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post Nov 16 2017, 07:39 PM

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So far, I heard people went to Pos office and maybank to open ASNB acc.

I wonder, does anyone here opened an account successfully from alliance bank?

I plan to open asm or as1m.


Still, any advice on this? Better to put all in ASW or opened other 2 and split my funds to all three?
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post Nov 16 2017, 10:55 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Nov 16 2017, 08:02 PM)
Alliance bank only for variable price funds

As for the advice.. Better have 3 than 1 only.. U get 3x divided per year 😁😁
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Oh I see. Luckily I asked. I planned to go for
alliance bank haha

But the 3x dividend per year, how you calculate?

If I have MYR 600, I throw all to ASW with interest of 3% on dividend.



Is it the same amount of dividend I earned , If I throw MYR200 to each fixed funds and they all have the same 3%?
QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Nov 16 2017, 08:48 PM)
same same... no diff. put one better la. don't waste time on trying opening new one
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QUOTE(veera77 @ Nov 16 2017, 09:42 PM)
i used to have only ASW2020 like u (opened during launching)..
But later opened other two as advised by ASNB staff to increase chances to get unit (this is before zaman MyASNB)...
With MyASNB nowadays, one or three doesn’t matter much..unless u plan to put really big amount (6 digits)..

On dividend, ASW2020 always lead other two funds..due to more matured fund..

Only advance to hv 3 ASx is 3x dividend...Only if this really matter for u..
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I see. Thank you so much on the opinions. I am still confused on 3x dividends.sweat.gif


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post Nov 17 2017, 03:52 PM

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[quote=veera77,Nov 16 2017, 11:09 PM]
Dividend date:
ASW2020 - 1sept
AS1M - 1 oct
ASM - 1april

If u have rm30,000...and put rm10,000 in each ASx. Let say dividend is 6% for all ASx

1sept..u get RM600 fr ASW
1oct...u get RM600 fr AS1M
1april..u get RM600 fr ASM

But if u put all 30k in ASW, then u get RM1,800 on 1sept every year.
I see. Thank you so much on the opinions. I am still confused on 3x dividends.sweat.gif
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[quote=Ancient-XinG-,Nov 17 2017, 01:12 PM]
I am serious...

if you have the time to try open. do it.

if you think its troublesome, focus on one.

its the same afterall.
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Totally understand. Thank you so much notworthy.gif

SO in a nutshell, the more mature the fund, the higher yield it has, hence ASW -> ASM -> AS1M.

Am I right?
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QUOTE(savvyaunty @ Nov 17 2017, 04:00 PM)
for 2017, all 3 funds paid 6% dividend so the yield is basically the same for 2017. I personally split my money equally into 2 portions based on their dividend payout. 50% in ASM and 50% in ASW+AS1M. That way I get roughly same amount of dividend in March and Sept/Oct
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I see. Thank you so much for your willingness to share it with me.


QUOTE(nbafans99 @ Nov 17 2017, 04:09 PM)
May I ask how can I invest ASM or AS1M in myASNB since it only has "Additional Investment" for ASW?
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I think you need to open the other 2 accounts separately in order for you to be able to invest into ASM or AS1M. Since you just opened ASW, hence you can only invest into ASW for now.

Correct me if I am wrong. smile.gif
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[quote=Ancient-XinG-,Nov 18 2017, 07:24 AM]
Totally understand. Thank you so much notworthy.gif

SO in a nutshell, the more mature the fund, the higher yield it has, hence ASW -> ASM -> AS1M.

Am I right?
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not necessary. Its depend on the market and the dividend date.

If so ngam that Q1 Q2 perform well, ASW will slight up abit.

If Q3 Q4 Q1 bad, ASM baseline 6% only.
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[quote=nexona88,Nov 18 2017, 08:07 AM]
Not really...
The dividend difference between the funds is actually not wide.. Its almost same...

Only difference is mature funds have stronger financial & demand from unit holders / people.. Thus u see ASW is the hardest to get units 😀😀
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thank you so much.. i still have a lot to learn from you all notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Nov 19 2017, 12:22 PM)
No problems..

Btw MasBoleh! u really failed in multi quote reply..
Don't do if u not sure how 😴😴
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Not I failed. I think got some problem with the LYN.
I have been trolling in /k since 2008, I won't failed multi quote.
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post Dec 1 2017, 02:45 PM

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QUOTE(veera77 @ Nov 29 2017, 10:55 PM)
If anyone fail get ASW, ASM, AS1M, at bank...the bank officer with big smile come to you and nicely send you to bank ‘Financial Advisor’ to sell you ASG and ASN tongue.gif

Professional scammer..he he
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yaya .. yesterday I went to Maybank at my hometown, they refused to help me open ASM account. They said now ASM already closed and cannot open an account. However, if i got an account already then they can help me check got unit available or not. Pure BS !

Then kept on pushing me to buy ASG. The so called 'Financial Advisor' told me that the interest rate has been very stable 6% all the times.. and it is expected to rise till 7% because crude oil price are expected to increase continually. sweat.gif

So I was rather skeptical and told him i will go back and read about it. They don't even wanna tell me the fixed and non-fixed fund thingy.

But why they wanna sell ASG and ASN? They will get commission if we opt for that? or? Because i thought they are just an agent, that's why they gain nothing when we open account and so on at their branch. Or this only applies to the fixed fund? hmm.gif
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post Dec 1 2017, 06:18 PM

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QUOTE(veera77 @ Dec 1 2017, 03:35 PM)
There will be 5% charges when u buy VP funds...may be the agent will get some commission that's why so excited to sell VP funds..

yes..they will tell all nice stories..but actually VP is just another Unit Trust by PNB with fluctuating NAV..but the agent won’t tell this directly...will run around the bush and make us confused sad.gif

Many fallen to this including some of my friends sad.gif
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I am sorry, VP stand for what? sweat.gif

So is it safe to say all the non-fixed are unit trust from PNB?

Seem like a bad investment. Although I did check the price per unit is around MYR 1.00+ to 0.99. Just that the interest rate drop to 4%+ this year sweat.gif


QUOTE(Ramjade @ Dec 1 2017, 04:58 PM)
Asb and asb2 memang no problem. 
BTW don't ever use bank as banks will charge yrm1.06/try regardless successful or not.  Myasnb let you topup without charging anything.
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Wow sweat! I didn't know bank got charges on this. sweat.gif
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post Dec 1 2017, 07:07 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Dec 1 2017, 06:50 PM)
VP means variable price fund. Which means the price is not fixed to rm1/unit. It can fluctuates. All funds from asnb are unit trust some which some are fixed to rm1/unit and some are not.

Haha... That's why never use banks to buy. They are blood suckers.
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I see. I call I it non fixed fund usually haha.

But then all these VP normally the price per unit ver close to rm 1 or above rm 1. So I am curious or perhaps I would like to hear some advice from Sifu-Sifu that all these VP fund ignored the interest rates also 6% + which is close to fixed fund, is it still a bad investment? hmm.gif

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post Dec 2 2017, 02:50 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Dec 1 2017, 07:27 PM)
Ignore those 6-7% as dividends/distributions in variable price funds means nothing. It's basically left pocket enter right pocket. However to the uninitiated, these 6-7% are like gold which all agents will market to you (regardless of fund house).

Variable price fund from asnb is useless
1) you will be charge >5% upfront when you buy (due to GST,  before this 5%). The fund needs to make >5%+ in one year just to break even. That's why we buy our UT from FSM,  bypassing the 5%+ service charge.
2) better funds exist when you compare same region (asnb vp fund invest fully in bursa).  Compare it to Kenanga Growth Fund  (which invest in bursa also)
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Initially I was puzzled when I read about your reply just now. I thought the 5% upfront charges only applied once when we open an account.

So just reached home and I went to read about it only to realize that every single time, purchase will kena charge 5% walao wei..

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Selling and buying of unit is at NAV per unit. Upon purchase of units, a sales charge of 5% per unit will be imposed.


I see. Thank you so much for telling me notworthy.gif

QUOTE(ch_leong @ Dec 1 2017, 10:57 PM)
you need to do more research on other funds if you want VP fund. So many fund out there providing various return and different combination.
One way to start is by reading materials in FundSupermart. You can check out the fundsupermart thread.
I did park some $$ into VP fund under PRS category to claim income tax deduction.
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I thought the PRS category, the government just provide RM 1k? hmm.gif

I seriously still got much to learn and research. Still, thank you all for the inputs and willingness to share notworthy.gif
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post Dec 3 2017, 03:18 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Dec 2 2017, 07:24 AM)
That's true.  Only if you are below 30 years old.  If you are above 30 years old,  no free RM1k for you. Also it's a one time Payout.

You put PRS so that you pay less tax. Which means max is rm3k/year. Once the tax incentive is not there (after 2021), no need to contribute.
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I see. Thank you so much sifu!
QUOTE(nexona88 @ Dec 3 2017, 11:29 AM)
Saw in newspaper yesterday..
One fellow complain about the passbookless upgrade thingy..

Says, if can print on piece of paper, why not on the passbook where everyone have it!!! Btw he / she updating as1m..

From this statement.. I can sense the person don't know about myasnb... So I could says, it failure on asnb part.. Why?? Because lack of promotion & education roadshow on myasnb...

Many don't even know the existence of myasnb.. They only know about the online banking which cost u every single transaction regardless successful or failed attempt...

Even here in lowyat, u can see people asking.. Many only know about online banking solution, but don't know about myasnb..
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Well, Maybank branches have myasbn thingy instruction and information printed on the brochures. But their staffs don’t bother to inform and explain. Then, a lot of Malaysian don’t bother to read or some can’t read.

So there you go. smile.gif
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Dec 3 2017, 06:22 PM)
Hmm got such thing printed meh??
How come I didn't see it..

Later next week I go see 😁
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I think not all the branches, just a simple brochure with instruction and explanation haha

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QUOTE(MGM @ Dec 8 2017, 11:39 AM)
Not this. Evonne2016 was saying those ASG units she redeemed in Nov 2017 will still earn dividend for the period of April-Oct2017 when dividend is paid out on April2018. This only works for fixed priced ASx.
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redeemed in this context means? sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Dec 9 2017, 09:46 AM)
Redeem = withdraw
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QUOTE(savvyaunty @ Dec 13 2017, 08:28 PM)
Never too late to get started. 26 now and I only started saving 2 years after working.
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Dec 13 2017, 08:37 PM)
Glad I never fall into any YOLO trap. Steady since my school days. Rich dad, poor dad and Gen-X was my mentor.
It's never too late. Everyone starts small.
The sleeping devil is a blogger who is fresh out from school, not working yet but he's investing every bit he can.
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QUOTE(raptar_eric @ Dec 15 2017, 12:04 PM)
its never too late to start saving! 29 this year, have reached the 6 figure mark in ASx... when i was 23-25, every week partying like no tomorrow, pay cheque all went to credit card... few years down the road, realize thats not the life i want to have...

started saving super hard, pumping all the excess money i have into mbb gia prior to this, now into asx... once in awhile still chasing gadgets, but finally manage to let it go.. not changing to iphone x tongue.gif

everyone needs to start somewhere... end of the day, its all bout discipline, determination, and the future we want to have... im a very OCD person, so i wont withdraw the funds to maintain it at 6 figure..... i use around 1k ish ringgit only per month, petrol food entertainment.... rest of my salary all goes into house, insurance, asx....

everyone can do it, if they are determined wink.gif
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I am 25 this year. Only got ASW now and is less than MYR 1k in the account sweat.gif So far, I have not YOLO well.. got
YOLO a bit lah but not excessive haha.

Maybe due to my puny salary, I am having hard time trying to get extra to throw in to ASNB. I am surprised to see many people here able to throw in until 6 figures. Like the post above, 29 years old only but got 6 figures in ASBN yet he was YOLO-ing when he was 23-25 (my current age) .

Sometime I wonder how can I increase my income to achieve such extraordinary figure. For me 6 figures of saving is extraordinary.. hopefully sifu-sifu can provide some insight for me. notworthy.gif

QUOTE(yahiko @ Dec 14 2017, 01:05 PM)
Manage to open remaining 2aac. Questions.  Look at the % today..  Seem not much different among the 3(asw.asm.as1m)

Wise to move out 1 to another?
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Where you managed to open the other 2 acc? smile.gif

QUOTE(savvyaunty @ Dec 14 2017, 04:12 PM)
Next year got RM200 in AS1M (non-bumi). No hassle to open AS1M account.
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This 1 is the one government announced in budget 20178 for indians only?
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Dec 17 2017, 06:33 PM)
That's because they keep until few years already.  If you can put in RM10 a month,  that's RM12k/year which is = RM720/year free money.

Now, how to get more money?
- cut down on your wants.  Eg. of wants
Movies, Spotify, Netflix,  iFlix, Starbucks, mcd , pizza,  beers, that brand new phone, that smart watch.
- cut back on expenses
Streamyx/unifi,  -  who needs that when both digi and umobile offering cheaper unlimited packages? aircon and astro is a luxury. 
- get the cheapest car
You don't need a Honda or Toyota. Just choose Asia or bezza
- use credit card wisely
With the right cards and discipline, banks will be working for you instead of you working for the banks
- choose between FD or amanah saham
Unless you are loaded, you can only pick one to get the best rate. I choose amanah saham over FD. Hence I moved all my FD into amanah saham.

Keep that up for 5 years, already > RM60k

These are some of the examples I stretch my RM.
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Well, I see. For now I think i can save MYR 1k per month to throw into ASBN. However, I plan to buy house, that's why my saving sort of split into 2 sweat.gif

By the way, i currently got 10k stuck in FD also sweat.gif
QUOTE(alexanderclz @ Dec 17 2017, 06:52 PM)
what they mentioned are only guides. u cant compare one who earns 10k a month with another who earns 2.5k a month. also depends whether u have others dependent on u or no commitment. perhaps a better method is to compare percentage instead of total amount.
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I truly understand about this. I just curious and wanted to know how they managed to do it. Or what sort of advice will all the sifu-sifu give notworthy.gif

QUOTE(yahiko @ Dec 17 2017, 07:12 PM)
I went to asnb counter instead of bank.  They have more free time to try to open.  Just bring  rm100 for each account u want to open.  N tell them what account u want to open.  Tell them try sampai dapat smile.gif it takes time depends on unit available so go during ur free time..
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I see. No wonder. Thank you biggrin.gif

QUOTE(raptar_eric @ Dec 17 2017, 07:29 PM)
Totally agree. One can earn 10k but save only 1k, and one can earn 3k but save 1k. So dont compare amount. There are alot ppl that is alot more wealthier than us, so we live and save what we can.

For me, after deducting my commitments, i save almost 60-70% of whatever i have left. Unless eating out with wifey, sometimes during working hours i always eat cheap food, etc. Go for mamak teh ais instead of starbucks n all..

Its the discipline we want to achieve, not so much bout comparing amount. Start small, slowly grow. If we dont start, we can NEVER reach. My humble 2 cents
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This is what I am doing. Living frugally, no starbuck, no cinema etc. But I can achive this because I am currently single. If I have a gf, all these thing may be very hard to achieve. You also know lah.. all the girls around my age which is gen-y.. the temptation is too damn high. sweat.gif Especially travelling...

QUOTE(Trulyasia@ @ Dec 17 2017, 07:41 PM)
Your road still long to go. I already old. Going to start by now. So that at least I have some money when i old. My salary not high but I don't know why I always not enough to use
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You only 29 right? Few years ahead of me only... said until so old sweat.gif

You got keep track of your money or not? Every single cents I spent, i manually key-in into an app to keep track. Then every month I will throw the figures into my excel. So I know how much earn, how much I spent.. where I spent.

You need to start do this 1st smile.gif


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QUOTE(OPT @ Dec 17 2017, 07:37 PM)
Strange...

When I write, no one reply...

MasBoleh! had equal same number of ⭐️ as me...
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I think it's more towards to your question style. The number of stars doesn't matter.

QUOTE(veera77 @ Dec 17 2017, 07:52 PM)
Agree 100%.

Saving depending on lifestyle not your salary.

Currently, I’m working oversea, many email me to ask about salary market rate which i easily can reply.

But some also ask, how much they could save..which i normally answer ‘all depending your lifestyle’..
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Well, at least you planned for your children.. which is a good thing.

I am trying to achieve a balance, means I don't live too frugally, able to go to cinema, travelling.. etc yet able to have a portion going to ASBN.

I remember I read about an advice somewhere, pretty popular one.. having not enough money is not to save, because everyone can save money but to increase the income. Because increasing the income is the hard part
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Dec 17 2017, 10:26 PM)
You need to transfer this to amanah saham once matured.

Regarding your house, just dump into amanah saham first until you are ready to buy. The extra returns will help. When you are ready, just withdraw out what you need. After all amanah saham can be withdraw on the spot. There's the beauty.
That's partially true. But no point if you increase income but your expenses increases with it also.

That's why first step is
1) save > 50% of your salary consistently

2) step as mentioned above. Expenses is fixed at say rm1k/month.
3) think of ways to increase income
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I see. Noted. Thank you so much for the advice again notworthy.gif

I must say, it's hard to save > 50%. Perhaps because now my salary quite low, first job.. that's why. I actually haven't been drinking starbucks or going to cinema for a while.

Will see how when my salary increase later.

Really appreciate that a lot.
QUOTE(veera77 @ Dec 18 2017, 12:30 AM)
Yup agree with your points...no point saving too much in ASx compromising a lot on basic human psychological needs like travelling.

Travelling is an investment. Its worth to spend some of your earning for travelling every year. U ‘see’ a lot iof things, people, and job/business opportunity during travelling.

Investment doesn’t always go down to dollar and sen. To gain Experience and skills need investment of time.

In similiar kind of books u quoted...remember read also that..”Everyone given 1,440 minutes per day, to invest wisely”
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I concur with you on the travelling part. My 1st travel to oversea really open out my mind. But been some time since i last travel.. cannot afford to, then with saving+ investment, it's gonna be very tough. Seem like need a 2nd job to reach this goal of mine.

Yea, sorry Ramjade, can't really totally forego the travelling part. sweat.gif

Sorry to TS and the rest as well. Now back to the ASBN topic.

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QUOTE(eymc @ Dec 18 2017, 01:52 PM)
Ramjade - pls elaborate ,still noob on abreviation  asg & asn3 ?
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I helped you searched back the advice from some sifu regarding to your question. Like they said, just don't opt for it. smile.gif

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QUOTE(Trulyasia@ @ Dec 18 2017, 07:20 AM)
What app u use to calculate? Maybe I need to try. Is considered old. Next year 30 years old. People like my age all mostly have own house and some savings. I'm still in small debt and living with parents
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Later I PM you haha.

QUOTE(nexona88 @ Dec 18 2017, 09:03 AM)
Wah just one night I missed..
So much post..

Good discussion.. But its kinda Off Topic ya..

Please back to topic 😑
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Just wanna ask, do we have a whatsapp group or something for this?

by the way, I just realize ASBN office got opened every Saturday of the 3rd week, and last saturday was the day doh.gif

there are very few ASBN branches haha.. KL alone only 1 HQ and Selangor got 2 only. Really good in keeping the cost minimum haha.
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Dec 18 2017, 09:31 PM)
Don't thinks there's WA group available hmm.gif

Yeah.. Every 3 third Saturday open 🙏 easy for those busy people to open up new account
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QUOTE(55665566 @ Dec 18 2017, 09:42 PM)
interested in joining such WA group too
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QUOTE(veera77 @ Dec 18 2017, 11:08 PM)
Whatapps group nowaday is more private...not suitable for public forum...very difficult to control and manage..furthermore admin is legally responsible for any offences made in the group...sad.gif

This forum is very suitable for public discussion...everybody are anonymous and free to give their opinion and information.
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I see. Thought of wanna form a whatsapp group or something. But you got a point biggrin.gif

By the way, where can I park my car at the Menara PNB?

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