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post Mar 30 2017, 07:30 AM

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If you are taking meds, make sure you check your liver and kidney function periodically. Certain meds are good enough to surpress your primary problem but may cause secondary issue in the long run..
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post Mar 30 2017, 08:41 AM

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cheer up TS,

you can be diabetes and still hot.

Nick Jonas, Type I DM, singer actor. I read he is on some automated insulin pump - omnipod

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post Mar 30 2017, 09:25 AM

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QUOTE(GBH @ Mar 30 2017, 07:50 AM)
btw if any side of your kidneyhurts...that means sugar over load liao...me too is diabetic since age 27... now 34 liao.
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Is regular urination at night is a symptom of diabetes?
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QUOTE(GBH @ Mar 30 2017, 09:26 AM)
nope....bcause drinkalot of water make u urine alot too
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Hmm, because I urine a lot at night.. kinda worrying as well or it could be urinary retention..
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QUOTE(JeweL_ @ Feb 16 2017, 04:13 PM)
Hi guys. Just finish see doctor. She said one month ago when I was newly discovered, my hb1ac is 11.5

Today is 8.8... Kidney, hormones all OK. And changing my metformin to metformin xr.

She say I can finish my current medicine, 2 x 850 in the morning. 1 x 850 in the evening. So after finish this I will eat metformin xr in the morning only.
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I'm sorry I did not notice your threat earlier.
To be frank, single anti-diabetic agent for a case of HbA1c of 11.5% may not be enough. You may need a second agent (if you are rich enough, you can try newer agents like sitagliptin, empagliflozin etc). If you are started with diamicron (gliclazide), daonil (glibenclamide), etc, please do find out what are the symptoms of hypoglycemia (low sugar). Low sugar for prolonged duration can cause serious complication which may be fatal.

Metformin is an old drug, but it is excellent for Type 2 diabetes. It mainly acts on your liver to suppress gluconeogenesis (making sugar from other source, e.g. fats and proteins). It also improve your insulin sensitivity (FYI, Type 2 diabetes is mainly due to insulin resistance in contrast to Type 1 diabetes which is insulin depletion/production failure). It is known to cause diarrhoea especially when you were started with high dose straightaway. You may try the Metformin-XR, the diarrhoea side effect is not as prominent.

There are a listful of complications in diabetes. You can refer to various health websites. It can affect your heart, your brain, your kidneys etc. The problematic ones are microvascular (affecting small vessels). These include diabetic retinopathy (which affects small vessels of your eyes that can eventually lead to blindness), diebetic nephropathy (which affects your kidneys and leads to kidney failure), and diabetic neuropathy (which affects any of your nerves). Diabetic retinopathy usually occurs first: it may occur even before a person being diagnosed with diabetes. The treatment is usually photocoagulation (laser to your retina). Diabetic nephropathy usually occurs 10 years from the diagnosis. Blood test for kidney function does not exclude you to have kidney involvement. It is an urine test for microalbumin that tells you so (albulin/protein usually doesn't leak out from urine. The detection of protein in urine indicates your kidney may not be functioning properly). In the early stage of proteinuria (protein in the urine) it is easily reversible by controlling your diabetes. However once blood for kidney function (mainly your urea and creatinine) become abnormal, it will not be reversible. Thus, a good control of your blood sugar is utmost important as kidney faiure is a serious complication which need lifelong dialysis/transplant.

Diabetic neuropathy is also another important complication of diabetes. I'm sure you definitely have heard of a diabetic patient who has a bad wound of his/her leg which eventually need to be amputated. It is actually a manisfestation of diabetes affecting your pain sensation of your foot and toes. Long term uncontrolled blood sugar will definitely damage your nerve endings (receptors). Affected people may not feel any pain when they've injury to their foot/toes. The moment they realized the injury, it has already been infected. Furthermore high blood sugar retards body's white blood cell to fight against infection. Eventually infection won.
Another manifestation of diabetic neuropathy is autonomic neuropathy: your blood pressure may drop when you get up from lying/sitting as a result you may feel dizzy/blackout. You might encounter a silent heart attack. You might get severe vomiting (gastroparesis), difficulty in swallowing or even diarrhoea. You might have erectile dysfunction (your kukubird cannot stand up) if you are a guy, urinary incontinence.

Keto diet may not be sole answer for non-pharmacological (method other than taking medicine) approach to your diabetic control. You will need a proper meal with proper timing. I know it is difficult to comply with diet especially timing. Breakfast is important as it is the main energy source of your day after you have fasted since last meal the night before. Skipping breakfast may not help in your diabetes and may retard your diabetes control. You may try 2 slice of bread (whichever type of bread you like provided no added sugar), any diabetic jam or butter, a cup of milk tea (no sugar) and take your metformin after your breakfast. Try to take your breakfast before 10am.
You can have your lunch at 12pm-2pm. I would advise plate method, i.e. half of your plate is vegetables (green leafy vegetables, and not those fake meat or starchy vegetables), a quater plate of protein (tofu, chicken or any meat), a quater plate for carbohydrates (rice, roti, or noodles). Take vegetables first, then protein and lastly carbohydrate. Vegetable can fill up your stomach first and usually take long time to leave your stomach.
Your dinner should be kept small in portion and should take it early (i.e. not after than 9pm): you don't need so much energy at night and it's sleep time soon. You can take few pieces of biscuits (usually not more than 4), a cup of milk or tea. You may follow the same plate method as your lunch, but definitely much more smaller portion. You should take your metformin after your dinner.
It is okay to take snack between major meals. You can take a piece of medium sized green apple, or 1 slice of bread, or 2 pieces of biscuits. As long as it is no more than a carbohydrate exchange (you can search from web what is a carbohydrate exchange).

You will DEFINITELY need to visit a dietitian to help you out in personalize your diet. (you can request to be referred when you visit your doctor)

Exercise is also very important to control your sugar. It not only uses up the remaining sugar as energy, but also improve your insulin sensitivity. A moderate exercise of 30-60 minutes at least 3 times a week is minimum. Moderate exercise means any exercises which cause you to be a little breathless (but you still can speak in full sentence), and you can feel your heart beating. Sweating is not included in a criteria of moderate exercise. You may jog, run, brisk walk, cycle etc. If you have knee problem, alternatively you may try walking in a swimming pool (water level not higher than your nipple line). Water in the swimming pool may reduce the burden of gravity to your knees.

Finally, I hope you can control your sugar well.

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QUOTE(sjr @ Mar 30 2017, 11:49 PM)
I'm sorry I did not notice your threat earlier.
To be frank, single anti-diabetic agent for a case of HbA1c of 11.5%  may not be enough. You may need a second agent (if you are rich enough, you can try newer agents like sitagliptin, empagliflozin etc). If you are started with diamicron (gliclazide), daonil (glibenclamide), etc, please do find out what are the symptoms of hypoglycemia (low sugar). Low sugar for prolonged duration can cause serious complication which may be fatal.

Metformin is an old drug, but it is excellent for Type 2 diabetes. It mainly acts on your liver to suppress gluconeogenesis (making sugar from other source, e.g. fats and proteins). It also improve your insulin sensitivity (FYI, Type 2 diabetes is mainly due to insulin resistance in contrast to Type 1 diabetes which is insulin depletion/production failure). It is known to cause diarrhoea especially when you were started with high dose straightaway. You may try the Metformin-XR, the diarrhoea side effect is not as prominent.

There are a listful of complications in diabetes. You can refer to various health websites. It can affect your heart, your brain, your kidneys etc. The problematic ones are microvascular (affecting small vessels). These include diabetic retinopathy (which affects small vessels of your eyes that can eventually lead to blindness), diebetic nephropathy (which affects your kidneys and leads to kidney failure), and diabetic neuropathy (which affects any of your nerves). Diabetic retinopathy usually occurs first: it may occur even before a person being diagnosed with diabetes. The treatment is usually photocoagulation (laser to your retina). Diabetic nephropathy usually occurs 10 years from the diagnosis. Blood test for kidney function does not exclude you to have kidney involvement. It is an urine test for microalbumin that tells you so (albulin/protein usually doesn't leak out from urine. The detection of protein in urine indicates your kidney may not be functioning properly). In the early stage of proteinuria (protein in the urine) it is easily reversible by controlling your diabetes. However once blood for kidney function (mainly your urea and creatinine) become abnormal, it will not be reversible. Thus, a good control of your blood sugar is utmost important as kidney faiure is a serious complication which need lifelong dialysis/transplant.

Diabetic neuropathy is also another important complication of diabetes. I'm sure you definitely have heard of a diabetic patient who has a bad wound of his/her leg which eventually need to be amputated. It is actually a manisfestation of diabetes affecting your pain sensation of your foot and toes. Long term uncontrolled blood sugar will definitely damage your nerve endings (receptors). Affected people may not feel any pain when they've injury to their foot/toes. The moment they realized the injury, it has already been infected. Furthermore high blood sugar retards body's white blood cell to fight against infection. Eventually infection won.
Another manifestation of diabetic neuropathy is autonomic neuropathy: your blood pressure may drop when you get up from lying/sitting as a result you may feel dizzy/blackout. You might encounter a silent heart attack. You might get severe vomiting (gastroparesis), difficulty in swallowing or even diarrhoea. You might have erectile dysfunction (your kukubird cannot stand up) if you are a guy, urinary incontinence.

Keto diet may not be sole answer for non-pharmacological (method other than taking medicine) approach to your diabetic control. You will need a proper meal with proper timing. I know it is difficult to comply with diet especially timing. Breakfast is important as it is the main energy source of your day after you have fasted since last meal the night before. Skipping breakfast may not help in your diabetes and may retard your diabetes control. You may try 2 slice of bread (whichever type of bread you like provided no added sugar), any diabetic jam or butter, a cup of milk tea (no sugar) and take your metformin after your breakfast. Try to take your breakfast before 10am.
You can have your lunch at 12pm-2pm. I would advise plate method, i.e. half of your plate is vegetables (green leafy vegetables, and not those fake meat or starchy vegetables), a quater plate of protein (tofu, chicken or any meat), a quater plate for carbohydrates (rice, roti, or noodles). Take vegetables first, then protein and lastly carbohydrate. Vegetable can fill up your stomach first and usually take long time to leave your stomach.
Your dinner should be kept small in portion and should take it early (i.e. not after than 9pm): you don't need so much energy at night and it's sleep time soon. You can take few pieces of biscuits (usually not more than 4), a cup of milk or tea. You may follow the same plate method as your lunch, but definitely much more smaller portion. You should take your metformin after your dinner.
It is okay to take snack between major meals. You can take a piece of medium sized green apple, or 1 slice of bread, or 2 pieces of biscuits. As long as it is no more than a carbohydrate exchange (you can search from web what is a carbohydrate exchange).

You will DEFINITELY need to visit a dietitian to help you out in personalize your diet. (you can request to be referred when you visit your doctor)

Exercise is also very important to control your sugar. It not only uses up the remaining sugar as energy, but also improve your insulin sensitivity. A moderate exercise of 30-60 minutes at least 3 times a week is minimum. Moderate exercise means any exercises which cause you to be a little breathless (but you still can speak in full sentence), and you can feel your heart beating. Sweating is not included in a criteria of moderate exercise. You may jog, run, brisk walk, cycle etc. If you have knee problem, alternatively you may try walking in a swimming pool (water level not higher than your nipple line). Water in the swimming pool may reduce the burden of gravity to your knees.

Finally, I hope you can control your sugar well.
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Thanks for posting here - very informative!

Are you aware of any insulin pumps being available in Malaysia?
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QUOTE(rjb123 @ Mar 31 2017, 12:02 AM)
Thanks for posting here - very informative!

Are you aware of any insulin pumps being available in Malaysia?
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It is available. One of the brand is Medtronic. But I don't have any contact.
You should ask your treating endocrinologist to arrange it for you.

btw, do you really need it?
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post Mar 31 2017, 07:23 PM

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Guys,

Sorry I noticed this posts very late. And my deepest sympathy for those here who are suffering diabetes. I have something to share about this. Now a lot of conventional doctors wont endorse this advice because this was never ever taught as part of their medical education. It is only some unconventional doctors that manage to think or look outside their box that found this discovery.

I'm gonna link a video here that pretty much tells you everything you need to know about diabetes in a simple and easy to understand way. To cut things short, its not carbohydrates and sugars that causes diabetes. Its the other stuff that you eat. Watch the video if you wanna know more:



Please also note that this video is 4 years old but still the approach is still considered new in the medical profession. Old habits die hard. And for doctors, old practice die hard.

The reason why I'm posting this is to give you guys a new approach. Something that is simple. Yet not easy. Because this really is changing your own belief system. A common belief system that doctors knows best. I would like to hear all your feedback on this. Thanks for reading and hope to hear from you all!
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QUOTE(JeweL_ @ Jan 20 2017, 01:47 PM)
hi, please leave my thread.
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U can report that dude. Next time post in serious k. Here a lot of underage immature people who like to troll
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QUOTE(JeweL_ @ Feb 16 2017, 04:13 PM)
Hi guys. Just finish see doctor. She said one month ago when I was newly discovered, my hb1ac is 11.5

Today is 8.8... Kidney, hormones all OK. And changing my metformin to metformin xr.

She say I can finish my current medicine, 2 x 850 in the morning. 1 x 850 in the evening. So after finish this I will eat metformin xr in the morning only.
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In 2009, Biochemistry and Biophysical Research Communications published a study out of Auburn University that explored how supplementing with turmeric can help reverse diabetes.

The study discovered that curcumin in turmeric is literally 400 times more potent than Metformin (a common diabetes drug) in activating AMPK which improves insulin sensitivity which can help reverse Type 2 Diabetes.

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QUOTE(sjr @ Mar 31 2017, 06:52 AM)
It is available. One of the brand is Medtronic. But I don't have any contact.
You should ask your treating endocrinologist to arrange it for you.

btw, do you really need it?
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Will enquire.

I like the idea of it, but no issue staying on injections. I use a CGMS and was looking at exploring the option of CGMS+ pump all in one.
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QUOTE(rjb123 @ Apr 1 2017, 01:44 PM)
Will enquire.

I like the idea of it, but no issue staying on injections. I use a CGMS and was looking at exploring the option of CGMS+ pump all in one.
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It costs near RM20k or even higher.
If you have no issue with injections/labile blood sugar, I suggest you to stay on, unless you are super rich...
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QUOTE(sjr @ Apr 1 2017, 01:57 PM)
It costs near RM20k or even higher.
If you have no issue with injections/labile blood sugar, I suggest you to stay on, unless you are super rich...
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Oh wow that expensive, and I thought CGMS was dear.

Guess I'll leave this idea - 20K is a bit too much!
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QUOTE(rjb123 @ Apr 1 2017, 01:58 PM)
Oh wow that expensive, and I thought CGMS was dear.

Guess I'll leave this idea - 20K is a bit too much!
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You still can try your luck to get quotation for the machine.
Who knows you're lucky getting a cheaper one...
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QUOTE(sjr @ Apr 1 2017, 02:04 PM)
You still can try your luck to get quotation for the machine.
Who knows you're lucky getting a cheaper one...
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I'll ask next appointment, unlikely though - being non Malaysian and without insurance everything is out of pocket, no subsidised insulin etc.
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QUOTE(rjb123 @ Apr 1 2017, 02:05 PM)
I'll ask next appointment, unlikely though - being non Malaysian and without insurance everything is out of pocket, no subsidised insulin etc.
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Oh, you are not Malaysian...
How 'bout getting it from your original country then?
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QUOTE(sjr @ Apr 1 2017, 02:09 PM)
Oh, you are not Malaysian...
How 'bout getting it from your original country then?
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In UK you get any diabetes related items for free (Insulin, needles, test strips etc.) but that's only valid if you live and pay taxes in UK (which I don't)

CGMS can be bought normally, so I send supplies over from UK myself.
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QUOTE(rjb123 @ Apr 1 2017, 02:31 PM)
In UK you get any diabetes related items for free (Insulin, needles, test strips etc.) but that's only valid if you live and pay taxes in UK (which I don't)

CGMS can be bought normally, so I send supplies over from UK myself.
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Ouch!
Alternatively, you can try asking if your company that you are working with could subsidise some.
Malaysians do get free insulin, but only those regular ones. Insulin analogues e.g. Glargine or Aspart are difficult to get - they are endocrinologist item, i.e. they can only be prescribed by endocrinologist provided the quota isn't full. If the quota is full, sorry, you will still have to use your own money to buy them yourself.
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QUOTE(sjr @ Apr 1 2017, 03:13 PM)
Ouch!
Alternatively, you can try asking if your company that you are working with could subsidise some.
Malaysians do get free insulin, but only those regular ones. Insulin analogues e.g. Glargine or Aspart are difficult to get - they are endocrinologist item, i.e. they can only be prescribed by endocrinologist provided the quota isn't full. If the quota is full, sorry, you will still have to use your own money to buy them yourself.
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I'm employed under my own company, so that's a no go.

I use Levemir / Novorapid same as I did in the UK - just buying from pharmacies here as prescription isn't needed. Test strips I still buy in bulk UK and DHL them over as they work out cheaper (and CGMS supplies, not available here)

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Hi TS,

Sorry for you, but i have few friends and relative who suffer diabetes type 2 too.

Many of them gone through terrible experience with drugs, tho it could control your diabetes.

One of them actually tried Atkins Diet, and ever since then his insulin is in stable mode, never depend on the medicine anymore and live his life like a normal person.

So i told some of my friends and relative and few of them did tried and are having a positive result.

http://www.diabetes.co.uk/diet/atkins-diet.html

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