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 T8 Fluorescent LED Tube Light replacement, Retrofitting LED tube to existing casing

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brutus
post May 17 2021, 12:50 PM

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Basically there are 2 types of T8 LED Tube in the market:
1) Single Ended
2) Double Ended

All Philips/LEDVANCE (OSRAM)/GE/OPPLE (1 of the series) are single ended.
Most if not all China branded LED Tubes are double ended.
Both requires slightly different wiring.
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post May 17 2021, 02:44 PM

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QUOTE(sgpdsmss @ May 17 2021, 10:11 AM)
does it more brighter compare to philip ecofit 20w?

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Getting LEDs, do not refer the Power Ratings (W). Focus on the lumens output instead.
Eg Philips ECOFit comes in 2 different package. Using 4' as as example:

1) Standard Output- 18W = 1,800 lumen
2) High Output- 20W = 2,100 lumen

There are some more higher end models under the Master series:

1) Standard Output- 10.5W = 1,600 lumen
2) High Output- 14W = 2,100 lumen

The Master series are rated for 50K Hrs lifespan.
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post May 17 2021, 02:45 PM

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QUOTE(sgpdsmss @ May 17 2021, 01:52 PM)
how to differentiate single ended vs double ended without seeing the brand ?
china tube just tube only no showing wiring diagram i think ...

thanks ..
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You can see how the connection are made to the tube. Double ended T8 LED tubes have L and N on opposite ends.
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post May 17 2021, 09:33 PM

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QUOTE(sgpdsmss @ May 17 2021, 06:52 PM)
still cannot know single ended or double ended if no marking L and N
previously using philip ecofit 20 ..should be 2100 lumen ..
still felt not brighten...
plan to get those china 30w led tube ..supposed should be brighter?
dismantle the end cap to see either single ended or double ended connection ?
mostly tube no marking L and N on the end cap right ..
thanks ...
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China 30W? What is the lumen output?
If not sufficient why not go for those 2x fittings?

Most if not all China rated lumen output drops significantly after 1-2 months of use. Just visit any Mr. DIY shops and you will know what I mean.
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post May 17 2021, 09:51 PM

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QUOTE(sgpdsmss @ May 17 2021, 09:42 PM)
mine no indication the wiring diagram..
it's say 2500 lumen ..

2x fitting ...if 1tube 20w total will be 40w...

this 30w RM10 per tube ..
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I will take their specifications with a pinch of salt.
If you have a lux meter only you can tell whether it is degraded (less lumen output) over time.

Your choice, I will always stay clear of these "overclaimed" specifications and stick with reputable brands.
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post May 18 2021, 08:31 AM

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QUOTE(sgpdsmss @ May 17 2021, 10:08 PM)
i no have lux meter..
how long can be degraded?

reputable brand like philip?
1pc philip ecofit 20w down in 2years time ..
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Reputable brands like Philips/LEDVANCE(OSRAM)/GE have at least 2 if not 3 ranges:

1. Consumer (10-15KHrs)
2. Retail/Commercial (20-30KHrs)
3. Professional (>50KHrs)

Only specialize shops can you find option 2 and 3. All shops you can find option 1 (which is fine for most application).
For me my own home, I always go for option 2 or 3 series and skip as much as possible option 1 as I am very lazy to change the tubes/bulbs and I intend to stay in my house long term.
Rule of thumb for most residential we use a 6Hrs utilization per day.
Hence Philips ECOFit (15KHrs) is supposed to last about 7yrs.

Reputable brands follow a L70B50 specifications, meaning to say even an ECOFit is rated 15KHrs, the lumen output cannot drop more than 30% of the rated output. Otherwise it is considered to be "faulty" even though the entire tube is lit up.

Try asking China brand for L70B50 specs!
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post May 18 2021, 11:55 AM

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QUOTE(ozak @ May 18 2021, 08:52 AM)
2500/30 = 83L/watt.

2100/20 = 105L/watt

Look like Philip more efficiency per watt lumens deliver.

My office is using ecofit for 3yrs already. Not much lumens reduce.

My home also using ecofit. Replace the old T8. Lumens reduce to compare.
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Yes, using lumen/W is a more accurate measurement of any LED light.
Latest model of Philips Master series only requires 12.5W to produce 2,100 lumen (168 lm/W).
Even the recently soon to be phased out 14W is rated 150lm/W.
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post May 18 2021, 11:57 AM

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QUOTE(sgpdsmss @ May 18 2021, 10:12 AM)
could be installed in shower room to shortage the life spend?
your office is under air-conditioning environment...so may last longer ?

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As long as the ambient temperature is lower. the lifespan of any LED is longer.
Anyhow, Philips LED are rated for their system lifespan. Some brands quote 50KHrs but is actually the LED chip lifespan and not system (with driver/Power supply).
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post May 18 2021, 01:45 PM

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QUOTE(sgpdsmss @ May 18 2021, 01:05 PM)
yours so tahan...
what's the price for philip master series ?
mine ecofit ....1 long tube separate into 3 parts ...1st part initially keep flicking ..after some time 1st part become black ...2nd part ..3rd part still light up ...after few days llater 2nd part black out ..leave 3Rd part ...after again ...whole tube black out ....
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Philips Master usually around RM 50++. I have been using them since the days it was 16W, then upgrade to 14W and now 12.5W. All also 2,100lm for 4' model.
Problem is my 16W not spoiled yet after 6 years in use. whistling.gif
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post Dec 19 2022, 10:07 AM

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QUOTE(sgpdsmss @ Oct 7 2021, 08:10 AM)
single sided = all china tubes .

double sided = philip ecofit tube n others brand.

am i rite?

single sided cannot reverse meaning the tube will only light up in 1 direction depend on which side is L?

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It is the other way round.
China Tubes = Double Sided
Philips/OSRAM/GE = Single Sided

Single sided tubes can also be reversed if the wiring is done right.
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post Dec 19 2022, 10:09 AM

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QUOTE(jackbanner @ Dec 18 2022, 06:19 PM)
Can I use a single sided led T8 to double end T8 casing?
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Short answer, NO.
If you are a bit more DIY person, YES. Just need to add 1 wire to the double ended casing.

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post Dec 19 2022, 02:23 PM

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QUOTE(sgpdsmss @ Dec 19 2022, 10:16 AM)
single sided i meant use only 1pin each end of the tube pin
china tube just need 1pin wire from left and right
double sided ...need use 2pins each end of the tube ...
philip ecofit ..1pin wire from left to right and 1more wire shorted from left and right ..

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OIC. Usually in my line the single or double sided are referred to the T8 tubes itself and not the casing.

 

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