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Ramjade
post Jun 20 2017, 02:35 PM

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QUOTE(Chrono-Trigger @ Jun 20 2017, 02:16 PM)
wow , looking through the website, some of the funds have very good annualized return.

How does it work actually? is it a legit platform ? and any sales/purchase/annual fee?
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Of course. It's perfectly legit. Many of us here have account with them and park some money with them too.Rather than buying from banks/agents which will charge you 5.5% service charge, FSM charges 1.75% one time charge for equities and 0.2%p.a for bond fund.

eUT charges 2% for equities fund and 1% for bond funds. When there's promo, you can buy at 0% service charge.

How it works?
Instead of using agents who "supposely handle everything for you", you yourself make the decision what to buy and when to buy. Of course you can ask customer service for help at zero cost.
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post Jun 20 2017, 03:59 PM

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QUOTE(Chrono-Trigger @ Jun 20 2017, 03:47 PM)
So if I buy bond fund from FSM, I will be charged 0.2% pa service charge? Any buy and sell charges?
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Actually they charge you 0.05% of your bond value per quarter. Since there's 4 quarters in a year, you will be charged 4x a year. The amount you pay will increase gradually as your value increases (even if you didn't topup)

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post Jun 23 2017, 10:23 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jun 23 2017, 07:38 PM)
GUys,... even if it dropped to below 6%, but still hovered above 5.5%, it's still ore than Msian FD. Where are you guys going to go to if you pull out your funds ??
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You can park in Affin Hwang Select Bond fund if you can take the decrease in liquidity.
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post Jun 23 2017, 10:36 PM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Jun 23 2017, 10:27 PM)
This could give -ve returns too, right?
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Judging from 10 years return, nope. But can lose money, yes (proof: Trump tantrum when he won the elction. All bond funds took a beating. But unlike the rest, affin hwang drop only slightly)
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post Jun 29 2017, 10:58 AM

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QUOTE(kovin @ Jun 29 2017, 10:49 AM)
Beta tested for so long, once launch down like no tomorrow!! bangwall.gif  bangwall.gif  bangwall.gif
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That's to iron out all the bugs. During beta phase, very little user server can handle. Once go public, there's a surge in users. Server tak boleh tahan so down lo.
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post Jun 29 2017, 11:27 AM

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QUOTE(vin_ann @ Jun 29 2017, 11:15 AM)
hi all sifus,

want to ask what FP stand for?

if tmr morning i go open acc and being told unable to do so is normal right?
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FP = fixed price
You need to see they try. If they straight tell you tak boleh means lying to you. Because if got unit then only can open. No unit cannot open. Whether the teller want to try for you is another thing.
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post Jun 29 2017, 01:43 PM

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QUOTE(sijee @ Jun 29 2017, 01:30 PM)
Just my luck, got my new AS1M account opened around noon today at agent bank but can't print out immediately biggrin.gif . Got the print out about 1 hour later after the teller made several calls to PNB HQ. Guess the new system(passbook-less) is slow but not down.

Which 3 of the FP can be topped up via online? What is the online URL?

Many thanks for the tips from the veterans here. Tq, tq, tq.
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ASW2020, ASM, AS1M
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post Jun 30 2017, 12:36 PM

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QUOTE(vin_ann @ Jun 30 2017, 12:32 PM)
Is ASW = ASW2020 ?

Was at ASNB Jln Tun Razak ard 10:44am
Filled up orange form, n get the number 3008

The currebt number was 3007. Waited ard 30mins only my turn.

Managed to get ASW as per slip.
Later go back try again.
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Yes.
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post Jun 30 2017, 01:12 PM

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QUOTE(vin_ann @ Jun 30 2017, 01:08 PM)
Thanks.

Just performed my first time login to the portal

I only can top up on my existing account right.
I can't invest new type acc ie AS1M or ASM right?

Newbie question. Just want to confirm.
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Once you have account you can topup any of it.
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post Jul 4 2017, 05:17 PM

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QUOTE(vin_ann @ Jul 4 2017, 05:11 PM)
today is my 3rd times trying ASM & AS1M for RM100 each...
been using the same forms repeated again n again!
just leave the date blank!
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Are you trying to topup or open account?
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post Jul 4 2017, 08:31 PM

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QUOTE(Kamen Rider @ Jul 4 2017, 08:23 PM)
read thru the past many threads, so FP units become VP units, this is scary, can they change like that, i bet there will be massive withdrawal when that time comes...

another discussion is the upcoming dividend declaration for ASW2020 , heard some one said 6.2%, i will definitely second this, of course looking for 6.6% return rate smile.gif
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Announcement will be made beforehand. No announcement = business as usual.

Insider info already said max level they will drop to is 6%. So with good 1st quarter, maybe return will be 6.1%
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post Jul 4 2017, 08:45 PM

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QUOTE(cheekily @ Jul 4 2017, 08:37 PM)
Noob question here... if I want to open amanah saham account at the bank (agent), is there any charges? Do I need to pay anything upfront? Can just open account without buying the RM100 units or not? Or when opening account need to pay/buy RM100 on the spot? So now everything is book-less, that means when open account we'll just get the print-out slip? Also, if I were to open 2 accounts ASW and ASM, then i need to fill up 2 orange form? No need blue form for opening account ya?
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No charges.
Yes you need to pay RM100 to open account. No money how to open account? brows.gif They don't let you open account with RM0 tongue.gif
Don't know what's the process now.

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post Jul 8 2017, 11:57 AM

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QUOTE(Rwjt @ Jul 8 2017, 03:26 AM)
Hi everyone i just discovered this thread recently and im absolute new to this. Does anyone mind to explain what this ASNB is and basically how it works? Thxxx
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What's there to explain?
Simple version:
Fixed price asnb funds are basically FD on steroid/hybrid FD.
Put in money, after one year you will get min 6%

Complex explaination
ASNB is a fund house. The fixed price funds you are buying are unit trust which invest solely in Malaysia stocks priced at RM1/unit.

Whether you buy or sell, it's still RM1/unit. Every year, they give you min addtion of 6% units which you can keep to compound it (grow it) or withdraw for your expenses.

Whether the fund make profit of 10% or 20%, you are only entitled to min 6%. If the fund make a loss, you are also entitle to 6% (paid out via keeping the extra of the 10-20% earlier). This is also known as reserve.
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post Jul 12 2017, 11:24 AM

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QUOTE(lowyatjoe @ Jul 12 2017, 10:36 AM)
bro's do reit give better returns than amanah's products?
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Depend on what reit. Malaysian reit, don't think so. Singapore reit yes. Easily 7-8% (now no more 8%, more of the Singpaore reits are now in the 7% range due to drastic increase in price) a year tax free dividend + capital appreciation + appreciation of SGD vs RM.
Even HK banks (use to give in the mid rage of 5%)/AU bank stocks also can beat amanah saham.

If breakeven for Malaysians stocks maybe Maybank dividend/Public Bank appreciation in price

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post Jul 12 2017, 08:37 PM

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Jul 12 2017, 08:22 PM)
Dude, SAY IS EASY.

To do is hard.

My brother in law work there for almost 18 years only can get PR. That also 2nd time application.

Nowadays AU also keep rejecting already because overflux if MY HK and CN people going there in the past 10 years. Props have been bought by PR and local is eating dust. The rule now is so so strict compared to previous year.

Unless your job is really top priority in AU, they may consider. Or else just forget it.

Migrating is an option but not a necessity YET. What we have to do now is grab the last hope to improve our nation and at the same time building strong financial foundation on your own.

Grass is always greener on the other side.

All my relative that get PR no matter which country, racial discrimination toward Asian IS ALWAYS THERE. You will get bully, looked at one kind, you name it they have it. But ofc, its just minority, still, as the time going, life isn't as good as in MY. Provided in MY you got yourself a decent job, then youre good to go.
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That may be true last time. But not anymore. Tell me can amanah saham's return keep up with today's increase in price of living? Last time before RM depreciated so badly against all currency yes, Can keep up. Today? No. Price increases faster than amanah saham returns.

Even with decent income, our purchasing power have actually gone down.
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post Jul 12 2017, 09:11 PM

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Jul 12 2017, 08:47 PM)
No one deny the cost of living is high. Depend on how you handle.

Decent job... 10k per month not decent? Not enough? Then you got problem. Not the money. Not the currency. You have that amount, but you cant make it grow...
If not decent job, around 5 or 4 k per month. Can eat dust. No comment.

If 10k still cant save, better ask for KPDNKK to teach you how to spend.
If got decent job only can proceed with your migrating dream...

You tell those fella 5k per month prepare migrate LOL

GLHF then.
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Let's give a scenario
5 years ago,
Earning RM9500, monthly essential expenses need RM1000

Now,
Earning RM10000, monthly essential expenses RM2000. (same item) That's what we are facing now. Even with increment in salary, higher cost due to depreciation of RM. Our earning power drop.

One do not need migrate. Just earning powerful foreign currency is enough to cushion the blow. USD/EUR/AUD/GBP/CAD/SGD ke semua boleh use. Have your pick. Cannot depend on amanah saham now. Last time can.

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post Jul 13 2017, 10:44 AM

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Jul 13 2017, 06:48 AM)
Don't get me wrong.
I also want to earn strong currency and spend like nobody in MY like my brother in law.
But what can I do to AU? The MY degree is just another piece of useless paper. A lot of local uni be it private or public is never recog in foreign country.
My friends one with UK engineer master but in AU can't even get a related job. Because they prefer local. Job less for 13 months now doing coal mining. High pay bit no day and night. Previously in O and G earn 18k pee months. Take all saving to AU, bought a car and almost used up during finding job. Now no u turn for him. And he's still applying for interview some job. He's lucky because his father in MY is rich fella. Keep pump money and have an apartment there. So accommodation solved....

Another clever fella go pick apple. 3 months come back earn nothing because cheated.

Maybe what I say so isolated cases. Who knows.

Your concept can't apply on a salary man 6k with kids. Monthly expenses gulp down lot and their saving just left few hundred. U think they can change to SGD or usd?

Your concept can apply on young blood no doubt.

And dude. No one will say money is enough.

No one will reject earning in strong currency.

I want to. I also have my investment in foreign exposure.

But I need to eat also.
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Ok. Let's be practical. This is a DIY for people with kids earning RM5-6k. Takkan cannot save RM1k/month? Even RM500/month also can. Even users of certain credit card can get RM600/year free of charge.
1. Have a emergency cash supply of say 2 years first. At RM1k/month = RM12k/year At RM500/month = RM6000

2. Get whole family insured with medical insurance (no need those that pay you while in hospital - get only those that cover hospital bill). This is because medical bill can wipe out one's savings unless want to stick with govt hosp. For me, I am pro govt hosp but let's not get into that. The decision is up to one to make.

3. Once have emergency cash supply, start accumulating warchest. At RM1k/month = RM12k/year At RM500/month = RM6000
Best place for emergency cash supply and war chest is amanah saham. Nothing is so liquid and give you 6% p.a
- At the same time, amanah saham is doing the heavy lifting for you of growing your money.

If don't want amanah saham, dump your money into Nestle. Give dividend + price never drop. If you look at the graph, it's practically a straight line.

4. Don't bother about applying those RM50k priority bank services as those are "nama sahaja". Don't get better forex rates. Besides by parking with the bank say FD at RM50k, one lose out to amanah saham and Nestle.

5. When salary increase/bonus datang, put it away. Do not upgrade lifestyle. Do not spend your bonus. By doing this, you DO NOT SUCCUMB to lifestyle inflation.

6. Now for the fun part. Since we are earning so little and have so little ammo, which country to invest in. Don't go pick US/EUR/UK. Why? The currency so big. Our currency so small. So what to do? Pick smaller country currency - SGD/AUD/HKD (HKD is basically only 2x our currency even though pegged to 7x USD. eg HKD10000 = ~RM5000)!!! RM still got hope.

7. What to invest? Unit trust can, dividend stocks can. ETF only for S&P500. Rest all not worth using ETF. Most of them can start with 1000 denominator (depending on what you buy)!. No need big amount. I personally invest in dividend stocks as they will be paying me in forei gn currency which I can use to pump it back when opportunity arises and further increase my dividends in the future.

8. Opening investment account need bank account/local address. Let me tell you Not necessary for country like SG/AU/HK. This you need to do research see which broker/investment firm let you do so without a local bank account/local address.

7. But so busy where got time? All application is done via normal mail/online. There's no need to fly here and there. The most is get documents verified by commsioner of oath.

8. How about exchange rate? Bank's exchange rate sucks. Yes. That's true. We have no choice but to suck up to them. Shop around for bank exchange rate. Some banks offer promo prices starting from RM5k onwards. Some RM20k onwards. You will earn back the spread eventually.

9. But SGD3k/AUD3k/HKD6k earn so little return. Everyone starts somewhere. If want quick, learn trading/put into JJPTR.

A very good eg.
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NOTE: This is not my statement. Statement belongs to Dividend Warrior (his post can be seen in the link below)
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Save like mad, no holiday vacations overseas, no car.

Invest in dividend stocks (more than 6% yield). Then re-invest the dividends. Keep doing this for 4 years.
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=58228503

Although this guy is a SGrean earning SGD, what he say can be apply to us. Save like mad, no holiday vacations overseas That's always a tradeoff. You can't have everything in life. YOu must sacrifice something to get something. Either one save like mad and enjoy the fruits later, or give in to lifestyle inflation and work harder later on.

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QUOTE(MGM @ Jul 13 2017, 11:28 AM)
Congrats, u seems to build up a lot of financial knowledge in such a short time, btw is that your SGX statement?
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Haha... I wish. It's taken from one forumer here in 2013. blush.gif I only started in Jan this year. sad.gif
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QUOTE(ganaesan @ Jul 13 2017, 01:37 PM)
Well written Bro... Jus to add more

Another area one should never forget is income tax.. A place to generate some small income on yearly basis..

The reason for me to say so is because Investing some in PRS do entitle one for 3k income tax relief... And let's say if tht individual is below the age of 30, the government will top up another 1k to his or her PRS account...

Although it sounds small amount of 1k and 700 plus tax relief a year, assume the investor below 30... In long run, on top of the returns from PRS (usually 4 to 7%)... The Total saving made is huge amount...

I don't want to indulge very detail about PRS in this ASNB thread.. Go check out PRS thread, especially @xuzen post to see the values... Tht sifu has written a good write up there which might change most of people's negative thoughts about PRS...

@ramjade agree wit them?
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I agree with Income tax. Minimize your income tax as much you can and pay lesser to govt and keep more for yourself using legal way (tax relief). Good eg is this blogger
http://singaporeanstocksinvestor.blogspot....ouble-your.html
http://singaporeanstocksinvestor.blogspot....d-donation.html

Dividends from stocks are not taxable to the individual. Neither are capital gain from unit trust/stocks biggrin.gif rclxms.gif (one good thing about being Malaysian)
Foreign source income are also not tax. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(alexanderclz @ Jul 13 2017, 03:28 PM)
certain points are valid, but again what is the purpose of living just to save? need to have some balance with life quality.
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Well that's a trade off. You want to enjoy life, you need to fork out money. For me, I prefer that companies paid for my enjoyment via their dividends so I don't need to fork out a sen! That's delay gratification.

QUOTE(ganaesan @ Jul 13 2017, 03:46 PM)
Hahaha... True also..

Never forget to enjoy and live quality life but also never forget cost of living increasing drastically, inflation, currency depression..

If we want to sustain same quality of life and continue to enjoy in later days, menambung lah sekarang.... Invest la before you say I should hv started earlier... Just allocate some for investment.

EPF wil never be enough to sustain us in older days... It's not myth my brother, it's bitter truth...

And when the government can suck our blood, why not we suck some from theirs?? Take the advantage given in PRS tax relief, which wil end in 2021..

I'm not advocating PRS alone.... ASNB is also a tool..

There are plenty of platform for us.... Don't put all the eggs in one basket..

Perhaps 1 day, after 20 30 years u might be surprised all you hidden eggs worth few hundred thousand or even million...
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Take and maximise what's available as govt are giving us tax relief, they are earning less money. Like PRS. It's supposed to continue until 2021. After that, we don't know whether it wlll be continued or not.

Anyway, ini semua OT. We should be discussing how to maximize amanah saham.

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