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 T8 Fluorescent LED Tube Light replacement, Retrofitting LED tube to existing casing

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SUSlurkingaround
post Nov 17 2019, 06:32 PM

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Just installed 4 feet LED T8 tube lights = 24W/7000K = brighter than old 36W fluoro lights = no hurt eyes reading on white paper. Cost me RM15 per set, ie tube and bracket, from nearby hardware store = no need ballast and starter.

Anyone know how to wire up 2 separate LED lights, eg for a large living room.?
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post Nov 17 2019, 09:26 PM

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QUOTE(sgpdsmss @ Nov 17 2019, 07:48 PM)
now got 7000k ? i just know 6500k only ..
can share some photo ?

thanks ..
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https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32797464152.html

Sorry, only got a possible link, no photos because too much of a hassle to post one here.

An electrical lighting shop nearby my house also got sell 4-feet LED T8 frosted tube lights rated at 30W/7000K for the same price of RM15 per set = very bright because inside got more individual LED bulbs = consume more electricity.
....... Also got 22W/6500K ones for RM10 per set but not as bright as the 24W/7000K ones. You may also be able to buy clear tube ones = but the LED bulbs are glaring to the eyes if at 7000K brightness.

I also bought 2-feet 11W/6500K ones for the bathrooms. Same price of RM15 per set.

So, I recommend either 24W/7000K or 30W/7000K frosted tube ones for large rooms like living room, kitchen and bedrooms.. For a normal living room, 6500K not bright enough.
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post Nov 18 2019, 10:00 AM

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QUOTE(sgpdsmss @ Nov 18 2019, 08:17 AM)
current using Philip 20w 2.1k lum 6.5k for outside ..
wonder 7k can be brightness ?do  you know the lumin measurement ?

btw..how do you input the AC voltage ?the Philip one a bit special compare those China tube .

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It's 1920 Lumen for the 24W/7000K LED light.

I think both Lumen and Kelvin can be for brightness/whiteness, eg no point having 2000 Lumen(= very bright) at 3000K(= yellow light) if you want full white brightness. ....... https://www.earthled.com/blogs/led-lighting...lvins-and-watts - What is the difference between Lumens, Kelvins and Watts?

The included bracket for the LED tube light has 2 electrical wire connectors from the 2 end-holders of the tube, for connection to the Live and Neutral wires coming out of the ceiling or wall. The wire connections are reversible, ie you can connect the L & N wires either way, to complete the circuit.
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post Nov 18 2019, 10:26 AM

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QUOTE(sgpdsmss @ Nov 18 2019, 10:08 AM)
24w produce 1920 lumen ...the covered area still smaller than the Philip 20w 2100lumen? or IM wrong ?

for Philip one ...1 wire connect to left side ...1wire connect to right side ...instead of 2 end holder ...

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Your Philips 2100 Lumen light is likely brighter but my Wurui 7000K light is whiter.

Also, my Wurui 24W light has more LED bulbs inside = this may mean that my Wurui light is overall brighter and whiter than your Philips light.

I could have gone for the even brighter 30W/7000K light but preferred not to consume more electricity since the 24W/7000K light was already bright enough for my living room. Similarly, no point putting the same bright light in my small 7' X 5' bathroom = I used the 2-feet 11W/6500K light.

It still boils down to personal preference.
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post Nov 18 2019, 12:47 PM

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ozak

I asked the electrical lighting shopkeeper why the 30W/7000K light is brighter than the 24W/7000K light.? He answered that there are more LED bulbs inside the 30W/7000K light = consumes more electricity but brighter. It's not because it is less power efficient in terms of Lumen per Watt.

Please have a look at the individual bulbs(its number can vary) inside the Clear-type LED T8 tube lights at this link .......
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32797464152.html
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post Nov 18 2019, 01:49 PM

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QUOTE(sgpdsmss @ Nov 18 2019, 01:31 PM)
brighter and whiteer....but the area covered better than 2100 lumem?

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When choosing an LED frosted tube light, I think we need to look at all 3 ratings of Wattage(= number of LED bulbs inside), Lumen(= brightness) and Kelvin(= whiteness).

To light up a large room at night, we should go for high Wattage, Lumen and Kelvin. Which high combination of W/L/K is up to personal preference. In my case, I prefer 24W/1920L/7000K lights for my living room. You prefer 20W/2100L/6500K for your porch. Others may prefer different highness combination.
...... Of course, it is not advisable to go for a low W/L/K combination for a large room/area, eg avoid 18W/1600L/3000K lights.
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post Nov 18 2019, 02:46 PM

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ozak

The Chinese coffee-shops that I often go to, all use bright/white/high Wattage/Lumen/Kelvin 4-feet LED T8 frosted tube lights, ie not low W/L/3500K lights.

7000K lights are not glaring as long as you do not look directly at them for more than a second or 2. I think the 3500K or below yellow-white or not-so-bright/white lights are more for a dimly-lit romantic setting.

Previously, I changed all my 18W 4-feet fluoroscent tube lights in my house to 36W ones for more brightness. The 18W ones were installed by an electrical contractor many years ago.
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post Nov 18 2019, 08:32 PM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Nov 18 2019, 01:53 PM)
Yup. it will be more widen and further. But the small number different will not give you much judge. But will have different when few yrs time usage.

When I install the philip 20W led and compare the old Fluro, I can see the old fluro shine further or cover wider area. Old T8 fluro have a higher lumens.

Even the Philip LED look whiter, it doesn't cover wider area.

You have to step back further where your eye can see the whole area in order to compare the brightness. Or if you have the light/Lumens meter to check.
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Fluorescent lights are omnidirectional. Omnidirectional lights produce light in 360 degrees. This is a large system inefficiency because at least half of the light needs to be reflected and redirected to the desired area being illuminated. The need for reflection and redirection of light means that the output is much less efficient for omnidirectional lights due to losses than it would be for the same light if it were directional by its nature. It also means that more accessory parts are required in the light fixture itself in order to reflect or focus the luminous output of the bulb (thus increasing unit costs).

LEDs are extremely energy efficient relative to every other commercially available lighting technology. There are several reasons for this to include the fact they waste very little energy in the form of infrared radiation (much different than most conventional lights to include fluorescent lights), and they emit light directionally (over 180 degrees versus 360 degrees which means there are far fewer losses from the need to redirect or reflect light).

https://www.stouchlighting.com/blog/fluores...t-vs-led-vs-cfl

For my large living room(22' X 75' link house), I have to install two 4-feet LED T8 24W/7000K/1920L frosted tube lights to cover it with enough brightness and whiteness. One light, no matter the highest W/K/L, whether LED or fluorescent, is not enough to cover the whole of my living room.
....... For my bedroom, one such light is enough to cover it with sufficient brightness and whiteness. For my small bathroom, one 2-feet LED T8 11W/6500K frosted tube light is enough.
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post Nov 19 2019, 10:08 AM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Nov 19 2019, 08:51 AM)
I not sure what age are you. But have you notice that, older people have problem seeing in dark or at night ?

They often complain that the place is too dark. While the young said it's fine?

That is the problem when you constantly expose to light too bright and glare.

Especially now 6500k is not enough for people. That is some alarming problem coming.

What happen if people chasing till 7500k or 8000k ?

3500k or yellow light is not dimly lit. Yellow light can be very bright if the lumens is high. Again don't confuse between bright and color or Lumens and kelvin.

Have you use before downlight bulb CFL which is 3500k 1600L ? If you use before, you know how bright that yellow CFL bulb.  

Do you know light color have wavelenght? Why street light or your car head light is yellow? Why all the car brand don't put a 7000k head light?
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Most Chinese coffee-shops use bright white LED T8 tube lights and they cater to both the young and old.

Most highways use bright white LED streetlights.

Bright white 7000K LED car headlights cannot be used because they are glaring to the eyes of drivers of oncoming cars at night, which is unavoidable, ie the drivers have to look directly at the bright white 7000K car headlights for more than 2 seconds and be glared or blinded.
....... At home, residents do not have to look directly at the bright white 7000K LED T8 frosted tube lights for more than 2 seconds and be glared or blinded. Similarly for the difference between looking directly at the sun for more than 2 seconds and looking indirectly at things down here on earth that are being illuminated by the bright and white sunlight during the day.
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post Nov 19 2019, 05:33 PM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Nov 19 2019, 11:23 AM)
Brought in US. Use in US home.
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You are posting from USA.?
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post Nov 19 2019, 05:40 PM

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QUOTE(sgpdsmss @ Nov 19 2019, 10:12 AM)
haha..truth also ...not every day activity at outside house ..
its OK for my current Philip 20W tube ...
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haha ... I occasionally use LED torchlight outside the house at night = no need 20W LED T8 tube light. *sarcasm*
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This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Nov 19 2019, 08:12 PM

 

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