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Wolger
post Mar 17 2017, 01:31 PM

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QUOTE(ah_suknat @ Mar 17 2017, 01:00 PM)
I think you misunderstood the difference between FREE RANGE eggs and ayam kampung eggs.

You hardly see ayam kampung eggs being sold in supermarkets.

Those tesco ones are normal chicken but are free range. Not the ayam kampung one.
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AHH I get it. I think real kampong eggs from kampong chickens not kept in enclosure are not commercialised hence it is so expensive..

I get my supply from a shop specialise in selling all king of eggs, ducks, puyuh etc...we always refer this free range eggs as kampong eggs.

Later I post a pic between an AA commercial eggs and this egg...I guess a real kampong eggs is much smaller than my free range eggs which I think is B size.

But the free range eggs' yolks are bright red like those omega 3 eggs sold in supermarket - not to be mistaken as free range and kampong eggs.
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QUOTE(Wolger @ Mar 17 2017, 05:31 AM)
AHH I get it. I think real kampong eggs from kampong chickens not kept in enclosure are not commercialised hence it is so expensive..

I get my supply from a shop specialise in selling all king of eggs, ducks, puyuh etc...we always refer this free range eggs as kampong eggs.

Later I post a pic between an AA commercial eggs and  this egg...I guess a real kampong eggs is much smaller than my free range eggs which I think is B size.

But the free range eggs' yolks are bright red like those omega 3 eggs sold in supermarket - not to be mistaken as free range and kampong eggs.
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Real ayam kampung eggs the shell are pretty pale in colour unlike those brown commercial one but the yolks are pretty bright orange/ in colour. And the yeah the size are much smaller, not even B. May be C or D.
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post Mar 18 2017, 07:57 PM

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QUOTE(epie @ Mar 15 2017, 10:51 PM)
thanks for the opinion bro

i am currently on a strict diet and limit my calorie intake according to my BMR
i also do jogging 2-3 times 3-4km per week
i have loss 5kg in 2months (from 80 to 75kg) and i am 171cm tall
in order to reach my ideal bmi...my weight shud be around 72kg

in ur opinion...better i take the whey protein now, or wait until i reach my target wight which is 72kg?
i never go to the gym but i always do push up and have an athletic build

ur opinion is highly appreciated
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in order to reach my ideal bmi...my weight shud be around 72kg
Ditch BMI, here's why
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZ8Tru7_kVg
BMI isn't counted base on body composition, it's counted base on body weight, pure weight regardless u have thin or thick bone structure, regardless your muscle mass, regardless ur fat mass

i have loss 5kg in 2months (from 80 to 75kg) and i am 171cm tall
Do you loss fat or muscle mass? Again BMI doesn't tell u this which makes BMI a bad reference, mirror is a much better reference.

in ur opinion...better i take the whey protein now, or wait until i reach my target wight which is 72kg?
On the baseline, protein is a type of food, it is used to maintain and repair your muscle. Whey is a type of protein food. You can either eat chicken to get protein, eat egg to get protein, or drink whey to get protein. You need protein as part of your daily food intake, regardless even you are obese or skinny stick.
Take whey protein if you're tired eating chicken / meat / egg.

https://www.iifym.com/tdee-calculator/

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post Mar 18 2017, 10:51 PM

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QUOTE(helven @ Mar 18 2017, 07:57 PM)
in order to reach my ideal bmi...my weight shud be around 72kg
Ditch BMI, here's why
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZ8Tru7_kVg
BMI isn't counted base on body composition, it's counted base on body weight, pure weight regardless u have thin or thick bone structure, regardless your muscle mass, regardless ur fat mass

i have loss 5kg in 2months (from 80 to 75kg) and i am 171cm tall
Do you loss fat or muscle mass? Again BMI doesn't tell u this which makes BMI a bad reference, mirror is a much better reference.

in ur opinion...better i take the whey protein now, or wait until i reach my target wight which is 72kg?
On the baseline, protein is a type of food, it is used to maintain and repair your muscle. Whey is a type of protein food. You can either eat chicken to get protein, eat egg to get protein, or drink whey to get protein. You need protein as part of your daily food intake, regardless even you are obese or skinny stick.
Take whey protein if you're tired eating chicken / meat / egg.

https://www.iifym.com/tdee-calculator/
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thanks for ur opinion bro...really appreciate it

i have loss my body fat after counting and limit my calorie intake according to my bmr and also from cardio activity(defisit around 3000kcal a week)
can notice a big different on my tummy

i will give a try on the whey protein

again ty very much bro
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post Mar 19 2017, 04:12 PM

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QUOTE(epie @ Mar 18 2017, 10:51 PM)
thanks for ur opinion bro...really appreciate it

i have loss my body fat after counting and limit my calorie intake according to my bmr and also from cardio activity(defisit around 3000kcal a week)
can notice a big different on my tummy

i will give a try on the whey protein

again ty very much bro
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Just be aware that whey is much pricier than real food due to our currency, also less nutritious, it cant replace real food but it can be less boring by increasing variety of foods you eat. I personally don like to eat, I just don like to eat stuff regardless it is junk of good food, increasing variety does helped me to hit the number.
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post Mar 20 2017, 07:25 AM

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QUOTE(helven @ Mar 19 2017, 04:12 PM)
Just be aware that whey is much pricier than real food due to our currency, also less nutritious,  it cant replace real food but it can be less boring by increasing variety of foods you eat. I personally don like to eat, I just don like to eat stuff regardless it is junk of good food, increasing variety does helped me to hit the number.
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noted bro
i have did counting macro and it is difficult for me to hit 150gram calorie intake daily
i am considering whey as my options other than real food
thanks
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post Mar 20 2017, 05:38 PM

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QUOTE(helven @ Mar 19 2017, 04:12 PM)
Just be aware that whey is much pricier than real food due to our currency, also less nutritious,  it cant replace real food but it can be less boring by increasing variety of foods you eat. I personally don like to eat, I just don like to eat stuff regardless it is junk of good food, increasing variety does helped me to hit the number.
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10lbs bag of Optimum Nutrition whey protein cost around RM380, has about 146 servings, each serving contain 24g of protein.

So 24gx146 servings=3504g of protein. 3504g of protein divided by RM380= 9.22.

Which means RM1 for 9.22g of protein. That's actually a pretty reasonable price. The only other food that comes close to this much of protein per dollar is eggs.


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post Mar 21 2017, 03:13 AM

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QUOTE(Strength @ Mar 20 2017, 05:38 PM)
10lbs bag of Optimum Nutrition whey protein cost around RM380, has about 146 servings, each serving contain 24g of protein.

So 24gx146 servings=3504g of protein. 3504g of protein divided by RM380= 9.22.

Which means RM1 for 9.22g of protein. That's actually a pretty reasonable price. The only other food that comes close to this much of protein per dollar is eggs.
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The price is similar to raw lean pork, which is RM18/kg. Base on the chicken breast I bought from Giant, RM1 yield 16.5g protein, despite the fuel cost to travel to the hypermarket, time to prepare and cook, gas/oil/seasoning use. It is still okay to put whey into diet unless that person can eat meat all day, it will be great. rclxms.gif
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post Mar 21 2017, 10:43 AM

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"The DRI (Dietary Reference Intake) is 0.8 grams of protein per kilogram of body weight, or 0.36 grams per pound."

This is a good rule of thumb for sedentary ppl. If you're active & lifting, increase that to the range of 1-1.5 grams per kg. Based on numerous research the whole 1g/1 lbs thing is a myth that is unproven and may not be the best optimal protein consumption, you can look up on this. Personally for me, I don't take sides to which is right or wrong, I think you just have to experiment with the amount and see how you feel. For me, if i ate 1g/1 lbs I feel so sick, my digestion goes out of whack. So I stay within 0.7-0.8g/1 lbs most days. If I go lower, my recovery is not so good and I feel sore much longer. I think it's important to find your happy medium instead of just following blindly. What works for others may not work for you, just saying.
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post Mar 21 2017, 04:59 PM

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QUOTE(helven @ Mar 21 2017, 03:13 AM)
The price is similar to raw lean pork, which is RM18/kg. Base on the chicken breast I bought from Giant, RM1 yield 16.5g protein, despite the fuel cost to travel to the hypermarket, time to prepare and cook, gas/oil/seasoning use. It is still okay to put whey into diet unless that person can eat meat all day, it will be great.  rclxms.gif
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Chicken breast is 16.5? That's awesome. But eating too much chicken might not be good, all the hormones and injections in it.

QUOTE(Studio15 @ Mar 21 2017, 10:43 AM)
"The DRI (Dietary Reference Intake) is 0.8 grams of protein per kilogram of body weight, or 0.36 grams per pound."

This is a good rule of thumb for sedentary ppl. If you're active & lifting, increase that to the range of 1-1.5 grams per kg. Based on numerous research the whole 1g/1 lbs thing is a myth that is unproven and may not be the best optimal protein consumption, you can look up on this. Personally for me, I don't take sides to which is right or wrong, I think you just have to experiment with the amount and see how you feel. For me, if i ate 1g/1 lbs I feel so sick, my digestion goes out of whack. So I stay within 0.7-0.8g/1 lbs most days. If I go lower, my recovery is not so good and I feel sore much longer. I think it's important to find your happy medium instead of just following blindly. What works for others may not work for you, just saying.
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One popular author of a fitness book recommends to eat 1.2g/lbs of protein during cutting! So since I am 170lbs and if I were to follow his advice, I must eat 205g of protein! I can't even begin to imagine what to eat to get so much protein unless I drink a ton of protein shakes a day. But the maximum number of whey protein that I would consume each day is only 2 scoops.

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post Mar 21 2017, 06:15 PM

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QUOTE(Strength @ Mar 21 2017, 04:59 PM)
Chicken breast is 16.5? That's awesome. But eating too much chicken might not be good, all the hormones and injections in it.
One popular author of a fitness book recommends to eat 1.2g/lbs of protein during cutting! So since I am 170lbs and if I were to follow his advice, I must eat 205g of protein! I can't even begin to imagine what to eat to get so much protein unless I drink a ton of protein shakes a day. But the maximum number of whey protein that I would consume each day is only 2 scoops.
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Unless u raise your own chicken, have your own fish pond, plant ur own vege, you're pretty much can't avoid/control those unknown stuff they do behind our knowledge. Or you have the facility to do lab test every food you buy. Ya know, the business world brows.gif
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QUOTE(Strength @ Mar 21 2017, 04:59 PM)
Chicken breast is 16.5? That's awesome. But eating too much chicken might not be good, all the hormones and injections in it.
One popular author of a fitness book recommends to eat 1.2g/lbs of protein during cutting! So since I am 170lbs and if I were to follow his advice, I must eat 205g of protein! I can't even begin to imagine what to eat to get so much protein unless I drink a ton of protein shakes a day. But the maximum number of whey protein that I would consume each day is only 2 scoops.
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I've done 1g/lbs of lean body mass to no detriment to my strength or size during my recent cut from 77 to 71.5kg. In fact I was able to squeeze some gains out of the cut. Remember, it's lean body mass. Does not include body fat. For example I'm 71.5kg now at estimated of 18% body fat. I'm only 59kg of lean body mass. Means I need to take in about 130g of protein.

I won't comment on the hormones stuff because I disagree with it, that's your opinion and you are entitled to it. I disagree because it's exactly the argument every couch dwelling anti vaxxers use to justify their cause.
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post Mar 22 2017, 10:28 AM

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QUOTE(Strength @ Mar 21 2017, 04:59 PM)
Chicken breast is 16.5? That's awesome. But eating too much chicken might not be good, all the hormones and injections in it.
One popular author of a fitness book recommends to eat 1.2g/lbs of protein during cutting! So since I am 170lbs and if I were to follow his advice, I must eat 205g of protein! I can't even begin to imagine what to eat to get so much protein unless I drink a ton of protein shakes a day. But the maximum number of whey protein that I would consume each day is only 2 scoops.
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From what I've learnt over the years most muscular sized ppl will tend to consume more protein because they are being on the safe side to avoid muscle loss/catabolic state. In short, they are just over consuming to double confirm they wont loose muscle la. Unless you're shredding for mr.olympia or something I don't think this is necessary at all. 205g,lol... i think my digestion will F up big time if i went to 1.2g/lbs lol. There's also this thing which is not explained in most fitness books etc, which is having proper ration for your macros equally. So if say your protein in taking up so much calorie in your daily needs then you will either have an odd number of carbs & fats that you might find yourself having to down nothing but plain old chicken breast in some meals or you wont be able to get in enough fibre (carb sources) to let the protein digest in your system. I tend to look up more on dietary nutrition science rather than fitness magazines or promotional books most of the times because there is running myth that no one talks about which is the fitness industry tends to promote high protein consumption to the norms to upsell the supplement lines. And by norms i mean regular fit ppl not talking about competitors. Just my 2 cents anyways lol...

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QUOTE(Strength @ Mar 21 2017, 04:59 PM)
Chicken breast is 16.5? That's awesome. But eating too much chicken might not be good, all the hormones and injections in it.
One popular author of a fitness book recommends to eat 1.2g/lbs of protein during cutting! So since I am 170lbs and if I were to follow his advice, I must eat 205g of protein! I can't even begin to imagine what to eat to get so much protein unless I drink a ton of protein shakes a day. But the maximum number of whey protein that I would consume each day is only 2 scoops.
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To the general, fats do not need protein. Water retention do not need protein. Glycogen do not need protein. Just go for 1g/ lbs of lean muscle mass. 205g is total overkill.
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