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 Ultimate Discussion of ASNB (47457-V)发 8ight 发, Wholly owned subsidary of PNB (38218-X)

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Jinglexo
post Feb 3 2017, 09:33 PM

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QUOTE(plumberly @ Feb 3 2017, 09:26 PM)
That is the million dollar question.

I was trying to find out what happened to Greece's EPF equivalent, did the account holders manage to get their capital? No answer yet. That will give me some idea of this govt monetary game they play. Trustee or not, that will not keep ASX 100% fail safe.

My take is, if the govt is really in that situation, then many other financial institutions will be in similar situation, most will be in even worst situation as the govt can do this and that with their magic hands to stay afloat.

Don't just put money in there (or any other places blindly). For ASX, keep yourself up to date on what is happening with ASX. Eg are they going to change from FP to VP? Sign of trouble ahead. I will get out within 1-2 days if the news is confirmed.

Keep your eyes and ears open for other secure investments with good returns. Do lots of study. Then park some $$$ there.

I know a friend who has invested some $ with 20% return every month! AND HE HAS BEEN DOING THAT FOR OVER A YEAR NOW! Too good to be true and I prefer to stay away from that.

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Yes. It makes sense a lot. A trustee is of no use as what the gov can do like 1mdb. By the way u said changed from fp to vp , what does that mean?
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post Feb 3 2017, 09:48 PM

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QUOTE(Jinglexo @ Feb 3 2017, 09:33 PM)
Yes. It makes sense a lot. A trustee is of no use as what the gov can do like 1mdb. By the way u said changed from fp to vp , what does that mean?
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Which means changing from RM1/unit to normal UT (variable price). ASNB have bad record with variable price fund.
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post Feb 3 2017, 10:06 PM

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QUOTE(Jinglexo @ Feb 3 2017, 09:04 PM)
I notice early birds easily get. I mean when the agent banks open for business.
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Well that's true also...
Another time is on ex dividend..
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post Feb 4 2017, 07:55 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 3 2017, 09:48 PM)
Which means changing from RM1/unit to normal UT (variable price). ASNB have bad record with variable price fund.
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I see. Yeah. that will see our holdings reduce tremendously if the fund perform badly right?
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post Feb 4 2017, 08:20 AM

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QUOTE(Jinglexo @ Feb 4 2017, 07:55 AM)
I see. Yeah. that will see our holdings reduce tremendously if the fund perform badly right?
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Precisely. That's why must moniter.
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post Feb 4 2017, 08:35 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 4 2017, 08:20 AM)
Precisely. That's why must moniter.
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Is it much convenient to have may bank saving acc? Assume I am convenient to drop by may bank each time for top up/ buy new units? Would it be easier they Striaght deduct from there ? Coz I dislike hassle fill up many forms 😂
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QUOTE(Jinglexo @ Feb 4 2017, 08:35 AM)
Is it much convenient to have may bank saving acc? Assume I am convenient to drop by may bank each time for top up/ buy new units? Would it be easier they Striaght deduct from there ? Coz I dislike hassle fill up many forms 😂
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Yes and no. Yes because straight deduct but you need to fill in 2 forms tongue.gif (ASNB deposit form, maybank withdrawal form). No because Maybank is not the best place to topup.
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QUOTE(Jinglexo @ Feb 4 2017, 08:35 AM)
Is it much convenient to have may bank saving acc? Assume I am convenient to drop by may bank each time for top up/ buy new units? Would it be easier they Striaght deduct from there ? Coz I dislike hassle fill up many forms 😂
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Suggest u open affin bank account & top up there too..
Many said it's the best place to do transactions rclxms.gif
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post Feb 4 2017, 10:20 AM

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QUOTE(plumberly @ Feb 3 2017, 09:26 PM)

Don't just put money in there (or any other places blindly). For ASX, keep yourself up to date on what is happening with ASX. Eg are they going to change from FP to VP? Sign of trouble ahead. I will get out within 1-2 days if the news is confirmed.

Keep your eyes and ears open for other secure investments with good returns. Do lots of study. Then park some $$$ there.

I know a friend who has invested some $ with 20% return every month! AND HE HAS BEEN DOING THAT FOR OVER A YEAR NOW! Too good to be true and I prefer to stay away from that.

All the best.
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thumbsup.gif

some said asx is risk free. doh.gif

some said certain ut good returns. wait till bad times. a matter of risk return relationship. how smart you take advantage when return is good, before it becomes BAD.
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post Feb 4 2017, 10:38 AM

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QUOTE(sandkoh @ Feb 4 2017, 10:20 AM)
thumbsup.gif

some said asx is risk free. doh.gif

some said certain ut good returns. wait till bad times. a matter of risk return relationship. how smart you take advantage when return is good, before it becomes BAD.
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I bought some UTs in the 1990's as I was a novice in investment (and still am). Share then was too difficult/risky for me beside IPO. Made some easy money with IPO then, Even my mother and little sister have made some money in IPO then.

Now I will stay away from UT with a 999 km pole as most of them are there to make money for the companies. Yes, there are some UTs which have produced good/fantastic returns. What I hate most on UT is the yearly charge REGARDLESS of whether their UT is making money or not!

Lots of books I read also raise issues like this and recommend to stay clear from UT. I have to admit, I still have PM UT for my PRS. Got that mainly for the tax benefits.

Learnt of a new vehicle ETF which is a bit like to UT but without most of the charges. There is a forum here on ETF. Surveys show that most UT performed lower than index funds. Why pay these UT managers while their share selections are not really that good? ETF centers on index funds with the added diversification automatically built into them.

Study on ETF and then decide.

All the best.

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QUOTE(plumberly @ Feb 4 2017, 10:38 AM)
I bought some UTs in the 1990's as I was a novice in investment (and still am). Share then was too difficult/risky for me beside IPO. Made some easy money with IPO then, Even my mother and little sister have made some money in IPO then.

Now I will stay away from UT with a 999 km pole as most of them are there to make money for the companies. Yes, there are some UTs which have produced good/fantastic returns. What I hate most on UT is the yearly charge REGARDLESS of whether their UT is making money or not!

Lots of books I read also raise issues like this and recommend to stay clear from UT. I have to admit, I still have PM UT for my PRS. Got that mainly for the tax benefits.

Learnt of a new vehicle ETF which is a bit like to UT but without most of the charges. There is a forum here on ETF. Surveys show that most UT performed lower than index funds. Why pay these UT managers while their share selections are not really that good? ETF centers on index funds with the added diversification automatically built into them.

Study on ETF and then decide.

All the best.
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ETFs need deep pockets as it's based on the US mostly. They will charge us 30% on dividends alone. Heck even if you can get around the 30% dividend, you will get slap with 15% tax on dividends (if buy from LSE)
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QUOTE(plumberly @ Feb 4 2017, 10:38 AM)
I bought some UTs in the 1990's as I was a novice in investment (and still am). Share then was too difficult/risky for me beside IPO. Made some easy money with IPO then, Even my mother and little sister have made some money in IPO then.

Now I will stay away from UT with a 999 km pole as most of them are there to make money for the companies. Yes, there are some UTs which have produced good/fantastic returns. What I hate most on UT is the yearly charge REGARDLESS of whether their UT is making money or not!

Lots of books I read also raise issues like this and recommend to stay clear from UT. I have to admit, I still have PM UT for my PRS. Got that mainly for the tax benefits.

Learnt of a new vehicle ETF which is a bit like to UT but without most of the charges. There is a forum here on ETF. Surveys show that most UT performed lower than index funds. Why pay these UT managers while their share selections are not really that good? ETF centers on index funds with the added diversification automatically built into them.

Study on ETF and then decide.

All the best.
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tq uncle for honest statement. notworthy.gif thumbup.gif

This post has been edited by sandkoh: Feb 4 2017, 11:44 AM
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post Feb 4 2017, 12:42 PM

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QUOTE(plumberly @ Feb 4 2017, 10:38 AM)
I bought some UTs in the 1990's as I was a novice in investment (and still am). Share then was too difficult/risky for me beside IPO. Made some easy money with IPO then, Even my mother and little sister have made some money in IPO then.

Now I will stay away from UT with a 999 km pole as most of them are there to make money for the companies. Yes, there are some UTs which have produced good/fantastic returns. What I hate most on UT is the yearly charge REGARDLESS of whether their UT is making money or not!

Lots of books I read also raise issues like this and recommend to stay clear from UT. I have to admit, I still have PM UT for my PRS. Got that mainly for the tax benefits.

Learnt of a new vehicle ETF which is a bit like to UT but without most of the charges. There is a forum here on ETF. Surveys show that most UT performed lower than index funds. Why pay these UT managers while their share selections are not really that good? ETF centers on index funds with the added diversification automatically built into them.

Study on ETF and then decide.

All the best.
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I was into Options with >10% return for months. But did not last long. Was hit about 1 year later and not only lose all the gains and even more !!

So those that say the good things about UT have to be aware. All investments have risk, be it UT, stocks, options etc.

Your frank statements here are very much refreshing ! notworthy.gif
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post Feb 4 2017, 05:04 PM

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All in all statements.....


All under RISK APPETITE.

you can cushion shock, or cant that's the problem.

If one cant cushion any shock, go for FD only la
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post Feb 5 2017, 06:41 PM

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Anybody hunting units tomorrow?
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QUOTE(wu ming @ Feb 5 2017, 06:41 PM)
Anybody hunting units tomorrow?
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everyday sure got ppl hunt. whether or not successful is another story
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It's all depend on staff helpfulness & unit availability.
Not forgetting right timing too blush.gif
Location also play part...
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post Feb 6 2017, 01:55 PM

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Gong xi gong xi.

Wah thus new thread start without notice. I was wondering so quiet n saw the thread closed at the bottom.

Hope it really a huat huat year.
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post Feb 6 2017, 02:16 PM

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Any luck today?
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post Feb 6 2017, 06:32 PM

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Didn't managed to get any funds with AS1M and ASW today, tired of trying.

Am thinking to invest in properties already.

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