will have some refund.

Look like can't miss it and have to pay.
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Did you ask the lawyer how much extra charge he will impose if he helps you to do the appeal instead?
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post Feb 2 2017, 04:22 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Feb 2 2017, 04:12 PM)
Lhdn depends on valuation department input, the number tend to lag behind the market.
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You mean higher or lower than SPA value?
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post Feb 2 2017, 04:23 PM

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QUOTE(samkps @ Feb 2 2017, 04:19 PM)
Did you ask the lawyer how much extra charge he will impose if he helps you to do the appeal instead?
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I didn't ask. he said I can go to LHDN to do the appeal myself as there successful case happened before only.
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post Feb 2 2017, 04:24 PM

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LHDN valuation sometimes not follow market valuation..

always got some differences
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QUOTE(seanooi880327 @ Feb 2 2017, 04:23 PM)
I didn't ask. he said I can go to LHDN to do the appeal myself as there successful case happened before only.
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Did your appeal successful?
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post Sep 11 2017, 09:35 PM

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QUOTE(bg12 @ Feb 2 2017, 12:32 PM)
For the property i am buying now,

Qualified valuer appointed by bank valued my property at 615k

Then for MOT stamp duty fee, LHDN values at 700k

Is LHDN valuation FINAL decision,  or is there any channel to dispute by showing the independent valuation report ?
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according to LHDN you already make 85k. not happy ka?

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QUOTE(theevilman1909 @ Feb 2 2017, 04:24 PM)
LHDN valuation sometimes not follow market valuation..

always got some differences
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valuation is subjective.
LHDN is using JPPH - gomen valuation dept
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post Sep 11 2017, 10:47 PM

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Economy bad a
February I paid MOT ,
I even check at brickz online value
, I almost puke when the officer call me n told me the amount
150-250k higher
I direct do transfer , Love and affection,
still valuation high , even I can save lawyer fee but cost me a bomb for MOT, I wish they got credit card like cukai pintu, cukai Tanah at KL land office also got credit card leh.......
cash make me stuck leh my cash flow ,

If u do something above 700k,
U be Flat ............ like LCD tv -.-/
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QUOTE(seanooi880327 @ Feb 2 2017, 03:06 PM)
I facing situation like these:

Me and my partner bought a property from developer at 398k In 2013.

The property is VPed now and I decided to take out my name from SNP and Loan at 398k from SNP price. Means selling my 50% share to my partner in this case

According to lawyer, LHDN still will charge RPGT to me because the market value is higher now despite I did not make any profit and selling at SNP price.

Is that happen ?
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Before you pay.. make sure you kira baik baik then only file for payment

Total net disposal price - total acquosition cost = chargeable gain

Chargeable gain is allowable for a rm 10k relieve,or 10% of chargeable gain...

So you can say chargeable gain - (10k or 10% of gain, whichever higher) = taxable gain

Taxable gain × rpgt rate = rpgt payable..



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