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post Jun 17 2017, 04:16 PM

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QUOTE(Nom-el @ Jun 17 2017, 03:28 PM)
I am not talking about PIDM here. I am talking about the interest being fixed & guaranteed by the bank meaning you will know how much you will be getting back on maturity. As for ASx, we won't know the returns until distribution is declared. This would depend on the performance of the underlying stocks. You risk getting nothing at all if the performance is really, really bad even though the chances of that happening is really low. As for the principal, it is guaranteed by the bank while ASNB does not guarantee your capital although the price is fixed at RM1. So, I would say it's low risk but not as low as FD's.
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This is because ASNB is equity based investment arms just like EPF and unit trust.. If u take a look the ASNB passbook cover page, it's clearly stated as Buku Pelaburan...

Whereas FD is not an investment arm.. That's why interest cannot be declared beforehand for ASNB unlike FD..

If look at long run, ASNB beats FD returns...

Just to give you a rough picture, during economic crisis, FD rates hovers between 2.5 to 3%... ASNB gives off around 4.5 to 5%.... When it's good, FD provides up to 4.5% and ASNB rates hover between 6.8 to 7.8%

On capital, if ASNB goes down to drain, government will ask EPF help to rescue... Of course this won't be informed to public that EPF is rescuing amanah... There are always someone to bailout government company, a practice started during Tun Razak's time...

If government goes down to drain... FD also jus left as valueless paper, just like what happen to Greece...

Message here is, pray government don't kaput..

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post Jun 17 2017, 07:54 PM

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QUOTE(alexanderclz @ Jun 17 2017, 07:08 PM)
diversification is the key. gold, property, foreign investment
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Yes for sure.... Diversify
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post Jun 20 2017, 11:18 PM

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QUOTE(Chrono-Trigger @ Jun 20 2017, 04:05 PM)
no charge for selling/ buying ?
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Yes Bro no charges for buying and selling.. Only pay quarterly fee... Which wil be deducted from the fund in term of units..

Actually it's v small amount.. You won't even feel it..

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post Jul 3 2017, 08:31 PM

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Hi everyone

Managed to open AS1M, ASM and ASW2020 today at pnb office.

So officially joining you guys.
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post Jul 3 2017, 08:38 PM

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I was told the dividend wil be calculated based on number of units hold on every month end.

Can you guys brief me more on this?

Or else can tell me the page number or post number if it was discussed before in this thread, I wil try to look out by myself.

Thank you v much.

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post Jul 13 2017, 01:37 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jul 13 2017, 10:44 AM)
Ok. Let's be practical. This is a DIY for people with kids earning RM5-6k. Takkan cannot save RM1k/month? Even RM500/month also can. Even users of certain credit card can get RM600/year free of charge.
1. Have a emergency cash supply of say 2 years first. At RM1k/month = RM12k/year At RM500/month = RM6000

2. Get whole family insured with medical insurance (no need those that pay you while in hospital - get only those that cover hospital bill). This is because medical bill can wipe out one's savings unless want to stick with govt hosp. For me, I am pro govt hosp but let's not get into that. The decision is up to one to make.

3. Once have emergency cash supply, start accumulating warchest. At RM1k/month = RM12k/year At RM500/month = RM6000
Best place for emergency cash supply and war chest is amanah saham. Nothing is so liquid and give you 6% p.a
- At the same time, amanah saham is doing the heavy lifting for you of growing your money.

If don't want amanah saham, dump your money into Nestle. Give dividend + price never drop. If you look at the graph, it's practically a straight line.

4. Don't bother about applying those RM50k priority bank services as those are "nama sahaja". Don't get better forex rates. Besides by parking with the bank say FD at RM50k, one lose out to amanah saham and Nestle.

5. When salary increase/bonus datang, put it away. Do not upgrade lifestyle. Do not spend your bonus. By doing this, you DO NOT SUCCUMB to lifestyle inflation.

6. Now for the fun part. Since we are earning so little and have so little ammo,  which country to invest in. Don't go pick US/EUR/UK. Why? The currency so big. Our currency so small. So what to do? Pick smaller country currency - SGD/AUD/HKD (HKD is basically only 2x our currency even though pegged to 7x USD. eg HKD10000 = ~RM5000)!!! RM still got hope.

7. What to invest? Unit trust can, dividend stocks can. ETF only for S&P500. Rest all not worth using ETF. Most of them can start with 1000 denominator (depending on what you buy)!. No need big amount. I personally invest in dividend stocks as they will be paying me in forei gn currency which I can use to pump it back when opportunity arises and further increase my dividends in the future.

8. Opening investment account need bank account/local address. Let me tell you Not necessary for country like SG/AU/HK. This you need to do research see which broker/investment firm let you do so without a local bank account/local address.

7. But so busy where got time? All application is done via normal mail/online. There's no need to fly here and there. The most is get documents verified by commsioner of oath.

8. How about exchange rate? Bank's exchange rate sucks. Yes. That's true. We have no choice but to suck up to them. Shop around for bank exchange rate. Some banks offer promo prices starting from RM5k onwards. Some RM20k onwards. You will earn back the spread eventually.

9. But SGD3k/AUD3k/HKD6k earn so little return. Everyone starts somewhere. If want quick, learn trading/put into JJPTR.

A very good eg.
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NOTE: This is not my statement. Statement belongs to Dividend Warrior (his post can be seen in the link below)

Although this guy is a SGrean earning SGD, what he say can be apply to us. Save like mad, no holiday vacations overseas That's always a tradeoff. You can't have everything in life. YOu must sacrifice something to get something. Either one save like mad and enjoy the fruits later, or give in to lifestyle inflation and work harder later on.
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Well written Bro... Jus to add more

Another area one should never forget is income tax.. A place to generate some small income on yearly basis..

The reason for me to say so is because Investing some in PRS do entitle one for 3k income tax relief... And let's say if tht individual is below the age of 30, the government will top up another 1k to his or her PRS account...

Although it sounds small amount of 1k and 700 plus tax relief a year, assume the investor below 30... In long run, on top of the returns from PRS (usually 4 to 7%)... The Total saving made is huge amount...

I don't want to indulge very detail about PRS in this ASNB thread.. Go check out PRS thread, especially @xuzen post to see the values... Tht sifu has written a good write up there which might change most of people's negative thoughts about PRS...

@ramjade agree wit me?

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post Jul 13 2017, 01:39 PM

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post Jul 13 2017, 03:46 PM

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QUOTE(alexanderclz @ Jul 13 2017, 03:28 PM)
certain points are valid, but again what is the purpose of living just to save? need to have some balance with life quality.
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Hahaha... True also..

Never forget to enjoy and live quality life but also never forget cost of living increasing drastically, inflation, currency depression..

If we want to sustain same quality of life and continue to enjoy in later days, menambung lah sekarang.... Invest la before you say I should hv started earlier... Just allocate some for investment.

EPF wil never be enough to sustain us in older days... It's not myth my brother, it's bitter truth...

And when the government can suck our blood, why not we suck some from theirs?? Take the advantage given in PRS tax relief, which wil end in 2021..

I'm not advocating PRS alone.... ASNB is also a tool..

There are plenty of platform for us.... Don't put all the eggs in one basket..

Perhaps 1 day, after 20 30 years u might be surprised all you hidden eggs worth few hundred thousand or even million...


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post Jul 14 2017, 01:59 PM

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QUOTE(heavensea @ Jul 14 2017, 01:17 PM)
Thanks bro, prs gonna do some research.

Abt fund, KGF still one of the top?
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Regarding PRS - Go to PRS thread and read

Regarding KGF - Go to FSM thread and read

All info is there, just like ASNB info in this thread..

Let's keep this thread for ASNB discussion

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post Jul 14 2017, 02:03 PM

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QUOTE(SilenTz_1993 @ Jul 14 2017, 10:18 AM)
Question to sifus in here:

I currently contribute more than the mandatory 8% for my EPF. Should I put it back to 8% and invest those into ASN instead? Point being that I may be able to use the money in ASN to invest in other things. After all, the dividend amount is quite similar. Am I right to think so?

Any comments/opinions are welcomed. Thanks! smile.gif
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Can you discipline yourself to consistently contribute the extra into ASNB every month?

First few months possible can.. Later?? End up Spending

If can don't disturb your EPF contribution..
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post Jul 14 2017, 03:30 PM

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QUOTE(SilenTz_1993 @ Jul 14 2017, 02:56 PM)
Hi, thanks for the advice. You might be right. I might have a whole lot of determination now but I might also cave it to spend on other stuffs in the future haha.

You have a great weekend ahead!  biggrin.gif
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Your are welcome..

Remain active in this thread because when you read others building up their units consistently, it wil motivate you to start your own.. Somehow you wil reduce your unnecessary expenses and start building your ASNB units...

So, leave your EPF alone... Have a great weekend too..
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post Jul 14 2017, 03:31 PM

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QUOTE(jusTinMM @ Jul 14 2017, 03:10 PM)
since register last week myasnb...everyday i try to buy 1k for as1m and asw2020 but never successful...haizzzz
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Try smaller amount
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post Jul 14 2017, 03:34 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jul 14 2017, 03:11 PM)
Guys, sorry for asking noob question. How to register and buy fund from myasnb?

I haven't really follow the procedure. I went to maybank and update my phone no. Is that all is needed? I heard something about account no and maybank people blur that need to update account no + can buy online now.

Need somewhere to park my money.laugh.gif No more eGIA-i so use this as parking.
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Go to nearby PNB office and get your account number and mobile number updated...

Then go to myasnb portal and register for first time user..

Get your username and password..

Log in and start buying...

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post Jul 14 2017, 04:41 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jul 14 2017, 04:09 PM)
I can use my my no ahli in my book right?
Correction. Topup max amount in EPF for income tax relief. Don't topup more than needed and divert the rest to amanah saham. That way, money masuk EPF, income tax also reduce. Win win situation  biggrin.gif
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Your no ahli is 12 digit? If yes can use your 12 digit no ahli to register...

If not 12 digit, must go update..
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post Jul 14 2017, 04:53 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jul 14 2017, 04:50 PM)
Abandon my amanah saham since SGD so expensive now, SGX counters also expensive, UT also so expensive. Need to find parking place...
Updated my phone no. at maybank, MyASNB protal not showing my phone no. Geram  ranting.gif
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Takes few hours to be updated in the system... Unless u did it at pnb
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post Jul 14 2017, 11:11 PM

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QUOTE(chunkia90 @ Jul 14 2017, 11:03 PM)
Hi All sifu and sigong here,

Just want to ask,

I Bought my Amanah Saham Malayia Via RHB Bank as my agent.

Let say i want to withdraw now, can i withdraw in other bank? such as CIMB.

Thank you smile.gif
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Semua agent can..

PNB office also can...
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post Jul 20 2017, 12:53 PM

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QUOTE(carloschak @ Jul 20 2017, 12:44 PM)
Sifus,

I was wondering if I want to open an account for my parents but don't want to push my luck on the availability of the units for all 3 ASx.

Is it okay if I tell the counter to purposely withdraw some from my account just to open new account for my parents ?
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Withdraw from your account then buy for your parents is not smart move.. Because after the launch of ASNB portal, units are snapped the moment it's available.. By the time you sell your and buy for your parents, it might be snapped up..

Best is to go to PNB office, they wil keep trying for your parents, some how your parents wil be able to open account without you disposing your units..

Thereafter you can help them topup through the portal..


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post Oct 24 2017, 07:20 PM

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Today plenty of units available ...

In 1st attempt sapu
5k asm
5k as1m
5k asw2020

Lately more people selling their units than acquiring units...
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post Jun 10 2018, 11:57 AM

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QUOTE(jason83 @ Jun 10 2018, 11:21 AM)
Bro, my last transaction for ASM was indeed on 14th May for 5 digits. Like I said no reason for me to lie. I'm just telling you guys that it is available if you keep trying the captcha. After 14th May I focused on buying as1m and asw. Cos quota filled for ASM already.

Edit: I went into myasnb last night to take a photo of transaction. Then found out that Lyn cannot upload photo directly. Then I thought about having to photoshop out the transaction details. Then I got malas, because I have to do all these to prove a point which doesn't benefit me? I'm just sharing ya, it's your choice to believe or not.
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ASM got quota meh?

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